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Civil & Human Rights - China

Zam-Zam

Senator
CHINA 2020
The year was marked by harsh crackdowns on human rights defenders and people perceived to be dissidents, as well as the systematic repression of ethnic minorities. The beginning of the year saw the start of the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, which killed more than 4,600 people in China. People demanded freedom of expression and transparency after authorities reprimanded health professionals for warning about the virus. At the UN, China was strongly criticized and urged to allow immediate, meaningful and unfettered access to Xinjiang. Stringent restrictions on freedom of expression continued unabated. Foreign journalists faced detention and expulsion, as well as systematic delays to and refusals of visa renewals. Chinese and other tech firms operating outside China blocked what the government deemed politically sensitive content, extending its censorship standards internationally. China enacted its first Civil Code, which received thousands of submissions by the public calling for legalization of same-sex marriage. Hong Kong’s National Security Law led to a clampdown on freedom of expression.

Human rights defenders
Despite constitutional provisions and its international commitments and obligations, China continued its unrelenting persecution of human rights defenders (HRDs) and activists. Throughout the year, they were systematically subjected to harassment, intimidation, enforced disappearance and arbitrary and incommunicado detention, as well as lengthy terms of imprisonment. The absence of an independent judiciary and effective fair trial guarantees compounded such recurrent violations. Many human rights lawyers were denied their right to freedom of movement, as well as to meet and represent defendants and have access to case materials. HRDs and activists were targeted and charged with broadly defined and vaguely worded offences such as “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power” and “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”.

Dozens of prominent HRDs and activists continued to be arbitrarily detained after attending a private gathering in Xiamen, Fujian province, in December 2019. On 23 March, UN human rights experts expressed grave concerns for former human rights lawyer Ding Jiaxi and other HRDs whom they said had been subjected to enforced disappearance. On 19 June, after six months’ incommunicado detention, legal scholars Xu Zhiyong and Ding Jiaxi were formally arrested for “inciting subversion of state power” and placed under “residential surveillance at a designated location” without access to their family and lawyers of their choice.1,2 On 24 February, Hong Kong bookseller Gui Minhai was sentenced to 10 years’ imprisonment on charges of “illegally providing intelligence to foreign entities” following his secret trial.3 Anti-discrimination activists Cheng Yuan, Liu Yongze and Wu Gejianxiong were tried in secret between 31 August and 4 September on the charge of “subversion of state power” after more than a year of incommunicado detention. The three men were arbitrarily detained solely for advocating for the rights of marginalized groups and at-risk people.




Complete text: Everything you need to know about human rights in China 2020 - Amnesty International Amnesty International

Also:

China’s Global Threat to Human Rights

It doesn’t matter where I am, or what passport I hold. [Chinese authorities] will terrorize me anywhere, and I have no way to fight that.

—Uyghur Muslim with European citizenship, Washington, September 2019



World Report 2020: China’s Global Threat to Human Rights | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)


Wherever Communism goes, oppression follows.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
That's what you call a dictatorship.

In the last century, the move was towards democracy. In this century, the world is moving away from democracy towards dictatorships.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
That's what you call a dictatorship.

In the last century, the move was towards democracy. In this century, the world is moving away from democracy towards dictatorships.

It is a dictatorship, I agree.

It started with a communist revolution. Wherever that has occurred, oppression and brutality has followed.

Every time.
 

EatTheRich

President
It is a dictatorship, I agree.

It started with a communist revolution. Wherever that has occurred, oppression and brutality has followed.

Every time.
Of course, because there is no other way for the enemies of communist revolution to turn back the clock.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Of course, because there is no other way for the enemies of communist revolution to turn back the clock.
You want more?

Here you go:

The Uyghur genocide is the characterization of the series of human rights abuses committed by the government of China against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang as genocide. Since 2014, the Chinese government under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) during the administration of CCP general secretary Xi Jinping has pursued policies that incarcerated more than an estimated one million Muslims (the majority of them Uyghurs) in internment camps without any legal process.[2][3][4] This is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[5][6] Thousands of mosques have been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.[7][8][9]

Government policies have included the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored internment camps,[10][11] forced labor,[12][13] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[14] political indoctrination,[15] severe ill-treatment,[16] forced sterilization,[17] forced contraception,[18][19] and forced abortion.[20][21] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[17] In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%, from 12.07 to 10.9 per 1,000 people.[22] Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide.[23] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019 (compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%).
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Complet text: Uyghur genocide - Wikipedia

Go ahead and defend that, comrade.
 

EatTheRich

President
You want more?

Here you go:

The Uyghur genocide is the characterization of the series of human rights abuses committed by the government of China against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang as genocide. Since 2014, the Chinese government under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) during the administration of CCP general secretary Xi Jinping has pursued policies that incarcerated more than an estimated one million Muslims (the majority of them Uyghurs) in internment camps without any legal process.[2][3][4] This is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[5][6] Thousands of mosques have been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.[7][8][9]

Government policies have included the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored internment camps,[10][11] forced labor,[12][13] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[14] political indoctrination,[15] severe ill-treatment,[16] forced sterilization,[17] forced contraception,[18][19] and forced abortion.[20][21] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[17] In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%, from 12.07 to 10.9 per 1,000 people.[22] Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide.[23] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019 (compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%).
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Complet text: Uyghur genocide - Wikipedia

Go ahead and defend that, comrade.
Why would I defend that? It’s one of the most notorious atrocities in modern history, and a complete reversal of the approach of Lenin to minority nationalities and self-determination … in fact a regression from the already low bar set by Mao which, not coincidentally, went hand in hand with the reintroduction of capitalist property relations in China.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Why would I defend that? It’s one of the most notorious atrocities in modern history, and a complete reversal of the approach of Lenin to minority nationalities and self-determination … in fact a regression from the already low bar set by Mao which, not coincidentally, went hand in hand with the reintroduction of capitalist property relations in China.
Wherever there is communism, there is brutal oppression and denial of basic human rights.

It's just a fact.
 

EatTheRich

President
Wherever there is communism, there is brutal oppression and denial of basic human rights.

It's just a fact.
As you know, communism was brutally repressed in China under the Mao regime, with hundreds killed and thousands jailed or forced into exile for their communist politics.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Photos:

35 Photos of the Courageous Protestors and the Brutal Government Oppression at Tiananmen Square

The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, commonly known as the June Fourth Incident, were student-led demonstrations in Beijing. The protests were the culmination of a popular national pro-democracy movement. The protests were forcibly suppressed after the government declared martial law. The protests ended in a massacre.


Complete text: 35 Photos of the Courageous Protestors and the Brutal Government Oppression at Tiananmen Square (historycollection.com)
 

EatTheRich

President
Photos:

35 Photos of the Courageous Protestors and the Brutal Government Oppression at Tiananmen Square

The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, commonly known as the June Fourth Incident, were student-led demonstrations in Beijing. The protests were the culmination of a popular national pro-democracy movement. The protests were forcibly suppressed after the government declared martial law. The protests ended in a massacre.


Complete text: 35 Photos of the Courageous Protestors and the Brutal Government Oppression at Tiananmen Square (historycollection.com)
Yes. It took tremendous brutality by the government to reverse the 1949 revolution and restore capitalism over the resistance of the demonstrators singing “The East is Red” at Tiananmen Square.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Yes. It took tremendous brutality by the government to reverse the 1949 revolution and restore capitalism over the resistance of the demonstrators singing “The East is Red” at Tiananmen Square.
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According to multiple sources (which I believe trumps some guy on the Internet just saying something), China is one of five communist nations currently.
 

EatTheRich

President
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According to multiple sources (which I believe trumps some guy on the Internet just saying something), China is one of five communist nations currently.
I’m looking at objective measures … wealth inequality which is tremendous, privatization which is extensive, market allocation of investment which is also extensive. The “communism” of Xi Jinping is not the communism of Babeuf, Marx, or Lenin; it is not even the Stalinism of Mao. Whether ideologues motivated to discredit communism or to steal its honor want to acknowledge it or not, Xi’s regime has more in common with the capitalist regimes of Antonescu, Stroessner, Putin, etc. than with the socialist regimes under Lenin or Mao.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
I’m looking at objective measures … wealth inequality which is tremendous, privatization which is extensive, market allocation of investment which is also extensive. The “communism” of Xi Jinping is not the communism of Babeuf, Marx, or Lenin; it is not even the Stalinism of Mao. Whether ideologues motivated to discredit communism or to steal its honor want to acknowledge it or not, Xi’s regime has more in common with the capitalist regimes of Antonescu, Stroessner, Putin, etc. than with the socialist regimes under Lenin or Mao.
I'm looking at sourced facts, instead of stuff I just make up to suit what I prefer to believe.
 

EatTheRich

President
I'm looking at sourced facts, instead of stuff I just make up to suit what I prefer to believe.
Whether a country is “communist” depends on your definition of “communist.” By the very similar definitions used by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky, no country is “communist” but Cuba, N. Korea, and Vietnam are “socialist” or “dictatorships of the proletariat” or “workers’ states.”
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Whether a country is “communist” depends on your definition of “communist.” By the very similar definitions used by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky, no country is “communist” but Cuba, N. Korea, and Vietnam are “socialist” or “dictatorships of the proletariat” or “workers’ states.”
I understand your dilemma - The record of communism is abysmal. You can't possibly defend it, so instead you deny its existence.

I doubt that will work with most people, but as pathetic as it is, it may be your only option.
 

EatTheRich

President
No. The record of communism (as a movement) is systematically distorted by bourgeois propaganda via rhetorical tricks like playing fast and loose with definitions.
 
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