If you're free to choose no vaccine...why aren't others free
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Zam-Zam
Senator
Or....If you are free to choose the vaccine, you should be free to choose voter ID, no?
Personally, I'm a fan of freedom.
Pogue Mahone
Legalize it.
Are you offering a trade? Vaccine mandates for voter ID? Interesting notion but I don't believe you have the authority to offer terms my good sir. 
hey man.Are you offering a trade? Vaccine mandates for voter ID? Interesting notion but I don't believe you have the authority to offer terms my good sir.
no, just stirring debate... or in this case causing people to flee from it... especially those who are adamant about those things listed as being necessary
Mr. Friscus
Governor
Well, let's look at the list:
Freedom to
- not have something injected into your body that you don't want
- not have to prove you are who you say you are to vote
- ignore border security laws
- not pay for services that you benefit from
I guess the obvious difference is that one has the government demanding to inject something into your body without your consent, or terrorize your life and economic livelihood if you don't comply.
The rest are laws on the books, and pretty crappy behavior if you want to avoid partaking in them. I don't see the connection.
Freedom to
- not have something injected into your body that you don't want
- not have to prove you are who you say you are to vote
- ignore border security laws
- not pay for services that you benefit from
I guess the obvious difference is that one has the government demanding to inject something into your body without your consent, or terrorize your life and economic livelihood if you don't comply.
The rest are laws on the books, and pretty crappy behavior if you want to avoid partaking in them. I don't see the connection.
Bugsy McGurk
President
Maybe I’m missing something…
Who is demanding that people be vaccinated against their will?
we live in a civil society, yes? that's kind of the foundation of things... ence the laws and requirements, like ID and so on.
In the spirit of mutual well being...we might want to collaborate on saaay..things like ending this pandemic. much like we collaborate on law order, and so on..
THerein is the connection.
meanwhile, yes, one is free to choose....but no one is terrorizing .. but equal to one persons right to choose not to vaccinate....is the equal right of another to refuse service, employ, etc... as is their right to safeguard their self, and others...by so doing..
Zam-Zam
Senator
It is not only here in the U.S. that people are refusing to be of one mind...The protests in France are now in their fourth week:
For 4th week, protesters in France decry virus pass rules
PARIS (AP) — Thousands of people marched in Paris and other French cities Saturday for a fourth consecutive week of protests against the COVID-19 health passes that everyone in the country will need shortly to enter cafes, trains and other venues.
The demonstrations came two days after France’s Constitutional Council upheld most provisions of a new law that expands the locations where health passes are needed to enter.
Starting Monday, the pass will be required in France to access cafes, restaurants, long-distance travel and, in some cases, hospitals. It was already in place for cultural and recreational venues, including cinemas, concert halls, sports arenas and theme parks with a capacity for more than 50 people.
With French riot police on guard, a largely peaceful crowd walked across Paris carrying banners that read: “Our freedoms are dying” and “Vaccine: Don’t touch our kids.” Some were also upset that the government has made COVID-19 vaccines mandatory for health care workers by Sept. 15.
Complete text: For 4th week, protesters in France decry virus pass rules (apnews.com)
Preview of coming attractions?
For 4th week, protesters in France decry virus pass rules
PARIS (AP) — Thousands of people marched in Paris and other French cities Saturday for a fourth consecutive week of protests against the COVID-19 health passes that everyone in the country will need shortly to enter cafes, trains and other venues.
The demonstrations came two days after France’s Constitutional Council upheld most provisions of a new law that expands the locations where health passes are needed to enter.
Starting Monday, the pass will be required in France to access cafes, restaurants, long-distance travel and, in some cases, hospitals. It was already in place for cultural and recreational venues, including cinemas, concert halls, sports arenas and theme parks with a capacity for more than 50 people.
With French riot police on guard, a largely peaceful crowd walked across Paris carrying banners that read: “Our freedoms are dying” and “Vaccine: Don’t touch our kids.” Some were also upset that the government has made COVID-19 vaccines mandatory for health care workers by Sept. 15.
Complete text: For 4th week, protesters in France decry virus pass rules (apnews.com)
Preview of coming attractions?
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Well, if our experts and pols suggested that we had to have those things injected into our bodies, you have my guarantee that I’d oppose them as well.
sounds good.. meanwhile....
thats about the size of it..
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Yep. A messy business indeed…this liberty.
I expected that the [now weeks old] learning that fully vaxxed people (such as myself) still carry and shed virus regularly would dial down the “coerced vaccine” rhetoric.
I’m not sure how the COVIDOPHILE FETISHISTS square the whole “forced masks on everyone because we all spread it” … and “get the vax or you’re a hateful spreader” schtick.
Geeze. Next they’ll tell me to go to law school so I can lay bricks.
Mr. Friscus
Governor
Well no... Voter ID is to prevent fraud, not because of some "civil society".
Meanwhile, sure, it would be great if the pandemic would end, but...
- COVID will never cease to exist, so as long as you're playing the zero-sum game, we'll always be "in a pandemic", and we'll continue to have mini-tyrant governors and politicians like Fauci make non-data backed claims of doom and gloom so they can continue to try to control the populace. They are not only avoiding the data, but are chasing an impossible goal, and condemning and bullying anyone who won't jump onto their insanity. And yes, forcing the populace to do anything based on a .0007% risk of death is insane. I expect all who demand this to never drive a car again, or leave their houses for that matter.
- The pandemic, as far as a pandemic is defined, is over. The numbers are still 95-90% less than when we were at the worst of it. It's now just a lingering strain. Cities are implementing major orders on their populace despite the fact that COVID deaths are like 3 times less than murder rates.
- Liberty is more important that safety, especially when that "safety" isn't nearly provable or defined. Lock downs and masks don't show any substantial improvements in suppressing the virus. The Vaccine is very effective, but if you're fine with condemning, pressuring, or forcing people to do something to their bodies, you're just falling prey to authoritarian convenience. I'm vaccinated, the vaccine is easily available to all who want it, and most of the fragile are already vaccinated. Kids under 18 are statistically largely not affected. Let those who aren't vaccinated choose if they want to risk it, the rest of us are safe, and the data comfortably supports my position.
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fully vaxxed people have always carried whatever virus... mumps, etc... i dont follow.....it's a basic one... vaccines prevent the recipient from illness... nothign more.
well, because in a civil society there is order... like the orderly casting of one persons vote at a time
liberty is important, but like another poster just shared...does that mean that the people preparing your food are allowed to do so with shitty hands after using the toilet? or the airline pilot to be trashed etc..
Mr. Friscus
Governor
... um, okay?
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Correct. Now then, since the vax carries with it neither immunity nor the end of communicability, folks should lay off all talk of coercion, “show me zee paperz”, and so forth.
If worthless masks are required regardless - and if science shows that all are still shedding - then the hysterical should shaddap and look after their own hygiene. (Spoken in gentle, compassionate, empathetic tone).
