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If you're free to choose no vaccine...why aren't others free

Mr. Friscus

Governor
liberty is important, but like another poster just shared...does that mean that the people preparing your food are allowed to do so with shitty hands after using the toilet? or the airline pilot to be trashed etc..
Wow, so we're comparing apples to chainsaws now?

1. Poop isn't COVID
2. There's no vaccine for poop, there's a vaccine for COVID
3. People with the COVID vaccine are quite safe from exposure. Nobody is safe from poop exposure.
 

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Senator
Yep. A messy business indeed…this liberty.

I expected that the [now weeks old] learning that fully vaxxed people (such as myself) still carry and shed virus regularly would dial down the “coerced vaccine” rhetoric.
I’m not sure how the COVIDOPHILE FETISHISTS square the whole “forced masks on everyone because we all spread it” … and “get the vax or you’re a hateful spreader” schtick.

Geeze. Next they’ll tell me to go to law school so I can lay bricks.
Why can't you understand that being vaccinated means that you might get sick but the chance of dying from covid is much lower after being vaccinated vs not vaxxed?

Freedumb?
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Why can't you understand that being vaccinated means that you might get sick but the chance of dying from covid is much lower after being vaccinated vs not vaxxed?

Freedumb?
Not only do I understand this (and indeed myriad complex things far beyond your grasp), but I have stated so.

Now then, how is what you posted here relevant in any way to what I posted (that vaxxed folks still shed and spread COVID)? This is now established fact - and this is why we (the aforementioned vaccinated people) are being required to once again mask up just like the unvaxxed are. So here we are. We have crazed people arguing - at once - that vaccination should be mandatory because it is selfish to spread the disease…and yet post-vaccination, people still spread the disease.

Ergo - stop with the talk about non-vaxers being selfish, non-vaxxers “killing others”, and non-vaxxers being compelled to vax. Busybody control freaks need to shaddap and get on with their own business.

(Do us both a favor and refrain from any impulse to load up a response laden with still more non-sequiturs - let’s keep it on topic AND relevant).
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Wow, so we're comparing apples to chainsaws now?

1. Poop isn't COVID
2. There's no vaccine for poop, there's a vaccine for COVID
3. People with the COVID vaccine are quite safe from exposure. Nobody is safe from poop exposure.
we were discussing freedom.
 

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Senator
Not only do I understand this (and indeed myriad complex things far beyond your grasp), but I have stated so.

Now then, how is what you posted here relevant in any way to what I posted (that vaxxed folks still shed and spread COVID)? This is now established fact - and this is why we (the aforementioned vaccinated people) are being required to once again mask up just like the unvaxxed are. So here we are. We have crazed people arguing - at once - that vaccination should be mandatory because it is selfish to spread the disease…and yet post-vaccination, people still spread the disease.

Ergo - stop with the talk about non-vaxers being selfish, non-vaxxers “killing others”, and non-vaxxers being compelled to vax. Busybody control freaks need to shaddap and get on with their own business.

(Do us both a favor and refrain from any impulse to load up a response laden with still more non-sequiturs - let’s keep it on topic AND relevant).
Alrighty then. Let's cut to the chase.

Should those that that won't get vaxxed be denied treatment in hospitals because of their self induced ignorance is causing a shortage of medical professionals because they're tired of said ignorance and are quitting their profession?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Alrighty then. Let's cut to the chase.

Should those that that won't get vaxxed be denied treatment in hospitals because of their self induced ignorance is causing a shortage of medical professionals because they're tired of said ignorance and are quitting their profession?

Should hospitals refuse to treat people who don't exercise or eat well?

How about those who drink a lot of alcohol, or use illegal drugs?

People who attempt suicide? Or get hurt while in the commission of a crime?

Should hospitals be in the business of refusing treatment?
 

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Senator
Should hospitals refuse to treat people who don't exercise or eat well?

How about those who drink a lot of alcohol, or use illegal drugs?

People who attempt suicide? Or get hurt while in the commission of a crime?

Should hospitals be in the business of refusing treatment?
You're talking apples and oranges.

All but one of your scenarios are about long term afflictions that can't be treated with a few jabs of the vaccine.

As far as criminals are concerned on whether they should get the vaccine. The answer is yes, to stop the spread while they're in the jail/prison system.

Imagine the jail/prison system in any major city. Some will eventually be released. Should we deny them a vaccine while incarcerated only to be released to spread the virus as it mutates?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
You're talking apples and oranges.

All but one of your scenarios are about long term afflictions that can't be treated with a few jabs of the vaccine.

As far as criminals are concerned on whether they should get the vaccine. The answer is yes, to stop the spread while they're in the jail/prison system.

Imagine the jail/prison system in any major city. Some will eventually be released. Should we deny them a vaccine while incarcerated only to be released to spread the virus as it mutates?
Agree to disagree.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
You're talking apples and oranges.

All but one of your scenarios are about long term afflictions that can't be treated with a few jabs of the vaccine.

As far as criminals are concerned on whether they should get the vaccine. The answer is yes, to stop the spread while they're in the jail/prison system.

Imagine the jail/prison system in any major city. Some will eventually be released. Should we deny them a vaccine while incarcerated only to be released to spread the virus as it mutates?
at the border too?
 

Joe in Tulsa

Council Member
Alrighty then. Let's cut to the chase.

Should those that that won't get vaxxed be denied treatment in hospitals because of their self induced ignorance is causing a shortage of medical professionals because they're tired of said ignorance and are quitting their profession?
Those that choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be denied treatment simply for having opinions different than those approved by those in power. There are plenty people, including doctors, that disagree with the opinion that vaccination is the only way to combat this virus. It's ignorant and arrogant to think that only opinions that you agree with are right and pure and true.
 

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Senator
Those that choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be denied treatment simply for having opinions different than those approved by those in power. There are plenty people, including doctors, that disagree with the opinion that vaccination is the only way to combat this virus. It's ignorant and arrogant to think that only opinions that you agree with are right and pure and true.
Imagine if we had the same type of people with the same mind think while polio was ravaging this country.
 
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