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Are guns really this important ?

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I have said for years that semiautomatic weapons should be treated under the law just like automatic weapons.
You need to think your logic through. What is it about “semiautomatic” weapons that set you off? A simple double action revolver fires just as quickly as a “semiautomatic” handgun or rifle. There are 8-shot revolvers and speed loaders.

Do you simply want to include all guns except old style rifles and shotguns?
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Drugs require a licensed doctor or equivalent in order to get them legally.
Or fill out an online internet forum and do the virtual protocol. Guns and ammo are indeed regulated. I think what we need to understand is what YOU are after here (hence, my line of questioning in the other substrand).
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
Why is it important for citizens to be able to defend themselves, in the event of an internal threat to their safety? We need go no further than Australia, a nation of unarmed citizens, who decided, long ago, to forego arms in favor of letting the government defend them against all threats, foreign and domestic. But what happens when the government itself goes rogue and turns on the people? Take a good look at Australia for that kind of scenario. The people there have no weapons to defend themselves against an aggressive government that has lost its senses and is abusing them left and right. They are in a terrible way.

Things are so bad that Australians are now appealing for international help, for anybody to come and rescue them. That sort of thing is not likely to happen here because most of the people are armed, and the government knows it. Any attempt to abuse the people beyond a certain point will be met with deadly force. Our armed citizens comprise an internal army that is not afraid to face up to a rogue government. All I can say is: Poor Australia---if only you had some guns.
 

Spamature

President
Or fill out an online internet forum and do the virtual protocol. Guns and ammo are indeed regulated. I think what we need to understand is what YOU are after here (hence, my line of questioning in the other substrand).
I told you that.

Regulate semiautomatic weapons the same as they do automatic weapons.
 

Spamature

President
Why is it important for citizens to be able to defend themselves, in the event of an internal threat to their safety? We need go no further than Australia, a nation of unarmed citizens, who decided, long ago, to forego arms in favor of letting the government defend them against all threats, foreign and domestic. But what happens when the government itself goes rogue and turns on the people? Take a good look at Australia for that kind of scenario. The people there have no weapons to defend themselves against an aggressive government that has lost its senses and is abusing them left and right. They are in a terrible way.

Things are so bad that Australians are now appealing for international help, for anybody to come and rescue them. That sort of thing is not likely to happen here because most of the people are armed, and the government knows it. Any attempt to abuse the people beyond a certain point will be met with deadly force. Our armed citizens comprise an internal army that is not afraid to face up to a rogue government. All I can say is: Poor Australia---if only you had some guns.
The people in both the US and Australia have the right to vote in and out of office the people who have or will write their laws. Also, as yet, we do not have robot armies.
So the first argument in this threat is valid. It will be people with guns who abuse you not the govt.

If we ever get robot armies, your guns will be useless against them anyway.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I told you that.

Regulate semiautomatic weapons the same as they do automatic weapons.
You didn’t answer that subthread - which was/is more precise. Can you give that a look? It’s about capacity thresholds and rapid fire capability.
 

Spamature

President
Or fill out an online internet forum and do the virtual protocol. Guns and ammo are indeed regulated. I think what we need to understand is what YOU are after here (hence, my line of questioning in the other substrand).
Online or in person, it is still under the supervision of a doctor that you get the prescription
 

Spamature

President
You need to think your logic through. What is it about “semiautomatic” weapons that set you off? A simple double action revolver fires just as quickly as a “semiautomatic” handgun or rifle. There are 8-shot revolvers and speed loaders.

Do you simply want to include all guns except old style rifles and shotguns?
It's the combination of speed and capacity.
But, hey let include double action revolvers and pump shotguns as well.
The revolver has likely killed more Americans than any other type of gun.
In practice, it's the most dangerous gun of all.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
It's the combination of speed and capacity.
But, hey let include double action revolvers and pump shotguns as well.
The revolver has likely killed more Americans than any other type of gun.
In practice, it's the most dangerous gun of all.
Wow. You want nearly all firearms regulated as “automatic weapons”. That’s a near complete disembowelment of the 2A. Hopefully you don’t seek to savage the 1st A as well. That’s tyranny level stuff.
 

God of War

Governor
Look at what the love of guns over people is putting children kids through.

You didn't have to live like this.

Why should they ?

I can see that happening times millions without the 2nd Amendment. Democrats are globalist-communist vaccine mandaters. Their govt. gun play would put the current gun fever to shame.
 

God of War

Governor
No just the lack of regulation that would prevent them.
Regulation is all you got. Governmental overreach over returning to raising good American kids who value life. All kids should be raised on a family farm until they learn what life is really about.
 

Spamature

President
Or a NP, but regardless, plenty of gun and ammo regs exist already.
And still too many people who shouldn't have guns do.

You don't blame guns and ammo for mass shootings.

So apparently that is not the problem that needs to be addressed.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
And still too many people who shouldn't have guns do.

You don't blame guns and ammo for mass shootings.

So apparently that is not the problem that needs to be addressed.
Your address of the situation doesn’t target the criminals who DO this stuff. It instead impacts those who follow and obey the law. To use the drug prescription analogy one more time, your solution is like having a physician prescribe meds to those who AREN’T ill.

Further, as the left continues to drive policies in all our big cities that result in increased crime and violence… as the left defunds cops…as the left continues to project very public non-support of those officers who DO remain - resulting in retirements and understaffing… as the left collapses civilization around us - it does NOT get to concurrently disarm us so we have NO protection.

It’s like lefty HATES American citizens…
 

Spamature

President
Your address of the situation doesn’t target the criminals who DO this stuff. It instead impacts those who follow and obey the law. To use the drug prescription analogy one more time, your solution is like having a physician prescribe meds to those who AREN’T ill.

Further, as the left continues to drive policies in all our big cities that result in increased Crime and violence… as the left defunds cops…as the left continues to project very public non-support of those officers who DO remain - resulting in retirements and understaffing… as the left collapses civilization around us - it does NOT get to concurrently disarm us so we have NO protection.

It’s like lefty HATES American citizens…
Every gun that is in the hands of a criminal started out in the hands of someone who obtained it legally.
 

Spamature

President
Regulation is all you got. Governmental overreach over returning to raising good American kids who value life. All kids should be raised on a family farm until they learn what life is really about.
Maybe you should just go live on a farm and leave everybody else out of it.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Every gun that is in the hands of a criminal started out in the hands of someone who obtained it legally.
Better punish the decent then. Makes perfect sense. Stick it to the law abiding citizen - as lefties always do.

Defund cops. Early release for criminals. End of cash bail for criminals. No required testing or vaccination for illegals entering the country. Yes, required vaccination AND required negative COVID testing for returning American citizens.

Lefty’s EVERY policy prescription demonstrates abject hatred and loathing for the decent, law abiding citizen. It stands to reason that it is us that you once again seek to penalize and restrict in this case as well. Every time evil happens, you punish the good. Every time.
 

Spamature

President
Better punish the decent then. Makes perfect sense. Stick it to the law abiding citizen - as lefties always do.

Defund cops. Early release for criminals. End of cash bail for criminals. No required testing or vaccination for illegals entering the country. Yes, required vaccination AND required negative COVID testing for returning American citizens.

Lefty’s EVERY policy prescription demonstrates abject hatred and loathing for the decent, law abiding citizen. It stands to reason that it is us that you once again seek to penalize and restrict in this case as well. Every time evil happens, you punish the good. Every time.
How are you decent if that gun ends up killing a room full of kids ?
Because you go to church and donate to your local charity ?



Look, you folks on the right have gotten yourselves into a mode where it's just hate" the left". For you this isn't even about policy anymore. It just about your us verse the others. You can't even discuss issues with going into these tirades.
You have complete closed yourselves from people you have to share the country with, and somehow you don't see that as problematic.
 
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