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We need a new Vietnam memorial to celebrate the real freedom fighters.

Spamature

President
We need a memorial to honor all of those individuals who decided they wouldn't put up with govt mandates to fight that war and took the risk of defying govt overreach and even went so far as to move to Canada in order to stand up for their freedoms. In addition, we need to honor those who decided to "wait and see", by getting deferment after deferment.

Most of all, we need to honor the truth seekers like Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers.
People who did their research, and swayed public opinion against big govt and its mandates.

We should all be proud to call them American heroes.
 

Colorforms

Senator
We need a memorial to honor all of those individuals who decided they wouldn't put up with govt mandates to fight that war and took the risk of defying govt overreach and even went so far as to move to Canada in order to stand up for their freedoms. In addition, we need to honor those who decided to "wait and see", by getting deferment after deferment.

Most of all, we need to honor the truth seekers like Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers.
People who did their research, and swayed public opinion against big govt and its mandates.

We should all be proud to call them American heroes.
Send a picture once that is erected. :)
 

Spamature

President
Not even a little, and I don't know what mental malfunction caused you to believe otherwise.
You seem to be showing disrespect to the real patriots who stood up for liberty in this country. I bet you want to praise the sheep who lined up to be guinea pigs who didn't do their research and surrendered their freedom and rights to the govt's political science hoax.

Is it because the freedom fighters of that era didn't kill their fellow Americans by the hundreds of thousands with their defiance of the govt, like you freedom fighters of today do ?
 

Colorforms

Senator
You seem to be showing disrespect to the real patriots who stood up for liberty in this country. I bet you want to praise the sheep who lined up to be guinea pigs who didn't do their research and surrendered their freedom and rights to the govt's political science hoax.

Is it because the freedom fighters of that era didn't kill their fellow Americans by the hundreds of thousands with their defiance of the govt, like you freedom fighters of today do ?
Personal choice is such a foreign concept to you. If you want to get a shot, get one. If you don't, then don't. Why is that so hard for you fascists to understand?
 

Spamature

President
Personal choice is such a foreign concept to you. If you want to get a shot, get one. If you don't, then don't. Why is that so hard for you fascists to understand?
I'm the one saying we need a memorial to those who exercised their right to make a personal choice. Why just a monument for the sheep who did not question this govt plan to deliberately kill them and others ?

Why are you being hypocritical and not praising the sacrifices these heroes made in standing up for their freedoms when they said, HELL NO, WE WON'T GO ?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
We need a memorial to honor all of those individuals who decided they wouldn't put up with govt mandates to fight that war and took the risk of defying govt overreach and even went so far as to move to Canada in order to stand up for their freedoms. In addition, we need to honor those who decided to "wait and see", by getting deferment after deferment.

Most of all, we need to honor the truth seekers like Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers.
People who did their research, and swayed public opinion against big govt and its mandates.

We should all be proud to call them American heroes.
Sorry...no.
 

Colorforms

Senator
I'm the one saying we need a memorial to those who exercised their right to make a personal choice. Why just a monument for the sheep who did not question this govt plan to deliberately kill them and others ?

Why are you being hypocritical and not praising the sacrifices these heroes made in standing up for their freedoms when they said, HELL NO, WE WON'T GO ?
Because making a personal choice is supposed to be the norm. I know this is hard for fascists to understand since they are collectivists by nature, however, personal choice is a hallmark of freedom. In a free country, it should be common to make your own choice and not just do what moron fascists want you to do.

And, by the way, you're disrespecting the people who volunteered to put their lives on the line to protect the rights of people like you who call them sheep. :)
 
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Drumcollie

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We need a memorial to honor all of those individuals who decided they wouldn't put up with govt mandates to fight that war and took the risk of defying govt overreach and even went so far as to move to Canada in order to stand up for their freedoms. In addition, we need to honor those who decided to "wait and see", by getting deferment after deferment.

Most of all, we need to honor the truth seekers like Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers.
People who did their research, and swayed public opinion against big govt and its mandates.

We should all be proud to call them American heroes.
Hanoi Jane, Bill Ayers, and who else???

Liberal heroes Top 10 list aka most talked about

10. Bill Ayers
09. Asian Dawn
08. BLM marxists.
07. A. Hitler
06. Chairman Mao
05. Karl Marx
04.The New Provo Front
03. ISIS
02. Antifa.
01. Any Ayatollah
 

Colorforms

Senator
Hanoi Jane, Bill Ayers, and who else???

Liberal heroes Top 10 list aka most talked about

10. Bill Ayers
09. Asian Dawn
08. BLM marxists.
07. A. Hitler
06. Chairman Mao
05. Karl Marx
04.The New Provo Front
03. ISIS
02. Antifa.
01. Any Ayatollah
Margaret Sanger :)
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Because making a personal choice is supposed to be the norm. I know this is hard for fascists to understand since they are collectivists by nature, however, personal choice is a hallmark of freedom. In a free country, it should be common to make your own choice and not just do what moron fascists want you to do.

And, by the way, you're disrespecting the people who volunteered to put their lives on the line to protect the rights of people like you who call them sheep. :)
They put their life on the line for Americans, U.S. citizens...You sure that was for him?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Because making a personal choice is supposed to be the norm. I know this is hard for fascists to understand since they are collectivists by nature, however, personal choice is a hallmark of freedom. In a free country, it should be common to make your own choice and not just do what moron fascists want you to do.

And, by the way, you're disrespecting the people who volunteered to put their lives on the line to protect the rights of people like you who call them sheep. :)
The suggestion that dodging the draft is something to deserve a monument ignores the conflict between east and west at the time. There had been numerous violent confrontations in countries around the world and it certainly had to do with a fundamental conflict between communism and the west.

Should we have backed people like Diem in Vietnam or Chang Kai-shek, or Syngman Rhee? They were all dictators, but they were all anti-communist. Hard to say that we should have lost any American lives to keep those people in power.

It is a complicated conversation. One in which we look at what our elected leaders decide as a commitment by the citizens of our country as opposed to our right to disagree by refusing service. It isn't black and white.

I still would not honor those who ran away. There were ways to serve without joining in a combat unit. Join up and become a medic....You could have claimed conscientious objector status...stand up for your beliefs. I don't see anything to admire in running away to live in Toronto.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Personal choice is such a foreign concept to you. If you want to get a shot, get one. If you don't, then don't. Why is that so hard for you fascists to understand?
Why is it so hard for you Trumplicans to understand that your choice to not get vaccinated endangers others.
 

Spamature

President
The suggestion that dodging the draft is something to deserve a monument ignores the conflict between east and west at the time. There had been numerous violent confrontations in countries around the world and it certainly had to do with a fundamental conflict between communism and the west.

Should we have backed people like Diem in Vietnam or Chang Kai-shek, or Syngman Rhee? They were all dictators, but they were all anti-communist. Hard to say that we should have lost any American lives to keep those people in power.

It is a complicated conversation. One in which we look at what our elected leaders decide as a commitment by the citizens of our country as opposed to our right to disagree by refusing service. It isn't black and white.

I still would not honor those who ran away. There were ways to serve without joining in a combat unit. Join up and become a medic....You could have claimed conscientious objector status...stand up for your beliefs. I don't see anything to admire in running away to live in Toronto.
I've heard this hokum before. Back then it was Communism, as the so-called threat, and the sheep just accepted the hoax without doing any research.

Yet you want to deny honoring the real heroes of that era. Is it because you secretly love big govt mandates, and you abhor real patriotism ?

Real patriots don't try to aid the govt in imposing tyranny on their freedoms. Real patriots do the opposite and try to convince their fellow Americans to resist govt mandates and encroachment on our freedoms.

I am beginning to think some of you are big govt overreach supporters in patriot's clothing.
 
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