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Days

Commentator
so, c'mon, 4/15, tell us... what's so funny
jump in the big rope - let's dance, let's skip rope, stay in time
bring it, babe!
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So freedom of speech is causing you to all the problems?
You know, I thought about titling this thread "THIS IS TYRANNY!!"

Personally, I'm happy as a pig in mud, sitting home and getting paid to hang around PJ and entertain the place. You won't see me in the capitol (Springfield) protesting. All the protests are being organized by the GOP, I'm sure you are aware... and here's a shocker, I'm a Democrat. But I'm a radical far left progressive, damn near a revolutionary, it would be okay with me if you call me a radical progressive revolutionary... the shoe fits.
But while my politics are mostly liberal, my economics are just as radical progressive conservative; I'm a Marxist capitalist; and that's not an oxymoron, Marx was a capitalist.
So the deal is, I want to see progressive changes to the budget and money system... but I want to see those changes made in the system we have, through the system we have.

I agree with the need for a new political party as the 2 we have are toooooootally corrupt and the other 2 are not changing anything.


problem is, the next new political party in America (it is happening this year) - which is mostly composed of the huge fallout from Bernie's revolution - hasn't sought advice from Eat the Rich or Days, so as yet, they are on a political mission that has no vision for fixing the nation's money. They think they are, but they need to be taught a higher vision.

so wait, what was the question again?

Is freedom of speech causing me to create all these problems for you? It was, and I hope it continues to do that, I hope they don't shut us all up. If we lose our freedom of speech, it is game over. You don't want to live in that world. That's why we guard our freedoms, they are very, very precious, and we don't want to let anyone take them away.
 

4/15

Mayor
You are not causing me any problems but the shelter in place is not a loss of freedom of speech. As stated in the preamble to the constitution 'We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 

Days

Commentator
You are not causing me any problems but the shelter in place is not a loss of freedom of speech. As stated in the preamble to the constitution 'We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Well, the idea of sheltering in place as a voluntary public health precaution has nothing to do with free speech. But when certain Governors sought to enforce it by law, they published edicts that stepped all over our freedom of speech. Point blank you have the right to assemble for worship in the church or shrine of your choice. That is written directly in the Amendment. And yet, these Governors point blank made it illegal to assemble for worship. It could not be more cut and dry. Would you believe that pastors who resisted the illegal order have been arrested, their places of worship vandalized, windows have been shot out, and whole structures burned to the ground? It is like the Jewish holocaust. And you wrote that there's no loss of freedom?
 
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In all this craziness of this shut down, there is something that somehow remains fuzzy, something just isn't right, and no one is saying it out loud, we are getting snookered, and we know it, but we can't figure out exactly how. So let me say this straight out. This shut down is flat out illegal, it is point blank against the Constitution, it is outright tyranny, and it is our patriotic duty to revolt against it.

The Constitution was amended with this writ of rights that came straight from France. We have Robes Pierre - of all people - to thank for our Bill of Rights. Who was Robes Pierre? He was the world's first terrorist. Robes Pierre terrorized the nation of France to force it to give up their king and accept the new republic. In so doing, he wrote the people a list of rights they would enjoy under the new republic. A politician's politician, you might say.

Now the very first right of the people living under the republic - and therefore the most important right we have - is the right to free speech; this includes freedom of the press and freedom to assemble for purposes of worship or to protest the government. All of that is your freedom of speech.

When we sing "land of the freeeeeeeeee" ... we are singing about the first Amendment. When we sing, "I'm proud to be an American, where, at least, I know I'm free..." we are singing about the first Amendment prohibiting Congress from making any law that takes away our freedom of speech.

Government can not take away our freedom in this republic. The republic was set up under the strict prohibition of making any law that takes away our freedom; IOW, if some Governor proclaims he/she has outlawed your freedom for any reason, that Governor is no longer a Governor, he/she has zero authority the moment he/she does that, because he/she has gone outside of the republic, where he/she is just another blow hard, all the authority of being a Governor is contained within the Constitution and their abiding within that framework of law. That's why they take an oath of office to defend the Constitution, not defend their political party, not defend the people, but defend the Constitution... all the power of their office is given by the Constitution.

So, this is an illegal lock down and we the people are not under any such law, this is the equivalent of a military officer giving an illegal order in the field, you actually are in trouble if you obey that order, we are not supposed to carry out illegal orders. Now the corner grocery store can legally require me to wear a mask if I want to shop there, that is their prerogative, but the Governor can not order me to stay at home or not go to church or not protest his tyrannical edicts. In Illinois, the county sheriffs are refusing to carry out the Governor's illegal orders, they do that because they understand better than to carry out illegal commands. It is a sad state of affairs that the common people do not have that understanding, but we are starting to figure it out.

The con job is the use of the pandemic as a state of emergency and the strange act of trying to place a quarantine on healthy people. Already something should not feel right about that. But it doesn't matter what the real death rate is or whether hospitals are over whelmed with patients, none of that matters, the government can not tread on the first Amendment for any reason and not for any amount of time. The Amendment prohibits the emergence of a law that takes away our freedom, let alone allowing such a law to emerge, take hold, and take away our freedoms for a specific amount of time. The moment the Governor of Illinois announced his lock down and stay at home order was the moment he stepped outside the Constitution and his oath to defend it and until he returns to that, he is not my Governor, he is just another pretender to power that he doesn't have. We the people should ignore him and we are slowly realizing that.

This is cut and dry tyranny. What is tyranny? That's when your Governor attempts to take away your freedom, that's what tyranny means. This is not tolerable, not for one moment in time, not ever for any reason, it is prohibited under the first Amendment, and it is absolute, it is not okay for this to happen, do not allow these pretenders to tread on your freedom, they have no authority whatsoever to do that.
Though constitutionally you have always had freedom of speech, in theory, I know that it was not always so, in practice, for public opinion and or even the gun all through the Vietnam years dictated what people could and could not safely say. That I know from personal experience and yet; in 1968-69 while that war was still raging 100 thousand people in the US died of a flu ( Hong Kong flu it was named). Nothing was closed down and no-one was told to shut up about it, the flu, and 400 thousand people gathered in one place for WoodStock.

What I mean to say is that you are being romantic about your Constitution for by my own observations your freedoms exist only where the true powers that be allow them to exist and disappear where said powers wish them to die. Be it war, economic manipulation and or now sickness that those powers deem their profits to be, Planned ingrained ignorance ( via education) means that those who are aware of the importance of them must say goodbye to all freedoms or be damned one way or another.

Not only in America though Days, if Rick thinks that he can take off and travel the world freely he is in for a shock, The whole of the so called free world is in lockdown. The Islamic world is not and two African countries have rejected it too but then this is not about government this is by the dictate of the true powers that be ----- So who are these powers who can now dictate that the whole world must stay shut up in their homes in the Springtime? That is the question for until we can see plainly who the enemy is we have no hope of fighting them.
 
Carrying on from what I was saying above :-


and from that take a look at how much of our taxes ( yours and mine) is syphoned off for Charities and Foundations ( I don't know the actual figures but from the few I know about they must be humongous). I ask why? How on earth has it come about that so much of our taxes go into profit making ( for the few) wars, profit making ( for the few) 'sickness making' business and so on,
 

Days

Commentator
Though constitutionally you have always had freedom of speech, in theory, I know that it was not always so, in practice, for public opinion and or even the gun all through the Vietnam years dictated what people could and could not safely say. That I know from personal experience and yet; in 1968-69 while that war was still raging 100 thousand people in the US died of a flu ( Hong Kong flu it was named). Nothing was closed down and no-one was told to shut up about it, the flu, and 400 thousand people gathered in one place for WoodStock.

What I mean to say is that you are being romantic about your Constitution for by my own observations your freedoms exist only where the true powers that be allow them to exist and disappear where said powers wish them to die. Be it war, economic manipulation and or now sickness that those powers deem their profits to be, Planned ingrained ignorance ( via education) means that those who are aware of the importance of them must say goodbye to all freedoms or be damned one way or another.

Not only in America though Days, if Rick thinks that he can take off and travel the world freely he is in for a shock, The whole of the so called free world is in lockdown. The Islamic world is not and two African countries have rejected it too but then this is not about government this is by the dictate of the true powers that be ----- So who are these powers who can now dictate that the whole world must stay shut up in their homes in the Springtime? That is the question for until we can see plainly who the enemy is we have no hope of fighting them.
Carrying on from what I was saying above :-


and from that take a look at how much of our taxes ( yours and mine) is syphoned off for Charities and Foundations ( I don't know the actual figures but from the few I know about they must be humongous). I ask why? How on earth has it come about that so much of our taxes go into profit making ( for the few) wars, profit making ( for the few) 'sickness making' business and so on,
It boils down to how the money is created and distributed. To pretend that there is no cabal running that show is ludicrous. One man - Nathan Rothschild - was able to gain control over the entire Bank of England. One man - Peabody - became his front man in the United States. And from that, the US network of railways was created and eventually, the Federal Reserve. There was 13 banking families that banded together and built the global central banking network; now run by the World Bank. And they control the money, they create the money and they distribute the money, it is their money, that's why 100 years ago people commonly referred to it as "jewish money" ... these central banks have stock holders, which is to say, somebody owns them. Which is to say, somebody owns the currency, we are all trading with their money.

If you even so much as point at it, you get attacked. The World Bank created the World Health Organization - same people on both board of directors - so here we go again, it is the same line of globalists, the same cabal running the show, doing the same thing they have been doing for 250 years or more. Hidden in plain sight.

So what do we have here? A forum for political talk. Okay, then you would think everyone would be interested in who is running these political parties, right? Shouldn't the puppeteers be so much more interesting than the puppets? (Look at my signature line) Shouldn't political hacks all be talking about the money? After all, it is the money that decides which politics are employed; why blather on about politics if you don't care about how they are run? We have talked to these people about following the money for two decades now and they plainly do not care for going there... they only want to fawn over the puppets, as if the puppets were real people and not mere marionettes dancing on bankers' purse strings.
 

Days

Commentator
You are not causing me any problems but the shelter in place is not a loss of freedom of speech. As stated in the preamble to the constitution 'We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
So what does it mean? ... in order to promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity ... are the founders tossing out an oxymoron? Does promoting general welfare go against securing to ourselves and our kids the blessings of liberty? Absolutely not, those two ideas go hand in hand. Your general welfare isn't very good if it doesn't include being free.

Stop and think about that for a moment. Our founders wrote the Constitution in order to secure the blessings of liberty to themselves and to their children. It was the purpose for forming the government. Not just obtain the blessings of liberty, but secure those blessings, lock them down, as in, make them inalienable rights under the new government. See the progression of thought? Jefferson wrote the declaration of Independence based upon the British had trampled God-given rights that government can not take from people, because government has no say over those rights, the blessings of liberty are given to us by God, so government has no say in the matter, government that doesn't recognize that must be overthrown, so that is why we are revolting against the British, to get rid of tyrannical government... and that being achieved, the same leaders sat down to form a new government that will now secure the blessings of liberty forever. See the progression of thought?

So, the Senator of Maryland just explained that his state is extending the revoking of the blessings of liberty because of the state of the virus. I don't care what his reason is for extending tyranny, this government was formed in the first place for the express purpose of securing those blessings of liberty from would-be tyrannical leaders like him and his state's governor..
 
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It boils down to how the money is created and distributed. To pretend that there is no cabal running that show is ludicrous. One man - Nathan Rothschild - was able to gain control over the entire Bank of England. One man - Peabody - became his front man in the United States. And from that, the US network of railways was created and eventually, the Federal Reserve. There was 13 banking families that banded together and built the global central banking network; now run by the World Bank. And they control the money, they create the money and they distribute the money, it is their money, that's why 100 years ago people commonly referred to it as "jewish money" ... these central banks have stock holders, which is to say, somebody owns them. Which is to say, somebody owns the currency, we are all trading with their money.

If you even so much as point at it, you get attacked. The World Bank created the World Health Organization - same people on both board of directors - so here we go again, it is the same line of globalists, the same cabal running the show, doing the same thing they have been doing for 250 years or more. Hidden in plain sight.

So what do we have here? A forum for political talk. Okay, then you would think everyone would be interested in who is running these political parties, right? Shouldn't the puppeteers be so much more interesting than the puppets? (Look at my signature line) Shouldn't political hacks all be talking about the money? After all, it is the money that decides which politics are employed; why blather on about politics if you don't care about how they are run? We have talked to these people about following the money for two decades now and they plainly do not care for going there... they only want to fawn over the puppets, as if the puppets were real people and not mere marionettes dancing on bankers' purse strings.
Why? Because of: Who informs them plus a pettiness of character, perhaps, or fear of looking because they fear they couldn't cope with the truth, it being too big, and or they are innocents and or ............... somehow being to do with us being tribal animals.

Every Thursday at 8 pm I am startled by a strange noise. It takes me a second or two to register that it is the whole village standing outside their doors clapping and bashing saucepan lids together and yelling yeh and whoopi at the top of their silly voices in support of the NHS!!!!! ( The hospitals are empty! The GPs are not working-If one is lucky one can get a telephone appointment) I've been so incensed by it, a couple of times, when sitting quietly in my garden, that I've automatically shouted mild abuse their way but really, really, what is the use? They are innocents who when I say that it is all BS and only about money, when passing the time of day, they look nonplussed. Even if they do actually agree few have voiced their disquiet for few have even heard another point of view since the Telly now is simply a brainwashing machine. We can voice our thoughts in here, thank God, you are right in that Days, which if nothing else helps us clarify said thoughts and in our own cases not feel totally alone in the mad world which is definitely getting madder by the second. ,

I'm just going to spend my time in my garden now and I have taken up orchid growing inside whilst waiting this one out. The prevailing insanity is a monster that for the moment cannot be vanquished - we must bide our time, me thinks.
 

Bernard_Fokke

Captain Fokke
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Why? Because of: Who informs them plus a pettiness of character, perhaps, or fear of looking because they fear they couldn't cope with the truth, it being too big, and or they are innocents and or ............... somehow being to do with us being tribal animals.

Every Thursday at 8 pm I am startled by a strange noise. It takes me a second or two to register that it is the whole village standing outside their doors clapping and bashing saucepan lids together and yelling yeh and whoopi at the top of their silly voices in support of the NHS!!!!! ( The hospitals are empty! The GPs are not working-If one is lucky one can get a telephone appointment) I've been so incensed by it, a couple of times, when sitting quietly in my garden, that I've automatically shouted mild abuse their way but really, really, what is the use? They are innocents who when I say that it is all BS and only about money, when passing the time of day, they look nonplussed. Even if they do actually agree few have voiced their disquiet for few have even heard another point of view since the Telly now is simply a brainwashing machine. We can voice our thoughts in here, thank God, you are right in that Days, which if nothing else helps us clarify said thoughts and in our own cases not feel totally alone in the mad world which is definitely getting madder by the second. ,

I'm just going to spend my time in my garden now and I have taken up orchid growing inside whilst waiting this one out. The prevailing insanity is a monster that for the moment cannot be vanquished - we must bide our time, me thinks.
Pictures of the orchids would be nice, growing them successfully is quite the accomplishment.
 

Days

Commentator
Why? Because of: Who informs them plus a pettiness of character, perhaps, or fear of looking because they fear they couldn't cope with the truth, it being too big, and or they are innocents and or ............... somehow being to do with us being tribal animals.

Every Thursday at 8 pm I am startled by a strange noise. It takes me a second or two to register that it is the whole village standing outside their doors clapping and bashing saucepan lids together and yelling yeh and whoopi at the top of their silly voices in support of the NHS!!!!! ( The hospitals are empty! The GPs are not working-If one is lucky one can get a telephone appointment) I've been so incensed by it, a couple of times, when sitting quietly in my garden, that I've automatically shouted mild abuse their way but really, really, what is the use? They are innocents who when I say that it is all BS and only about money, when passing the time of day, they look nonplussed. Even if they do actually agree few have voiced their disquiet for few have even heard another point of view since the Telly now is simply a brainwashing machine. We can voice our thoughts in here, thank God, you are right in that Days, which if nothing else helps us clarify said thoughts and in our own cases not feel totally alone in the mad world which is definitely getting madder by the second. ,

I'm just going to spend my time in my garden now and I have taken up orchid growing inside whilst waiting this one out. The prevailing insanity is a monster that for the moment cannot be vanquished - we must bide our time, me thinks.
This is the simple reality: government does what money tells them to do. Government does not give a damn about the health and welfare of the people, the people get the government that the globalists want them to get. It has nothing to do with a virus or any other issue, the issues are not their main concern, the issues are thrown out primarily as excuses for taking a course of action outlined for government by the globalists.

follow the money... because that is what is leading us....
 
Pictures of the orchids would be nice, growing them successfully is quite the accomplishment.
Well - I will take some when I can find all of the little wire things to put pics on my computer but I have only just started this new adventure. Give me time.

A friend gave me a little orchid about three years ago and I do not know how the poor little thing has survived but it has. It was so sad though that I finally did some serious research, on youtube ;). I came across full water culture for orchids. I watched video after video late into every night and I was hooked. From poor one, who is still with us but not done anything yet ( Phalaenopsis are slow) I now have ummmm seven more and another on the way - Saturday mornings I spend mixing their brew of calcium and nitrate and magnesium and epsom salt and ect. The rest of the week I try to ignore them but to top up those that are heavy boozers.
 
This is the simple reality: government does what money tells them to do. Government does not give a damn about the health and welfare of the people, the people get the government that the globalists want them to get. It has nothing to do with a virus or any other issue, the issues are not their main concern, the issues are thrown out primarily as excuses for taking a course of action outlined for government by the globalists.

follow the money... because that is what is leading us....
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes". Benjamin Disraeli
 

Days

Commentator
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes". Benjamin Disraeli
exactly, and it is that disconnect that gives us Senators saying things like, "the lock down is extended in Maryland because of the state of the virus"... as if the two had anything in common; there is no excuse for tyranny. But these government leaders are so used to tossing out the issues as excuses for their actions, they don't even think twice about it.

And their actions never redress the issue(s) used as an excuse for their enacting their governing. In this case, the lock-down is doing nothing whatsoever to hinder the virus; the hot spot exploded in Maryland during the lock-down. so it obviously isn't working. But the Senator couldn't care less that what he is saying makes no sense, it is business as usual, just toss out the issue as an excuse for the action. It doesn't make sense, and no one cares that it doesn't make sense, the whores take their bribes and shovel the BS, and laugh all the way to the bank. The capitol building is a theater, a puppet show for the people... and the political theater must go on.

Hidden in plain sight... watch Friday morning's show and notice at the 4 minute mark where Krystal says, "I don't think the donors would allow it" ... who are the donors? She calls them the "corporatists" which is the hip term now for globalists.

Krystal and Saagar: Biden team floats 'Snow Woman' Amy Klobuchar as VP
86,180 views
•Premiered May 22, 2020
 
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exactly, and it is that disconnect that gives us Senators saying things like, "the lock down is extended in Maryland because of the state of the virus"... as if the two had anything in common; there is no excuse for tyranny. But these government leaders are so used to tossing out the issues as excuses for their actions, they don't even think twice about it.

And their actions never redress the issue(s) used as an excuse for their enacting their governing. In this case, the lock-down is doing nothing whatsoever to hinder the virus; the hot spot exploded in Maryland during the lock-down. so it obviously isn't working. But the Senator couldn't care less that what he is saying makes no sense, it is business as usual, just toss out the issue as an excuse for the action. It doesn't make sense, and no one cares that it doesn't make sense, the whores take their bribes and shovel the BS, and laugh all the way to the bank. The capitol building is a theater, a puppet show for the people... and the political theater must go on.
Politicians are just one part of an unsatisfactory sandwich filling. All parts of the filling being vacuums.
 

4/15

Mayor
So what does it mean? ... in order to promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity ... are the founders tossing out an oxymoron? Does promoting general welfare go against securing to ourselves and our kids the blessings of liberty? Absolutely not, those two ideas go hand in hand. Your general welfare isn't very good if it doesn't include being free.

Stop and think about that for a moment. Our founders wrote the Constitution in order to secure the blessings of liberty to themselves and to their children. It was the purpose for forming the government. Not just obtain the blessings of liberty, but secure those blessings, lock them down, as in, make them inalienable rights under the new government. See the progression of thought? Jefferson wrote the declaration of Independence based upon the British had trampled God-given rights that government can not take from people, because government has no say over those rights, the blessings of liberty are given to us by God, so government has no say in the matter, government that doesn't recognize that must be overthrown, so that is why we are revolting against the British, to get rid of tyrannical government... and that being achieved, the same leaders sat down to form a new government that will now secure the blessings of liberty forever. See the progression of thought?

So, the Senator of Maryland just explained that his state is extending the revoking of the blessings of liberty because of the state of the virus. I don't care what his reason is for extending tyranny, this government was formed in the first place for the express purpose of securing those blessings of liberty from would-be tyrannical leaders like him and his state's governor..
To promote the general welfare means to ensure a healthy citizenship for all citizens. Your progression is regression in thought.
 

Days

Commentator
To promote the general welfare means to ensure a healthy citizenship for all citizens. Your progression is regression in thought.
did you read that post? If so, how did you reply entirely oblivious to what it said?

Is it healthy to live under tyranny?
 
To promote the general welfare means to ensure a healthy citizenship for all citizens. Your progression is regression in thought.
Ummm to ensure a healthy citizenry? Is that mentally and emotionally healthy? For lockdown isn't ensuring that and lack of Sunshine ain't good for physical health either.
 
exactly, and it is that disconnect that gives us Senators saying things like, "the lock down is extended in Maryland because of the state of the virus"... as if the two had anything in common; there is no excuse for tyranny. But these government leaders are so used to tossing out the issues as excuses for their actions, they don't even think twice about it.

And their actions never redress the issue(s) used as an excuse for their enacting their governing. In this case, the lock-down is doing nothing whatsoever to hinder the virus; the hot spot exploded in Maryland during the lock-down. so it obviously isn't working. But the Senator couldn't care less that what he is saying makes no sense, it is business as usual, just toss out the issue as an excuse for the action. It doesn't make sense, and no one cares that it doesn't make sense, the whores take their bribes and shovel the BS, and laugh all the way to the bank. The capitol building is a theater, a puppet show for the people... and the political theater must go on.

Hidden in plain sight... watch Friday morning's show and notice at the 4 minute mark where Krystal says, "I don't think the donors would allow it" ... who are the donors? She calls them the "corporatists" which is the hip term now for globalists.

Krystal and Saagar: Biden team floats 'Snow Woman' Amy Klobuchar as VP
86,180 views
•Premiered May 22, 2020
Huh! But here we have to, by law, pay a licence fee for the BBC and others so we are the donors and yet - same old same old story as you. Bill Gates is their biggest private donor via Charities - his to theirs.
 
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