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The American right is now officially the worst group in the world.

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You lied about people dying and being hospitalized.
What ever message the medical community is putting out is too mild if we have had approaching 13000 people die in the last week, 99% of them unvaccinated.
No one but you knee jerk lefties believes the covid data the CDC is propagandizing.

As more of the population gets vaccinated, the idea that a growing number of infected and dead are attributed to the shrinking number of unvaccinated just doesn't, well, add up.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Still missing the connection to the topic.

You started with Singapore then immediately switched to Israel vs Sweden.
You "missing the point" is a problem I have had to deal with for, like ever. It's not my fault you can't comprehend my copiously documented posts.
 

EatTheRich

President
Interestingly, it comes to us via The Atlantic:

Researchers have tried to get at similar questions before. For two separate studies published in May, doctors in California read through several hundred charts of pediatric patients, one by one, to figure out why, exactly, each COVID-positive child had been admitted to the hospital. Did they need treatment for COVID, or was there some other reason for admission, like cancer treatment or a psychiatric episode, and the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental? According to the researchers, 40 to 45 percent of the hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group.

The authors of the paper out this week took a different tack to answer a similar question, this time for adults. Instead of meticulously looking at why a few hundred patients were admitted to a pair of hospitals, they analyzed the electronic records for nearly 50,000 COVID hospital admissions at the more than 100 VA hospitals across the country. Then they checked to see whether each patient required supplemental oxygen or had a blood oxygen level below 94 percent. (The latter criterion is based on the National Institutes of Health definition of “severe COVID.”) If either of these conditions was met, the authors classified that patient as having moderate to severe disease; otherwise, the case was considered mild or asymptomatic.

The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.


Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning (msn.com)

That means the .26 fatality rate is more like .13, about where a bad flu bug falls:

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That doesn’t demonstrate cause of death in any way. You are assuming that Covid infection had nothing to do with the sudden deterioration of some chronic cancer patient, and that the overall death rate including deaths not attributed to Covid coincidentally spiked to levels not seen in this country for decades.
 

EatTheRich

President
No one but you knee jerk lefties believes the covid data the CDC is propagandizing.

As more of the population gets vaccinated, the idea that a growing number of infected and dead are attributed to the shrinking number of unvaccinated just doesn't, well, add up.
As the vaccination campaign began, cases and deaths plummeted. However, as we failed to reach herd immunity, the underlying exponential growth asserted itself precisely in those areas with the least vaccination coverage.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
As the vaccination campaign began, cases and deaths plummeted. However, as we failed to reach herd immunity, the underlying exponential growth asserted itself precisely in those areas with the least vaccination coverage.
That is, of course, ridiculous. A fraud on its face. It amounts to gibberish, or, perhaps more accurately, double talk.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
That doesn’t demonstrate cause of death in any way. You are assuming that Covid infection had nothing to do with the sudden deterioration of some chronic cancer patient, and that the overall death rate including deaths not attributed to Covid coincidentally spiked to levels not seen in this country for decades.
If they weren't receiving treatment associated with covid, their case almost certainly had nothing to do with the presence of covid antibodies, which may well have been an artifact of a long ago case from which they recovered.

Leaked Zoom Video Exposes Hospital Officials Discussing COVID-19 Scare Tactics | ZeroHedge
 

Bernard_Fokke

Captain Fokke
Supporting Member
America should be out spreading the fight against the virus, not the fight against, the fight against the virus.

Their jihad is spreading.
Right now 2000 people per day are DYING in the US because of this efforts.


It will kill more people than AQ, ISIS A thru Z and every terrorist network combined.
If it is not stopped, MILLIONS will die.




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EatTheRich

President
That is, of course, ridiculous. A fraud on its face. It amounts to gibberish, or, perhaps more accurately, double talk.
7-day moving average of cases, rate of change from

March 19 to June 19, 2020 (early outbreak): up 863%
June 19, 2020-Sept. 19, 2020: up 46%
Sept. 19, 2020-Dec. 19, 2020: up 430%
Dec. 19, 2020-Mar. 19, 2021(vaccine rollout): down 75%
Mar. 19, 2021-June 19, 2021: down 78%
June 19, 2021-Sept. 19, 2021 (community spread picks up, mostly in the South and West): up 1207%, to 72% of its value 9 months ago.

(Using Sept. 17 figure as a proxy for today’s.)
 

Spamature

President
No one but you knee jerk lefties believes the covid data the CDC is propagandizing.

As more of the population gets vaccinated, the idea that a growing number of infected and dead are attributed to the shrinking number of unvaccinated just doesn't, well, add up.
The facts are that 99% of the people dying in hospitals are the unvaccinated. Instead of getting vaccinated they chose to aid a new wave of infections. Now they are dying just like they were told they would.

You are as bad as Trump. If the facts conflict with your reality, you just decided to ignore those facts and believe the lie that tell you what you want. Now you want us to believe the county health dept all across the country are in a conspiracy.

Why and how did they all join into this conspiracy ?
You have no idea, or at least no sane idea, as to why or how they would do it.
Nor any evidence that it's happening.
 

Spamature

President
You "missing the point" is a problem I have had to deal with for, like ever. It's not my fault you can't comprehend my copiously documented posts.
What ever.

You just need to hug Sweden like you do the other fallacies you've aligned your talking points with.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The facts are that 99% of the people dying in hospitals are the unvaccinated. Instead of getting vaccinated they chose to aid a new wave of infections. Now they are dying just like they were told they would.

You are as bad as Trump. If the facts conflict with your reality, you just decided to ignore those facts and believe the lie that tell you what you want. Now you want us to believe the county health dept all across the country are in a conspiracy.

Why and how did they all join into this conspiracy ?
You have no idea, or at least no sane idea, as to why or how they would do it.
Nor any evidence that it's happening.
So what the f*ck do you care? If the people dying are all "unvaccinated" it's all good, right?
 

Spamature

President
So what the f*ck do you care? If the people dying are all "unvaccinated" it's all good, right?
It's all good if you are some kind of maniac who is so full of hate you want to see people die because of their ignorance and stubbornness.

But they are gambling with creating and spreading a variant that the vaccine does not protect against.
The vaccine is within it efficacy numbers.
Breakthrough infections are nowhere near the numbers to blame the vaccinated for spread. But here you are trying to claim that it's the vaccinated, helping drive these infections and deaths climb into the millions and hundreds of thousands during this outbreak.

Deplorable !
 
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