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When Separation From Our Neighbors Becomes Necessary---

Lance Freeman

Council Member
Folks, we are fast approaching a breaking point in this country. Many Americans are now advocating for secession, a concept that is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. It is a legitimate remedy for when an established government becomes destructive to life and liberty, and especially when it begins to derive its powers from places alien to that of the governed.

In many cases, those advocating for separation have distanced themselves from the two political parties, recognizing that both have been usurped by corporate and foreign interests, and no longer serve the people. Many counties are banding together and looking to secede from their own states, which have become too liberal, and too 'Woke' to be lived in. Harney County became the latest Oregon county to express interest in joining the 'Greater Idaho' movement, in an effort to secede from the ultra-liberal politicians of Oregon. Three Maryland counties are calling to secede from their own state, in order to join West Virginia. There are rumblings about secession in places like Colorado, Texas, and other places.

Such sentiments will grow and expand with increasing abuse by the demented Communist-Democrat regime in Washington. Fragmentation of the nation is only a matter of time if the Biden regime continues to exist, and continues to run roughshod over the citizens. The only question is whether such fragmentation will be accomplished peacefully, through due process (as called for in the Declaration of Independence), or by some other means. One thing for sure: as human beings, we were not born to be slaves, either for the Globalist-controlled Democrat Party, or for some tribe that believes it is superior to other peoples by divine right.

For those not familiar with the Declaration of Independence, here is what it says:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is the duty to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
I am not holding my breath that this rogue government will recognize, or honor, the Declaration of Independence when the time comes for liberty-minded states to step forward and negotiate secession. All kinds of obstacles will be placed before them, not to mention threats of a military action if they do not back down. It will be an interesting show-down; a 'High Noon' of sorts. I do not see the freedom lovers backing down to return to 'Woke' living, or submitting to U.N. tyranny.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I am not holding my breath that this rogue government will recognize, or honor, the Declaration of Independence when the time comes for liberty-minded states to step forward and negotiate secession. All kinds of obstacles will be placed before them, not to mention threats of a military action if they do not back down. It will be an interesting show-down; a 'High Noon' of sorts. I do not see the freedom lovers backing down to return to 'Woke' living, or submitting to U.N. tyranny.
Generally speaking, both left and right are big government hacks. They make slightly different noises, but politicians - whether Democrat or Republican - personally benefit from state power. They have “state jobs”, so state power and the consolidation thereof is in their interest.

In short, Democrats essentially accelerate the process while Republicans embrace a slightly slower pace (toward the same destination).
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
You can move to Russia.
This is the sort of solution I would expect an Obama Cultist to come up with. In fact, this is what Obama would love to see also; i.e. let the Patriots emigrate to other countries, and the Marxists will take care of things here. A wonderful solution---

Any more bright ideas, Julie?

White America is paying a heavy price for 'going along to get along' with all the Leftist nonsense that has been shoved down their throats over the years. They have allowed the Marxists to load them down with guilt---for slavery, for so-called White privilege, and other non-existent nonsense.
 
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Bugsy McGurk

President
Folks, we are fast approaching a breaking point in this country. Many Americans are now advocating for secession, a concept that is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. It is a legitimate remedy for when an established government becomes destructive to life and liberty, and especially when it begins to derive its powers from places alien to that of the governed.

In many cases, those advocating for separation have distanced themselves from the two political parties, recognizing that both have been usurped by corporate and foreign interests, and no longer serve the people. Many counties are banding together and looking to secede from their own states, which have become too liberal, and too 'Woke' to be lived in. Harney County became the latest Oregon county to express interest in joining the 'Greater Idaho' movement, in an effort to secede from the ultra-liberal politicians of Oregon. Three Maryland counties are calling to secede from their own state, in order to join West Virginia. There are rumblings about secession in places like Colorado, Texas, and other places.

Such sentiments will grow and expand with increasing abuse by the demented Communist-Democrat regime in Washington. Fragmentation of the nation is only a matter of time if the Biden regime continues to exist, and continues to run roughshod over the citizens. The only question is whether such fragmentation will be accomplished peacefully, through due process (as called for in the Declaration of Independence), or by some other means. One thing for sure: as human beings, we were not born to be slaves, either for the Globalist-controlled Democrat Party, or for some tribe that believes it is superior to other peoples by divine right.

For those not familiar with the Declaration of Independence, here is what it says:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is the duty to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
I kinda like the idea of a “national divorce,” but red states would never go along with it. The blue states heavily subsidize them and the red states enjoy suckling from the national teat.
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
I kinda like the idea of a “national divorce,” but red states would never go along with it. The blue states heavily subsidize them and the red states enjoy suckling from the national teat.
I disagree. If such a 'divorce' takes place, I predict that the Red states will prosper on their own, and the Blue states will go down the poverty road, like all Marxist states in history. I know this for a fact because I have experienced both sides in my life.

You, my friend, have lived all your life feeding off the Free Man's prosperity in America. The Free Man has taken good care of you, putting food in your belly and taking care of you when sickness overcame you. And yet here you are: ungrateful as hell and begging for the poverty that will surely come to you.

Perhaps you should experience that other way of life for a while. You need such experience badly, and something tells me you will get it.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I disagree. If such a 'divorce' takes place, I predict that the Red states will prosper on their own, and the Blue states will go down the poverty road, like all Marxist states in history. I know this for a fact because I have experienced both sides in my life.

You, my friend, have lived all your life feeding off the Free Man's prosperity in America. The Free Man has taken good care of you, putting food in your belly and taking care of you when sickness overcame you. And yet here you are: ungrateful as hell and begging for the poverty that will surely come to you.

Perhaps you should experience that other way of life for a while. You need such experience badly, and something tells me you will get it.
Of course you say that - you’re a winger. But there’s no reason to believe the red states would end the massive subsidization they get from the blue states. Red states are leeches, and they like it that way.
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
And right wing "patriots" like Lance call for secession and civil war....which side are you on?
What I am saying here is that there is currently a movement in America calling for secession, and I presented the facts. That is all. I am not calling for 'Civil War', so please do not put words in my mouth.

And--I am neither Right Wing or Left Wing. I have always been for Liberty and Common Sense, and where my own hard experience leads me. If I appear to stand with Conservatives, it is because they make a lot more sense than Leftists do.
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
Of course you say that - you’re a winger. But there’s no reason to believe the red states would end the massive subsidization they get from the blue states. Red states are leeches, and they like it that way.
i am not aware that the Blue states subsidize the Red states. Why don't you enlighten me about this subject--I mean, besides mouthing off? Am very willing to learn something new here.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I disagree. If such a 'divorce' takes place, I predict that the Red states will prosper on their own, and the Blue states will go down the poverty road, like all Marxist states in history. I know this for a fact because I have experienced both sides in my life.

You, my friend, have lived all your life feeding off the Free Man's prosperity in America. The Free Man has taken good care of you, putting food in your belly and taking care of you when sickness overcame you. And yet here you are: ungrateful as hell and begging for the poverty that will surely come to you.

Perhaps you should experience that other way of life for a while. You need such experience badly, and something tells me you will get it.
You've brought a fair amount of the dictatorship you grew up in with you....You advocate for censorship and condemnation of those who disagree with you...but this country was born based on diverse opinions. Your opinion that all of those who disagree with you should take their ball and bat and leave the union is counter to what this country is all about. The idea that Obamacare's subsidies of health insurance amounts to communism is idiotic at best. The thought that unemployment insurance is destroying the country is nuts.

The lesson we learned in 1929 is that it is possible, in a consumer economy, to enter a downward spiral in which people do not buy anything, because they can't...so producers stop producing and lay off their employees...reducing the GDP even further.

The moral is that we learned a lesson and both parties have tried to stabilize demand and production....which also keeps unemployment at a stable point.

What you propose is to weaken the US...is it retaliation for the dismemberment of the USSR? Is that what Putin has in mind for you to work on?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
i am not aware that the Blue states subsidize the Red states. Why don't you enlighten me about this subject--I mean, besides mouthing off? Am very willing to learn something new here.
Just a tiny bit of the sum total of what you are unaware of. It is easy enough to google the deficit between taxes collected from states and the federal payments to them...but you'd prefer to be spoon fed.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
And right wing "patriots" like Lance call for secession and civil war....which side are you on?
If a state wants to secede - or even if counties/parishes within a state want to incorporate into other bordering states that share core values - I am generally ok with it.

But then I’m not a control freak, central-authoritarian leftist. Live and let live.

Love the Moral Majority/Jerry Falwell/GWB-style…”yer either ‘fer or agin’ us” orientation you leftists have adopted as you JETTISON any semblance of “liberalism”.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
If a state wants to secede - or even if counties/parishes within a state want to incorporate into other bordering states that share core values - I am generally ok with it.

But then I’m not a control freak, central-authoritarian leftist. Live and let live.

Love the Moral Majority/Jerry Falwell/GWB-style…”yer either ‘fer or agin’ us” orientation you leftists have adopted as you JETTISON any semblance of “liberalism”.
I've never claimed to be a liberal...but the idea that a county would switch states from time to time is idiotic at best. So let's have Broward County, Florida incorporate with Georgia....sounds great.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I've never claimed to be a liberal...but the idea that a county would switch states from time to time is idiotic at best. So let's have Broward County, Florida incorporate with Georgia....sounds great.
I don’t care. It’s not my business. I am able to allow others self-determination. I’m not an insecure control freak busybody Jane Hathaway interference junky.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I've never claimed to be a liberal...but the idea that a county would switch states from time to time is idiotic at best. So let's have Broward County, Florida incorporate with Georgia....sounds great.
No claim need you post tell the facts
You're not Liberal
You're far left leftist
 

Lance Freeman

Council Member
You've brought a fair amount of the dictatorship you grew up in with you....You advocate for censorship and condemnation of those who disagree with you...but this country was born based on diverse opinions. Your opinion that all of those who disagree with you should take their ball and bat and leave the union is counter to what this country is all about. The idea that Obamacare's subsidies of health insurance amounts to communism is idiotic at best. The thought that unemployment insurance is destroying the country is nuts.

The lesson we learned in 1929 is that it is possible, in a consumer economy, to enter a downward spiral in which people do not buy anything, because they can't...so producers stop producing and lay off their employees...reducing the GDP even further.

The moral is that we learned a lesson and both parties have tried to stabilize demand and production....which also keeps unemployment at a stable point.

What you propose is to weaken the US...is it retaliation for the dismemberment of the USSR? Is that what Putin has in mind for you to work on?
Insurance and the 'safety net' are not the only purview of Marxists. A free economy is not devoid of compassion, and can take care of its own also. in 1929, just like today, there was an excessive printing of money, which drove up the stock market artificially, creating a big bubble. The bubble burst, sending the economy into shock. We are headed that way now.

I never said 'unemployment insurance' or health insurance were bad. Here again, you do what you do best: lie and provoke. What I am against is Marxist tyranny, which is what we are experiencing through your hero, Biden. You secretly support such tyranny, and then try to cover what you support with nonsense about Putin.
 
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