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Just remember the most violent uprising in our history.

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
It was when conservative were told they could no longer own other people as their property .

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I think they had to call the army out to stop that one too.

And we made a damn big mistake in letting those traitors back into the union. They should have been held as a protected entity like Puerto Rico. No vote. They gave up that right when they seceded.
We should have also executed all of their leaders after the war for treason. Maybe next time.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
And we made a damn big mistake in letting those traitors back into the union. They should have been held as a protected entity like Puerto Rico. No vote. They gave up that right when they seceded.
We should have also executed all of their leaders after the war for treason. Maybe next time.
As luck would have it, President Abraham Lincoln didn’t see it that way. Instead of acting like a latter day Fidel Castro or Che Guevara and killing all of his opponents he lived by codes like: “ I destroy my enemies by making them friends” and “:United We Stand, Divided We Fall” and didn‘t take a position of revenge. After that war we became the great country we are today, WE STAND....
 

EatTheRich

President
And we made a damn big mistake in letting those traitors back into the union. They should have been held as a protected entity like Puerto Rico. No vote. They gave up that right when they seceded.
We should have also executed all of their leaders after the war for treason. Maybe next time.
Letting them back in was the Lincoln-Johnson program for getting the 13th Amendment passed while minimizing Black voting opportunities. Amnesty came because the planter class and Confederate nomenklatura made alliances with the former slaves to fight jointly for amnesty for themselves and votes and education for former slaves. And because when they defeated the Reconstruction governments by instead allying with the bourgeoisie and the conservative Republicans (“compromise of 1877” giving concrete form to this alliance), they became absorbed into the capitalist class and despite peonage systems were alienated from their slaveowner backgrounds and therefore comfortably allied with the money power via the intermediary of the Democratic Party.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
And we made a damn big mistake in letting those traitors back into the union. They should have been held as a protected entity like Puerto Rico. No vote. They gave up that right when they seceded.
We should have also executed all of their leaders after the war for treason. Maybe next time.
"we"

LMFAO
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
It was when conservative were told they could no longer own other people as their property .

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I think they had to call the army out to stop that one too.
"I think"...….don't you know?

All the slave plantations were owned by black and white democrats, actually the biggest democrat slave owner was Black


 
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UPNYA2

Mayor
And we made a damn big mistake in letting those traitors back into the union. They should have been held as a protected entity like Puerto Rico. No vote. They gave up that right when they seceded.
We should have also executed all of their leaders after the war for treason. Maybe next time.
It is overly apparent that you are woefully ignorant on this subject, sir.

Right from the get-go you need to understand that no leaders were executed for treason as no treason was committed.

The southern states did not seek to overthrow the established government of their country which is what traitors do. In this case some states who willingly joined into a union of states knowing that were they to ever feel encroached upon they had a right to secede from that union.

Lets look at some quotes from our founders on the matter that can be found in the book, “The Real Lincoln,” by Thomas DiLorenzo.

Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, “If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it.” Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists attempted to secede, Jefferson said, “If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, ‘Let us separate.'”

At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

in 1861 even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace.

Just about every major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South’s right to secede.
New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): “If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861.” Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861): “An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful could produce nothing but evil — evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content.”

In Federalist Paper 45, Madison guaranteed: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” The South seceded because of Washington’s encroachment on that vision.

The Framers had a deathly fear of federal government abuse. They saw state sovereignty as a protection. That’s why they gave us the Ninth and 10th Amendments. They saw secession as the ultimate protection against Washington tyranny.

Secession is not protection against establishing a government to prevent the abolishment of slavery. The key issue in the right to secession is NOT separating oneself from a government that prevents the “self-determination” of “peoples,” but separating oneself from a government that fails in its purpose: the protection of individual rights.

Now, personally I feel as if we are a better, stronger nation being we remained united, but with that having been said I also understand that there were many underlying reasons some states sought to go their separate ways, right or wrong in our opinions today aside, it is just so. I'm sorry it isn't as simple as your failed US educational system indoctrinated you to believe.

Perhaps you might try reading various sources and learning their various views, then decide for yourself.... Probably not, but a friendly suggestion none the less.

OR...…..., feel free to return to your whole civil war was about evil white democrats fighting to own other people, then 100 years later all met in center field at half time, changed hats and are somehow all republicans today.......
 
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PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
It is overly apparent that you are woefully ignorant on this subject, sir.

Right from the get-go you need to understand that no leaders were executed for treason as no treason was committed.

The southern states did not seek to overthrow the established government of their country which is what traitors do. In this case some states who willingly joined into a union of states knowing that were they to ever feel encroached upon they had a right to secede from that union.

Lets look at some quotes from our founders on the matter that can be found in the book, “The Real Lincoln,” by Thomas DiLorenzo.

Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, “If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it.” Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists attempted to secede, Jefferson said, “If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, ‘Let us separate.'”

At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

in 1861 even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace.

Just about every major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South’s right to secede.
New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): “If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861.” Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861): “An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful could produce nothing but evil — evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content.”

In Federalist Paper 45, Madison guaranteed: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” The South seceded because of Washington’s encroachment on that vision.

The Framers had a deathly fear of federal government abuse. They saw state sovereignty as a protection. That’s why they gave us the Ninth and 10th Amendments. They saw secession as the ultimate protection against Washington tyranny.

Secession is not protection against establishing a government to prevent the abolishment of slavery. The key issue in the right to secession is NOT separating oneself from a government that prevents the “self-determination” of “peoples,” but separating oneself from a government that fails in its purpose: the protection of individual rights.

Now, personally I feel as if we are a better, stronger nation being we remained united, but with that having been said I also understand that there were many underlying reasons some states sought to go their separate ways, right or wrong in our opinions today aside, it is just so. I'm sorry it isn't as simple as your failed US educational system indoctrinated you to believe.

Perhaps you might try reading various sources and learning their various views, then decide for yourself.... Probably not, but a friendly suggestion none the less.

OR...…..., feel free to return to your whole civil war was about evil white democrats fighting to own other people, then 100 years later all met in center field at half time, changed hats and are somehow all republicans today.......
Each and every one of the traitorous Confederate soldiers that was born on American soil took up arms against his country. That is a fact. They were born Americans and they turned their backs on their country and took up arms against it. That's treason. The leaders should have been hung. The civilians stripped of their right to ever vote again.
 

UPNYA2

Mayor
Each and every one of the traitorous Confederate soldiers that was born on American soil took up arms against his country. That is a fact. They were born Americans and they turned their backs on their country and took up arms against it. That's treason. The leaders should have been hung. The civilians stripped of their right to ever vote again.

Pretty much everything I expected when I posted here......

Oh well, thanks for at least taking the time to explain your reasoning on the matter.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Pretty much everything I expected when I posted here......

Oh well, thanks for at least taking the time to explain your reasoning on the matter.

You are very welcome. Perhaps you could explain to me why you think that someone that takes up arms against the very country that they were born and raised in is not a traitor.
 

UPNYA2

Mayor
Each and every one of the traitorous Confederate soldiers that was born on American soil took up arms against his country. That is a fact. They were born Americans and they turned their backs on their country and took up arms against it. That's treason. The leaders should have been hung. The civilians stripped of their right to ever vote again.

Pretty much everything I expected when I posted here......

Oh well, thanks for at least taking the time to explain your reasoning on the matter.
 

UPNYA2

Mayor
You are very welcome. Perhaps you could explain to me why you think that someone that takes up arms against the very country that they were born and raised in is not a traitor.
I would be happy to do so.

In this particular instance these states were merely seeking to remove themselves from a union they joined after it was understood they could separate any time they felt the Union was over reaching it's agreed upon authorities. What you or I think about that, whether they were correct or not in their thinking matters not, they sought to remove themselves peacefully, leaving the federal government to be.

When it became apparent the federal government was unwilling to lets states out from under their control, when the federal government decided they need access to the monies of all the states that united, only then did it become necessary to have to fight for the right to leave.

And even then were the states able to leave the union they would have had no reason to overthrow the US federal government. That simply was not the intent of that war. As I suggested earlier, perhaps read up on the matter, from more than the one perspective you are already comfortable and content with, you may accidently learn something that has remained unknown to you all your life.

(I did say, "MAY")
 
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