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60% of Republicans believe election "was stolen from Trump"

middleview

President
Supporting Member
She wrote a book whining about it, no?
Really? You read the book and that was what it was about?

I'd bet not. She made a comment one time and long after the election.

How many lawsuits did she file contesting the election? How soon did she concede the election after election day?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Two self-absorbed politicians?

Yes, I'd compare them.

And neither of them hold any power as of now.

It's all good.
We are talking about their reaction to losing the election. One of them conceded shortly after the election was called. The other continues to fuel opposition to his replacement and do his best to damage our election process with what can only be called blatant lies.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
We are talking about their reaction to losing the election. One of them conceded shortly after the election was called. The other continues to fuel opposition to his replacement and do his best to damage our election process with what can only be called blatant lies.
You believe one is the epitome of virtue, and the other wholly despicable. You believe that no matter what they do or what they say. And you're content to do it for the rest of your life,

That's fine. We see it differently. I'm good with that.

Whether you are or not is entirely up to you. Enjoy your day.
 

Spamature

President
Yes, I know you're busy looking down your nose at people you don't like,

It's what you do. It's so boring.
If you think my statement are the result of disliking the right, you are wrong.

I just want them to be better. The right as completely lost its way, and now they've become an actual danger to the republic and the people within. This is because the GOP is a failed party in a two party system.

I wish you could see and understand how far the right has fallen in regard to leadership, responsibility and the expectation from their own leadership.

It's a tragedy, and a dangerous one at that.

You seem to want to gloss over it with happy thoughts.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
If you think my statement are the result of disliking the right, you are wrong.

I just want them to be better. The right as completely lost its way, and now they've become an actual danger to the republic and the people within. This is because the GOP is a failed party in a two party system.

I wish you could see and understand how far the right has fallen in regard to leadership, responsibility and the expectation from their own leadership.

It's a tragedy, and a dangerous one at that.

You seem to want to gloss over it with happy thoughts.
Whatever you wish to believe is fine by me.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong.

I'm secure enough in my position to not care if you approve or not. I also know that nothing you or I say here amounts to a hill of beans. You don't need to see it my way, and I don't need to see it your way.

Really. I stated my case and you've stated yours. That's good enough.

So, it's all good. Have a great day.
 

Spamature

President
Whatever you wish to believe is fine by me.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong.

I'm secure enough in my position to not care if you approve or not. I also know that nothing you or I say here amounts to a hill of beans. You don't need to see it my way, and I don't need to see it your way.

Really. I stated my case and you've stated yours. That's good enough.

So, it's all good. Have a great day.
I am not looking to give anyone my approval.

I believe what I see when I am seeing it.

Why are you secure ?
Why is it that you believe you are so right, that your position is beyond any outside examination that you would accept ?

No, you've stated that nothing can change your mind, and you're done with it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You believe one is the epitome of virtue, and the other wholly despicable. You believe that no matter what they do or what they say. And you're content to do it for the rest of your life,

That's fine. We see it differently. I'm good with that.

Whether you are or not is entirely up to you. Enjoy your day.
1. I've never described Hillary as the epitome of virtue. Merely that she participated in an election and as has been done in every other election that I can remember, conceded defeat and wished for a successful presidency for Trump.

2. Trump is wholly despicable. The damage he has done is not debatable.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
I am not looking to give anyone my approval.

I believe what I see when I am seeing it.

Why are you secure ?
Why is it that you believe you are so right, that your position is beyond any outside examination that you would accept ?

No, you've stated that nothing can change your mind, and you're done with it.
Your premise is false. I did not say nothing would change my mind.

I did say I was secure enough in my position that whether you approve of it or not does not matter to me.

Those are two different things.

If you still are unable to comprehend the differences, that's on you.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
1. I've never described Hillary as the epitome of virtue. Merely that she participated in an election and as has been done in every other election that I can remember, conceded defeat and wished for a successful presidency for Trump.

2. Trump is wholly despicable. The damage he has done is not debatable.
Of course its debatable. Opinions are not absolutes.

Try logic, instead of raw emotion.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Of course its debatable. Opinions are not absolutes.

Try logic, instead of raw emotion.
The facts

Trump has alleged millions of illegal votes, both in 2016 and 2020.
He has also alleged a number of cyber mechanisms that flipped votes from himself to Biden.
He claims millions of forged ballots...that copy machines were used to replicate them.
He says there is evidence that tens of thousands of dead people voted.
He has argued that the judges who have ruled against his 60 some odd legal challenges are either corrupt or cowards for refusing to hear evidence.

All of his claims have been proven false or have been dismissed for lack of evidence.
His continued speeches to the effect that our electoral system is so easily defeated does incredible damage. That is not just an opinion. It is born out by the comments of those republicans who continue to believe that the election was stolen.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Of course its debatable. Opinions are not absolutes.

Try logic, instead of raw emotion.
For your edification...Hillary's concession speech.

CLINTON: Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

(APPLAUSE)

Very rowdy group. Thank you, my friends. Thank you. Thank you, thank you so very much for being here and I love you all, too.

Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I’m sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country.

But I feel pride and gratitude for this wonderful campaign that we built together, this vast, diverse, creative, unruly, energized campaign. You represent the best of America and being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life.

(APPLAUSE)

I know how disappointed you feel because I feel it too, and so do tens of millions of Americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This is painful and it will be for a long time, but I want you to remember this. Our campaign was never about one person or even one election, it was about the country we love and about building an America that’s hopeful, inclusive and big-hearted.

We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.



 

Zam-Zam

Senator
For your edification...Hillary's concession speech.

CLINTON: Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

(APPLAUSE)

Very rowdy group. Thank you, my friends. Thank you. Thank you, thank you so very much for being here and I love you all, too.

Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I’m sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country.

But I feel pride and gratitude for this wonderful campaign that we built together, this vast, diverse, creative, unruly, energized campaign. You represent the best of America and being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life.

(APPLAUSE)

I know how disappointed you feel because I feel it too, and so do tens of millions of Americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This is painful and it will be for a long time, but I want you to remember this. Our campaign was never about one person or even one election, it was about the country we love and about building an America that’s hopeful, inclusive and big-hearted.

We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.




Yep.

Here's this:

Hillary Clinton claims presidential election was 'stolen' from her

Hillary Clinton claims presidential election was 'stolen' from her (yahoo.com)

Seem equally relevant to me. I imagine you'll disagree.

That's cool.
 

Spamature

President
Your premise is false. I did not say nothing would change my mind.

I did say I was secure enough in my position that whether you approve of it or not does not matter to me.

Those are two different things.

If you still are unable to comprehend the differences, that's on you.
Your defensiveness says more than you are willing to admit.
Only a person being dishonest with themselves would say it doesn't matter to them if they are wrong, or are seen to be wrong in their thinking.

This topic isn't about you are me.

But trying to make it about you and me is a cheap and easy way to bow out of it when things go south.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Your defensiveness says more than you are willing to admit.
Only a person being dishonest with themselves would say it doesn't matter to them if they are wrong, or are seen to be wrong in their thinking.

This topic isn't about you are me.

But trying to make it about you and me is a cheap and easy way to bow out of it when things go south.

I'm just telling you we think differently about this topic.

I'm fine with that. You seem less so.

If I'm wrong about that, then it will be no problem for you to leave it at that.

And if I'm right, you'll struggle to just let it go.

I'm fine either way. Your move.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
The facts

Trump has alleged millions of illegal votes, both in 2016 and 2020.
He has also alleged a number of cyber mechanisms that flipped votes from himself to Biden.
He claims millions of forged ballots...that copy machines were used to replicate them.
He says there is evidence that tens of thousands of dead people voted.
He has argued that the judges who have ruled against his 60 some odd legal challenges are either corrupt or cowards for refusing to hear evidence.

All of his claims have been proven false or have been dismissed for lack of evidence.
His continued speeches to the effect that our electoral system is so easily defeated does incredible damage. That is not just an opinion. It is born out by the comments of those republicans who continue to believe that the election was stolen.
I'm sure you haven't noticed, but I haven't argued Trump was a saint. All I said was Hillary wasn't either.

You'll continue to hang on Trump's every word. I...won't.

All in all, I'd rather be me.
 

Spamature

President
I'm just telling you we think differently about this topic.

I'm fine with that. You seem less so.

If I'm wrong about that, then it will be no problem for you to leave it at that.

And if I'm right, you'll struggle to just let it go.

I'm fine either way. Your move.
I am not sure how you think about the topic.

Do you believe the election was stolen ?
 
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