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middleview

President
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You prefer the forced labor under the present system?
"Forced labor"? If you want to own a home, a car, have a social life...it is a good idea to work for a living.

Why in hell would I want my tax money to go to provide those things to someone who is too lazy to get a job? Taking my money to provide for someone else to have the same life style that I do will also reduce my own ability to enjoy my life and surroundings.
 

EatTheRich

President
"Forced labor"? If you want to own a home, a car, have a social life...it is a good idea to work for a living.

Why in hell would I want my tax money to go to provide those things to someone who is too lazy to get a job? Taking my money to provide for someone else to have the same life style that I do will also reduce my own ability to enjoy my life and surroundings.
And under present (scarcity) conditions, deprivation must be used to compel people to work (true also under socialism which makes my jab disingenuous). Which of course is my point. In an advanced enough society, automation and productivity will have advanced to the extent that anyone choosing not to work while maintaining reasonable consumption levels will not appreciably affect anyone else.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
"Forced labor"? If you want to own a home, a car, have a social life...it is a good idea to work for a living.

Why in hell would I want my tax money to go to provide those things to someone who is too lazy to get a job? Taking my money to provide for someone else to have the same life style that I do will also reduce my own ability to enjoy my life and surroundings.
LOL! And yet you vote for democrats, almost exclusively. Are you really that clueless?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
"Forced labor"? If you want to own a home, a car, have a social life...it is a good idea to work for a living.

Why in hell would I want my tax money to go to provide those things to someone who is too lazy to get a job? Taking my money to provide for someone else to have the same life style that I do will also reduce my own ability to enjoy my life and surroundings.
I'm sure all your restaurant employees drive BMW's. and own "$600,000 homes"...........with water saving toilets :)
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
And under present (scarcity) conditions, deprivation must be used to compel people to work (true also under socialism which makes my jab disingenuous). Which of course is my point. In an advanced enough society, automation and productivity will have advanced to the extent that anyone choosing not to work while maintaining reasonable consumption levels will not appreciably affect anyone else.
That's why you're a Renter
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And under present (scarcity) conditions, deprivation must be used to compel people to work (true also under socialism which makes my jab disingenuous). Which of course is my point. In an advanced enough society, automation and productivity will have advanced to the extent that anyone choosing not to work while maintaining reasonable consumption levels will not appreciably affect anyone else.
how can encouraging a large segment of the population to lay around doing nothing not affect those who work?
 

EatTheRich

President
how can encouraging a large segment of the population to lay around doing nothing not affect those who work?
That’s the point. Communism and the technological revolution it makes possible and is made possible by will make the need for work (in the sense of toil, as opposed to creative endeavor) obsolete. In our society, of course, it does affect those who work … hence the complaint about the exploitation of the working class by the investors who lie around doing nothing.

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That’s the point. Communism and the technological revolution it makes possible and is made possible by will make the need for work (in the sense of toil, as opposed to creative endeavor) obsolete. In our society, of course, it does affect those who work … hence the complaint about the exploitation of the working class by the investors who lie around doing nothing.

I don't know of any investors who do nothing...and I am an investor.

There is no way to feed the lazy without confiscating the resources of those who work. Theft is still theft, whether it is some guy breaking into your home or a government program.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't know of any investors who do nothing...and I am an investor.

There is no way to feed the lazy without confiscating the resources of those who work. Theft is still theft, whether it is some guy breaking into your home or a government program.
Why? What can humans do to produce food that robots that could be mass-produced with the amount of effort involved in turning on a light switch hypothetically couldn't? And when that day comes, will the "investor" who is doing no more to produce that food than anyone else still get a monopoly on its distribution?
 
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