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Compromise: Keep the Electoral College and get rid of winner take all in awarding electoral votes.

trapdoor

Governor
Historically, centralism has best prevented federal policies from causing local problems. Compare the great failures of federalism in the U.S. to the successes of centralization in Vietnam.
Historically, representation in all levels of the federal government has fostered benefits for all of the states. If you want to compare federalism to centralism (authoritarianism) look at a country more comparable in size and influence to the United States -- the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But of course you can't look at that anymore because its "efficient" central government collapsed completely almost 30 years ago.
 

trapdoor

Governor
Here are the states were there were presidential campaign events in 2020.
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I'm not sure I see the value that you do in having a presidential campaign event in my state...but you are wrong about where campaigns happen.


Trump won Missouri by 20 points in both 2016 and 2020. Just what specific issues were important to the state of Missouri that Trump took care of for them?

On the national level there are major issues we elect the president to address....National Defense, Immigration, Foreign Trade, Taxes, Health Care...these are not local issues and the voters of Missouri share their interests in those issues with voters in every other state....

The EC was meant to address regional issues...specifically slavery. It was expected slave states would vote as a block on that issue...therefore the attempt was made to balance out electors between north and south.

That isn't the case today.
In your map I see a pattern of visting swing states. Missouri has gone red the last few cycles, so no one campaigned there -- the GOP had it sewn up and no need to visit, and Biden knew he wouldn't win there. But Dems have been weakly winning Nevada and he campaigned there.
Biden hit the blue wall, where Hillary lost, very hard and was successful in flipping Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin -- none of which would have seen a presidential candidate if not for the electoral college.
 

reason10

Governor
Sure.

Because your point shaving scheme will not matter at that point.

It really only help you in a winner take all situation.

With a division of the EC votes based upon the vote the margins need to change the EC numbers will be well above what ever you might gain by shaving votes for no ID.

In other words, your talking points, and your point shaving plan to win by false attrition, will be TOAST.

See how much better this idea would make the world.

You refer to election law as point shaving?

The only reason you are against requiring photo ID is because you know your party cannot win elections based on the issues (which they haven't for the past forty years) . The only way a racist, edited geezer like Joe can be president is through cheating. He was not elected by legal voters.
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
The only flaw in the EC system today is the lack of enforcement of voting laws. Those illegal aliens that Joe spread all over the country will be voting many times, mostly without photo ID.
The Constitution that produced the Electoral College is not flawed in the slightest. It is still the best way to have presidents elected by voters who don't live in New York or California.
if the original design of the EC was so great? why was it changed?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
In your map I see a pattern of visting swing states. Missouri has gone red the last few cycles, so no one campaigned there -- the GOP had it sewn up and no need to visit, and Biden knew he wouldn't win there. But Dems have been weakly winning Nevada and he campaigned there.
Biden hit the blue wall, where Hillary lost, very hard and was successful in flipping Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin -- none of which would have seen a presidential candidate if not for the electoral college.
you really can't admit you were wrong?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You refer to election law as point shaving?

The only reason you are against requiring photo ID is because you know your party cannot win elections based on the issues (which they haven't for the past forty years) . The only way a racist, edited geezer like Joe can be president is through cheating. He was not elected by legal voters.
you keep saying that, but just can't seem to prove it...where is your evidence?
 

EatTheRich

President
Historically, representation in all levels of the federal government has fostered benefits for all of the states. If you want to compare federalism to centralism (authoritarianism) look at a country more comparable in size and influence to the United States -- the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But of course you can't look at that anymore because its "efficient" central government collapsed completely almost 30 years ago.
So the most backward parts of the USSR (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Siberia, etc.) ended up becoming developed and industrialized under Soviet leadership while members of minority groups became educated to an unusual extent. Meanwhile, the rural South in the U.S. has languished in backwardness.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
So the most backward parts of the USSR (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Siberia, etc.) ended up becoming developed and industrialized under Soviet leadership while members of minority groups became educated to an unusual extent. Meanwhile, the rural South in the U.S. has languished in backwardness.
huh? forced collectivization to fuel industrialization and the stripping of resources...progress? the majority lived like and remained peasants..
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
So the most backward parts of the USSR (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Siberia, etc.) ended up becoming developed and industrialized under Soviet leadership while members of minority groups became educated to an unusual extent. Meanwhile, the rural South in the U.S. has languished in backwardness.
Massive famine in the Ukraine...Massive industrialization to build tanks and planes...Massive shortages of consumer products, including food....

Notice that the USSR never had a problem with illegal immigration and had to build militarized borders to prevent emigration. I wonder why.
 

Spamature

President
You refer to ELECTION LAW as point shaving?

The ONLY reason you are against requiring photo ID is because you KNOW your party cannot win elections based on the issues (WHICH THEY HAVEN'T FOR THE PAST FORTY YEARS) . The ONLY way a racist, pedophile geezer like Joe can be president is through cheating. He was NOT elected by legal voters.
No, because the only thing voter ID solves is the problem of voter impersonation. The ID only tells them you are that person who is registered to vote at that precinct. It does not prove anything about your legal status or right to vote. The two have nothing to do with each other.

It is a point shaving scheme because your Republicans are betting that it is more likely that when voting occurs that Republicans who tend to be older and White are more likely to have a valid ID than young Blacks or Hispanics.

My proposal makes your scheme irrelevant. Because your point shaving can't give you the edge you need to sway the EC vote by the voting percentages you would need to change it.
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
You refer to ELECTION LAW as point shaving?

The ONLY reason you are against requiring photo ID is because you KNOW your party cannot win elections based on the issues (WHICH THEY HAVEN'T FOR THE PAST FORTY YEARS) . The ONLY way a racist, pedophile geezer like Joe can be president is through cheating. He was NOT elected by legal voters.
The republican party has won just one presidential election by popular vote since 1988.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Massive famine in the Ukraine...Massive industrialization to build tanks and planes...Massive shortages of consumer products, including food....

Notice that the USSR never had a problem with illegal immigration and had to build militarized borders to prevent emigration. I wonder why.
yeah. odd thing... no one nowhere racing to move to socialist russia. quire the opposite
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Weeping Wusses

PV plurality. Shrillary and Algur did not get 50%, so your Third World party has nothing to cry about.
And GW Bush and Trump both lost the popular vote....

Third World Party? Dude....the only people weeping are those who expected Trump to cling to power on Jan 6th, think that the 600 or so who now face criminal charges were patriots, or the people who prayed for God to put Trump back in power in August..(Mike Lindell this means you).
 

reason10

Governor
And GW Bush and Trump both lost the popular vote....

Third World Party? Dude....the only people weeping are those who expected Trump to cling to power on Jan 6th, think that the 600 or so who now face criminal charges were patriots, or the people who prayed for God to put Trump back in power in August..(Mike Lindell this means you).
And the popular vote has NEVER elected a president in the United States.
 
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