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EatTheRich

President
Elderly people are not WORKING for their welfare. Neither are unemployed Masters Degree Lesbian Dance Theory grads. It's all WELFARE.

While you go to find a new change of underwear, from the absolute SHOCK of hearing someone call it that, just remember that the ORIGINAL administrators of Social Security argued that it was a government WELFARE program made possible according to Congress's ability to tax. (Almost their exact words.)

Yes, conservatives get a little angry when Social Security gets called a welfare program, since they were all led to believe it was a government pension plan. It was Ronald Reagan's "A Time For Choosing" speech which pointed out this truth about Social Security's original administrators.
Working-class values include ensuring the general welfare from cradle to grave and lead to communism. Ruling-class values include throwing the babies to the wall with their parents and tossing the old on the trash heap when they can no longer work, and lead to the gas chambers.
 

EatTheRich

President
Boys and girls, the subject of the thread has very little to do with what the people are spewing. It's about one's work product and its value. Anything else is just idiots who are too lazy to start another thread.
Employees are not paid based on the added value produced by their work, they are paid based on the scarcity of their labor skills and their effective cost of living. The difference between what they are paid and what their labor is worth in terms of added value is the employer's profit.
 

reason10

Governor
So you are cool with companies shipping jobs in this country to places where people will work for a $2 a day ?

I voted for the GENIUS president (Trump) who cut corporate taxes and gave those companies a reason to move those jobs back to America. YOU voted for the Communists who raised those taxes in the first place and gave those companies a reason to spend those BILLIONS of dollars in relocation costs to the far east. YOU are the one who is cool with companies shipping jobs overseas, since you voted for it.

Or if an illegal will do it for half what a citizen will, it's fine if an employer choose the illegal over the citizen ?


I voted for the GENIUS president (Trump) who dared to ENFORCE immigration law and stem the tide of those low educated animals coming across our southern border and taking those jobs. You voted for the fcking ass holes who called him a racist for doing that. He also tried to punish employers who hired illegals and you voted for the fcking ass holes who called him a racist for doing that.

When you need to see someone to blame, the nearest mirror will do just fine.

And since YOUR communist party is the reason for jobs being shipped overseas and illegals taking American jobs, I don't know why you're bugging me with this.
 

reason10

Governor

Yes, it is funny how the OP thinks it's okay to pay child laborers $2 a day to take $10 worth of raw materials, and make shoes that Nike then sells for $100 a pair.

But that is how you wingers think.


Right wingers aren't paying left wing professional athletes millions of dollars in endorsement fees for those Nikes. We're kinda pissed that those athletes take a knee during the National Anthem, while they are empowering slavery today.

Oh, and by the way, (since you have already had your LOBOTOMY and have no clue as to what you're talking about) remember WHICH president went after CHINA for violations of international trade laws. Remember the guy who accused China of ripping America off.

And remember the senile pedophile you voted for, who stole an election and gave China back it's most favored nation status.

Gee. In the early 19th Century your kind would probably have applauded Cuba as being the hub for the slave trade.

And to further tax that almost non existent brain of yours, it was PRESIDENT TRUMP who threatened China with TARIFFS on those $100 Nikes. Meanwhile, the unelected senile son of a bitcch you voted for took MILLIONS of dollars from that country.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/04/24/lucas-biden-and-co-follow-the-money-from-china/

Lucas: Biden and Co. follow the money from China
https://drrichswier.com/2021/02/02/biden-☭-center-caught-concealing-tens-of-millions-from-china/

Biden ☭ Center CAUGHT Concealing Tens of Millions $$ From CHINA


So don't blame TAXPAYERS for the crap that YOUR side of the aisle voted for.
 

reason10

Governor
Heyhey the opposite would be “communism”. Let me say it again Commmmies!
Getting back to the original theme of this thread,

You are worth ONLY what one is willing to pay for you. Genius economist Ayn Rand once claimed that capital always flows to the most productive source. If you are STUPID enough to vote for a president who raises corporate taxes and sends jobs to China, you are part of the market process that flows American capital to the lowest paid workers, just like drivers shop for the lowest gasoline prices on the block.

Those $2 a day manufacturing jobs are the most productive source, when an idiot president rewards a country for doing that.
Last time I check, President Trump rewarded companies for bringing their jobs BACK to America. He is the one who made the American worker the most productive source.

And you voted to reverse that process. It's ALL on YOUR uneducated ignorant side of the aisle.
 

reason10

Governor
A time back calling a member a "snowflake" would got you banned, but, you know that due to not being a new member
The rules are not enforced equally here. If they were, several of these Woke people would be gone, for their name calling, trolling, bullying and thread drift.
 

reason10

Governor
You’re complaining about individuals close to your tax bracket as if you’re better than them. That is small wallet syndrome. It’s not hard to find the pay for substitute teachers and timeshare sellers in this day and age.

You spend all day talking about people with low paying jobs. I’m just pointing out the irony. No need to get all snowflakey.
First of all, you don't know about my tax bracket because you don't know what else I do for a living.

Secondly, you are a LIAR when you accuse me of spending the whole day talking about people with low paying jobs. That is NOT what this thread is about.

It is about the VALUE of an occupation. It is about the moronic CLASS ENVY you seem to have against people who work harder and smarter than you do.

Basically, all you do is LIE.
 

reason10

Governor
Way above your level in what? For example, someone can go to a trade school and earn 100k a year as a plumber or carpenter, or they can get a masters in feminist studies at any prestigious university and still not make rent. It's not your level, it's your skill.
Idiots like Screw Republican believe they are entitled to the world just because they owe six figures on a useless degree from a ripoff college.
 

reason10

Governor
Well OP likes to talk about people getting useless master degrees. I wonder what they got then? @reason10 ?
In other words, you are too slow and ignorant to accurately respond to the subject of this thread. I guess I'm going to have to simplify it for you.

The thread is about the value of a job. Some jobs pay more than others. Dishwashers do not make as much money as doctors. Burger flippers do not make as much money as plumbers.

For you to accurately debate that, you need to give reasons and document them with reliable sources (which coming from YOUR side of the aisle is a colossal fcking joke) to dispute the original OP.

Tell us WHY you think all jobs should pay the same just because the uneducated lazy dishwasher needs more money.

Or you can simply agree with the concept of jobs having different values.

A or B.

Anything else and it's thread drift.
 

Colorforms

Senator
It never hurts to be reminded of how selfish and snooty the Republican position is towards low wage workers, the poor. The opening post does just that.
You mean how they want to keep their taxes low and have enough jobs for people when they enter the workforce?

Yeah, that sucks. Republicans evil. :)
 

Colorforms

Senator
Idiots like Screw Republican believe they are entitled to the world just because they owe six figures on a useless degree from a ripoff college.
Part of it is the university's fault for making these things eligible as majors and not just electives. The universities know people can't live on a feminist studies degree, and yet they offer it just like they would a degree in physics.

Activists are idiots and leftists take advantage of that.
 

reason10

Governor
Part of it is the university's fault for making these things eligible as majors and not just electives. The universities know people can't live on a feminist studies degree, and yet they offer it just like they would a degree in physics.

Activists are idiots and leftists take advantage of that.
Universities themselves are some classic welfare queens in their own right. FEW of them could afford to open their doors without milk from the government teat. That protects them from market forces, which means they can get rich off NOT educating anyone and feed their egos all day long.
 

reason10

Governor
Whoops.... I might have upset a snowflake so all they could do is insult me. Now why don’t you go and report yourself.

I’m just pointing out the truth.
You're the one calling people snowflake, bee itch. You have NEVER pointed out the truth. You don't know the truth. You aren't smart enough to handle the truth.
 

reason10

Governor
It never hurts to be reminded of how selfish and snooty the Republican position is towards low wage workers, the poor. The opening post does just that.
Tell me how the opening post shows any kind of Republican disdain for low wage workers. Republican Presidents (Reagan. Trump) used policies that RAISED the low wage worker to higher pay brackets while cutting their taxes. Reagan raised ALL boats; took the lower class and made them middle class. Took the middle class to RICH.

Trump cut corporate taxes and brought back the manufacturing jobs from the Far East, thus employing an enormous numbers of lower wage workers in better jobs. A lot of those workers were black and latino. I guess that bothers you because your party thinks those groups are inferior and deserve to stay on welfare.

What has YOUR goose stepping Woke group done for the low wage and poor? KEPT them low wage and poor. RAISED THEIR TAXES. Sent good jobs overseas so those low wage and poor would STAY low wage and poor.

Only a self hating IDIOT would vote for a Democrat. NO Democrat Congress or President EVER expanded the American economy since JFK. (He was the last good Democrat and he did it by cutting taxes.)

That's why you people want illegal aliens here. You're running out of minority victim groups, since Republicans seem to be leading the way in making life better for American blacks and latinos.
 

EatTheRich

President
Tell me how the opening post shows any kind of Republican disdain for low wage workers. Republican Presidents (Reagan. Trump) used policies that RAISED the low wage worker to higher pay brackets while cutting their taxes. Reagan raised ALL boats; took the lower class and made them middle class. Took the middle class to RICH.

Trump cut corporate taxes and brought back the manufacturing jobs from the Far East, thus employing an enormous numbers of lower wage workers in better jobs. A lot of those workers were black and latino. I guess that bothers you because your party thinks those groups are inferior and deserve to stay on welfare.

What has YOUR goose stepping Woke group done for the low wage and poor? KEPT them low wage and poor. RAISED THEIR TAXES. Sent good jobs overseas so those low wage and poor would STAY low wage and poor.

Only a self hating IDIOT would vote for a Democrat. NO Democrat Congress or President EVER expanded the American economy since JFK. (He was the last good Democrat and he did it by cutting taxes.)

That's why you people want illegal aliens here. You're running out of minority victim groups, since Republicans seem to be leading the way in making life better for American blacks and latinos.
Highest economic growth by president since Kennedy left office:
1. Johnson (D)
2. Clinton (D)
3. Nixon (R)
4. Reagan (R)
5. Carter (D)
6. George H.W. Bush (R)
7. George W. Bush (R)
8. Obama (D)
9. Ford (R)
10. Trump (R)
 

TheTrueRepublican

Council Member
You're the one calling people snowflake, bee itch. You have NEVER pointed out the truth. You don't know the truth. You aren't smart enough to handle the truth.
Uh oh....

So whats the truth of substitute teacher wages? Because teacher wages are public records just saying. And how do they compare to a janitor’s wage at Buc-Cee’s, a gas stop based in RED Texas.
 

Spamature

President
So you are cool with companies shipping jobs in this country to places where people will work for a $2 a day ?

I voted for the GENIUS president (Trump) who cut corporate taxes and gave those companies a reason to move those jobs back to America. YOU voted for the Communists who raised those taxes in the first place and gave those companies a reason to spend those BILLIONS of dollars in relocation costs to the far east. YOU are the one who is cool with companies shipping jobs overseas, since you voted for it.

Or if an illegal will do it for half what a citizen will, it's fine if an employer choose the illegal over the citizen ?

I voted for the GENIUS president (Trump) who dared to ENFORCE immigration law and stem the tide of those low educated animals coming across our southern border and taking those jobs. You voted for the fcking ass holes who called him a racist for doing that. He also tried to punish employers who hired illegals and you voted for the fcking ass holes who called him a racist for doing that.

When you need to see someone to blame, the nearest mirror will do just fine.

And since YOUR communist party is the reason for jobs being shipped overseas and illegals taking American jobs, I don't know why you're bugging me with this.
The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018,

This happened.


Look's like some improvement.

Only thing is the year before it looked like this:



So the benefit of his tax cut was not much more than we had without spending $3 trillion in tax cuts and it petered out in a single year.

Meanwhile, he still had and has his Trump products made in China.

And he employs illegal at home

Report: Trump Happily Employing Undocumented Workers ...


The largest loss of manufacturing job in our lifetime before this pandemic came under George W Bush. 5 million jobs sucked out of this country during his presidency.



Are you going to claim you voted for Gore or Kerry ?

Otherwise, you voted for the two worst American jobs killers in our lifetime.
 
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