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An example of systemic racism

Colorforms

Senator
Police kill a disproportionate number of black people.

Composition of general population:

White 63% Hispanic 17% Black 13%

All people killed by police:

White 52% Hispanic 12% Black 31%

People killed by police while not attacking:

White 46% Hispanic 12% Black 39%

(Source: Federal Bureau of Investigation)
I guess maybe blacks should quit committing the majority of the violent crimes in the US. Maybe then they won't have so many run ins with police.
 

EatTheRich

President
I guess maybe blacks should quit committing the majority of the violent crimes in the US. Maybe then they won't have so many run ins with police.
Something like 1 in 200 Blacks will commit a violent crime in their lifetimes ... yet ALL Blacks have more run-ins with police.
 

Colorforms

Senator
What does your mother think of your attitude towards black people? Or is that how you were raised?
You mean the fact that I look at things through the lens of reality instead of trying to manipulate facts in order to adhere to a leftist narrative? She is fine with it. She used to be a dyed in the wool democrat before you lefties went off the deep end and started getting fascist.

If you can't be honest about a problem, you'll never fix it.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
You mean the fact that I look at things through the lens of reality instead of trying to manipulate facts in order to adhere to a leftist narrative? She is fine with it. She used to be a dyed in the wool democrat before you lefties went off the deep and and started getting fascist.

If you can't be honest about a problem, you'll never fix it.
You're very defensive about racism. It's a trump/repub thang and their desire to MAWA.
 

protectionist

Governor
The rally itself was financed by Julie Fancelli and Alex Jones. She had previously donated a million bucks to Trump. Are you thinking she's a BLM supporter? Who has been arrested that you can identify as Antifa or BLM? The one guy you will bring up has been disowned by the BLM in Utah...

The protesters who stood around the capitol are not the issue. The two thousand or so who broke windows and doors to get into the capitol, build a gallows on the lawn and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" are. They attempted a violent attack on congress and the constitutional process of completing the election process and if you don't think that "Stop the Steal" was not motivated by an attempt to keep Trump in office you are not only dishonest, you are dishonorable.

Yes, Trump said march to the capitol building peacefully....and then fight like hell to stop the steal or you won't have a country any more.

Communications between Oathkeepers shows their intent was to occupy the capitol building.

Tell us why it took so long for Trump to communicate to the rioters that they should stop the violence?

At 8am Trump tweets out

"All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the states and we win"...Trump is suggesting Pence has the power to reject electors. He doesn't.

Trump's speech ended at 1:10 pm eastern.
At about 1pm the mob has pushed through outer temp barriers and Sund had put in a call for National guard troops.

At 1:30 the crowd pushed through the barriers at the bottom of the stairs. Capitol police have retreated up the steps and at 1:50 it is delcared a riot. At 2pm there are reports that the mob is breaking windows and doors to enter the capitol.

At 2:15 Pence is evacuated.

At 2:24 Trump tweet says Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country.

At 2:26 Trump mistakenly calls Tommy Tuberville and is told they are evacuating.

at about 2:40 Trump tweets out "stay peaceful, support the police"....
at about 3:15 Trump tweets out "I am asking everyone at the capitol to stay peaceful. No violence"....

So two hours after the violence began Trump sends out that weak tweet about please be nice....

At 4:05 Biden calls on Trump to condemn the violence....

At 4:17 Trump puts out a video in which he tells the mob to go home.

That is three f*cking hours after the violence began.

Trump, at 6pm, tweets out the following....

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"


Trump did not condemn the violence until the next day.
What he (and you) should have done is condemn the violence of the illegal road blockers, illegally blocking a legally permitted march, and who started the violence. And yes, that includes the Myers woman who got killed. How did she get hit by a car ? By being in the street blocking traffic.

So Trump said there were good people on both sides. Well, on one side there were good people who just went into the park (with a permit) to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. They potested peacefully. they were good people.

On the leftist side, I don't know if there were ANY good people among them, because they were engaging in lawlessness. What's good about that. I think Trump's comment was to lenient on the lefty radical loons.
 

protectionist

Governor
Police kill a disproportionate number of black people.

Composition of general population:

White 63% Hispanic 17% Black 13%

All people killed by police:

White 52% Hispanic 12% Black 31%

People killed by police while not attacking:

White 46% Hispanic 12% Black 39%

(Source: Federal Bureau of Investigation)
1. You left out WHY they were killed.

2. "Not attacking" doesn't establish police misconduct. Often suspects are shot when they allow their hands to disappear from cops' view. Not attacking, but justifiable homicide by self-defense.

Liberals are clueless about guns & law enforcement.
 

protectionist

Governor
10 Oathkeepers were arrested within a couple of days of the riot. More were arrested by the FBI from pictures and video from inside the capitol building.

Just when do you think Biden appointed any replacements to the FBI?

You can expend all the effort you like to claiming the riot was leftists...you just have no evidence to prove it...on the other hand, we have the hundreds of Trump supporters standing trial.

Why do you continue to avoid acknowledging Trump's "fight like hell" to stop the steal?
Clearly the intent was to intimidate congress and prevent certification of the count of electors. Trump didn't tell the rioters to go home for hours after the violence began.
I 'm not so much claiming the riot was leftists, as I am claiming that you have no evidence that there were not many leftists, if not most of them.

Whose avoiding "acknowledging Trump's "fight like hell" to stop the steal?" Why would anybody avoid that ? i agree 100%,and many Republicans ARE doing just that, including the Arizona audit, which as far as I'm concerned, has already proven the "steal", by virtue of Dominion's refusal to participate, and the Maricopa county bd of suoervisors doing the same thing (and illegally violating a subpoena)

And once the rioting began Trump had no way of talking to the rioters, (most of whom were probably leftists whose intent was to intimidate congress and prevent certification of the count of ALTERNATE electors, which is what was going on that day)
 

EatTheRich

President
What he (and you) should have done is condemn the violence of the illegal road blockers, illegally blocking a legally permitted march, and who started the violence. And yes, that includes the Myers woman who got killed. How did she get hit by a car ? By being in the street blocking traffic.

So Trump said there were good people on both sides. Well, on one side there were good people who just went into the park (with a permit) to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. They potested peacefully. they were good people.

On the leftist side, I don't know if there were ANY good people among them, because they were engaging in lawlessness. What's good about that. I think Trump's comment was to lenient on the lefty radical loons.
No “good people” join a protest organized by the KKK when the state stops officially honoring someone for his racist and pro-slavery politics.

No one was “blocking” any marchers. What the counter-protesters did was take place in a counter-demonstration ... which did NOT give anyone the right to run them over, in the area in which THEY had a permit to be, with malice aforethought, because they disagreed.
 

EatTheRich

President
1. You left out WHY they were killed.

2. "Not attacking" doesn't establish police misconduct. Often suspects are shot when they allow their hands to disappear from cops' view. Not attacking, but justifiable homicide by self-defense.

Liberals are clueless about guns & law enforcement.
So why wasn’t it justifiable self-defense when George Zimmerman’s hands disappeared (by his own affidavit) when he was accosting Trayvon Martin, and Martin took action to try to prevent him from pulling a gun?
 

EatTheRich

President
I 'm not so much claiming the riot was leftists, as I am claiming that you have no evidence that there were not many leftists, if not most of them.

Whose avoiding "acknowledging Trump's "fight like hell" to stop the steal?" Why would anybody avoid that ? i agree 100%,and many Republicans ARE doing just that, including the Arizona audit, which as far as I'm concerned, has already proven the "steal", by virtue of Dominion's refusal to participate, and the Maricopa county bd of suoervisors doing the same thing (and illegally violating a subpoena)

And once the rioting began Trump had no way of talking to the rioters, (most of whom were probably leftists whose intent was to intimidate congress and prevent certification of the count of ALTERNATE electors, which is what was going on that day)
You are ignoring that the ringleaders were verifiably Proud Boys, Oarh Keepers, and Three Percenters who coordinated their efforts to prevent certification of the legal votes with Roger Stone.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I 'm not so much claiming the riot was leftists, as I am claiming that you have no evidence that there were not many leftists, if not most of them.

Whose avoiding "acknowledging Trump's "fight like hell" to stop the steal?" Why would anybody avoid that ? i agree 100%,and many Republicans ARE doing just that, including the Arizona audit, which as far as I'm concerned, has already proven the "steal", by virtue of Dominion's refusal to participate, and the Maricopa county bd of suoervisors doing the same thing (and illegally violating a subpoena)

And once the rioting began Trump had no way of talking to the rioters, (most of whom were probably leftists whose intent was to intimidate congress and prevent certification of the count of ALTERNATE electors, which is what was going on that day)
There was no attempt to certify alternate electors...so there goes that bullshit.
The 400 or so right wingers arrested so far make the rest of your crap easy to laugh at.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
What he (and you) should have done is condemn the violence of the illegal road blockers, illegally blocking a legally permitted march, and who started the violence. And yes, that includes the Myers woman who got killed. How did she get hit by a car ? By being in the street blocking traffic.

So Trump said there were good people on both sides. Well, on one side there were good people who just went into the park (with a permit) to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. They potested peacefully. they were good people.

On the leftist side, I don't know if there were ANY good people among them, because they were engaging in lawlessness. What's good about that. I think Trump's comment was to lenient on the lefty radical loons.
Your version of events is pure fiction. The violence began the night of the tiki torch march with white supremacists attacking a small group of counter protestors..that is all on video.
The next day the nazis and KKK marchers attacked the counter protestors who blocked the road.

Heather Hyer's murder by Fields was not accidental. He stopped at the top of a hill watching the marchers go by blocks away. He sped down a hill, ran a stop sign and ran into a crowd of people....killing one and hurting 35 more. Fields is in prison for murder and was sentenced to life...but you'd argue he's your hero..right?
 
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reason10

Governor
While Sullivan is allowed to move about freely and use social media, he has been barred from working with Insurgence USA, an independent media entity that opposes both the Black Lives Mater movement and the Proud Boys.


"Insurgence USA's mission is to provide you the truth. We are on the frontlines, giving you unedited raw footage, photos, and news of the insurrection here in America. Revealing the truth about Antifa and BLM's communist plans to overthrow democracy. Exposing the sinister motives of Proud Boys and Right-Wing militias as they plot to topple the government," the outlet's website states.
There are blacks in the Proud Boys.

Oh, and I don't recall the Proud Boys torching major cities, like those Nazi racist hate groups BLM and ANTIFA.

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is YOUR goose stepping side of the aisle.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
There are blacks in the Proud Boys.

Oh, and I don't recall the Proud Boys torching major cities, like those Nazi racist hate groups BLM and ANTIFA.

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is YOUR goose stepping side of the aisle.
1. The people rioting in the streets are anarchists...not democrats. It is likely that they do not vote at all.
2. The proud boys participated in the riot called Unite The Right as well as the DC riot attempting to overthrow an election. There is no debate that they are Trump supporters and vote republican. The KKK, Neo-Nazis, Oathkeepers, three percenters and Identity Europa are yours pal.

The funny thing is that you guys will try to disown them, but you can't. They were pictured providing security for Roger Stone at the "Stop the Steal" rally and outside his hotel...just before they walked to the capitol building and helped smash doors and Windows.

As I have posted may times...there is no justification for violence except for self defense. The riots in Minneapolis do not make the DC riot less of an offense...so you defending them is simply a sign of how depraved you are.
 

reason10

Governor

1. The people rioting in the streets are anarchists...not democrats. It is likely that they do not vote at all.


They voted for Biden, about a hundred times each. They ARE the Democrat Party, every goose stepping one of them.


2. The proud boys participated in the riot called Unite The Right as well as the DC riot attempting to overthrow an election. There is no debate that they are Trump supporters and vote republican. The KKK, Neo-Nazis, Oathkeepers, three percenters and Identity Europa are yours pal.


They do not represent the majority of the Republican Party. They do not even represent conservative ideology. They are anti-Semite, and racist, (which means they are LIBERALS) They are insignificant. BLM and ANTIFA ARE your goose stepping Democrat party. They ARE the majority of non copy machine Democrat votes.

The funny thing is that you guys will try to disown them, but you can't. They were pictured providing security for Roger Stone at the "Stop the Steal" rally and outside his hotel...just before they walked to the capitol building and helped smash doors and Windows.

You just tried to disown BLM and ANTIFA, and they are YOUR side of the aisle. And it was ANTIFA who was paid to storm the capitol building. That has already been proven.



As I have posted may times...there is no justification for violence except for self defense. The riots in Minneapolis do not make the DC riot less of an offense...so you defending them is simply a sign of how depraved you are.

There was no riot in DC. Nothing was burned down. No stores were looted. Just a bunch of ANTIFA animals paid thousaneds of dollars to run through the halls of Congress. YOUR side of the aisle.

You have LOST this argument. Again.
 
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