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Electoral fraud? Impossible the lefty election "experts" tell us...

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Question every swing state election perpetually until you get the favorable

Screw the Constitution, the right wing will do anything to hold power.

Fasists!

I'm not at all surprised.
As I had previously posted...they got caught. The elections there were primaries which are run by the political parties, not so much the Secretary of State as in general federal elections.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
These aren't legal tender watermarked printing, Middler.

Those 50,000 ballots are not mailed out!!! They are put into containers and hidden under tables until after hours when witnesses are sent home.

ARE YOU STARTING TO UNDERSTAND!!!
So you have 50,000 absentee ballots that were not sent to the voter. Are you thinking none of those voters would then either request an additional ballot or go to vote in person? You are talking about a huge red flag that would trigger an investigation as thousands report they didn't get ballots.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I don't think you can follow anything logically laid out for you. Don't ever bother to ask for things to be laid out for you. Others can. You can't.
What you have laid out is a fictional election system where there are only a few people involved and there are limited controls over the production of ballots from the election committee to the printer and the delivery of those ballots back to election officials.

Here is a link to the ballot processing process for Boulder County. See if you can find a place where 50,000 fraudulent ballots could be inserted in the process.


In some states the printer is also the organization that mails them out. The largest is RunBeck election services. Using a service like this would mean that election officials do not have access to those ballots prior to being handed to the USPS to be delivered to the voter.

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
By that logic, very few are dying of fentanyl overdoses because they "catch" so much of it coming across the border:


Oops!
Except we know how many people are dying from fentanyl because we have their bodies.

Your evidence of a stolen election comes down to the fact that Trump lost and he told you that he could only lose if there was fraud. That isn't evidence at all.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Election Fraud
1) A generic outline of how the system can be cheated.

I'm an election official.

I have 50,000 extra ballots printed up.

I have the ballots filled in.

As real mailed ballots come in, and after they are separated from their envelopes, I grab 50,000 and replace them with the 50,000 ballots I had filled in.

2) Electronic votes can be switched as the machines are connected to the internet. The "record" is an image capture of the screen at vote. I can fake that very easy too.


@Raoul_Luke @Zam-Zam
Yet another reason to know that nobody pulled 50,000 ballots from those to be mailed...because the USPS tracks them. The Post office would present a bill for x number of ballots mailed. That would be 50,000 ballots less than were printed.

All states send ballots with unique numbers linked to the voter. US Postal Service scans this number and sends its status to the voter or third-party tracking service, depending on the state.[1][2]

All voters can choose to be notified by USPS's Informed Delivery Service to track delivery of their ballot to their address.[3]

Voters can then go to their state's tracking website where they enter personal information, like address, DOB to find the status of their ballot.



 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Election Fraud
1) A generic outline of how the system can be cheated.

I'm an election official.

I have 50,000 extra ballots printed up.

I have the ballots filled in.

As real mailed ballots come in, and after they are separated from their envelopes, I grab 50,000 and replace them with the 50,000 ballots I had filled in.

2) Electronic votes can be switched as the machines are connected to the internet. The "record" is an image capture of the screen at vote. I can fake that very easy too.


@Raoul_Luke @Zam-Zam
And get this - in PA there are "observers" from each party. In the inner city precincts that are 99% democrat, what would stop a democrat from registering as a republican so they could be installed in the "republican" observer position by the party machine. Once all the observers are lefties, there is NOTHING to stop ballot fraud.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Except we know how many people are dying from fentanyl because we have their bodies.

Your evidence of a stolen election comes down to the fact that Trump lost and he told you that he could only lose if there was fraud. That isn't evidence at all.
That's why we need forensic audits in all the swing state big city precincts - the "bodies" are hidden in locked filing cabinets under the control of democrats.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You started off suggesting that the people who are mailing ballots out could steal some.
Ok...so once they have them how do they get those ballot forged with the appropriate signature? Remember that it would have to be done after the count of in person ballots are done so that they don't run into folks who voted in person when their absentee ballots didn't arrive. And then they have to get them delivered as if from the USPS or from the people who empty ballot boxes...but they'd be doing it after the last USPS delivery and after the last drop box is emptied....oops.
You keep suggesting the people running the inner city precincts are above reproach...oops!
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And get this - in PA there are "observers" from each party. In the inner city precincts that are 99% democrat, what would stop a democrat from registering as a republican so they could be installed in the "republican" observer position by the party machine. Once all the observers are lefties, there is NOTHING to stop ballot fraud.
Silly bullshit again.
1. Do you have any evidence that Poll Watchers stopped one single instance of fraud?
2. Every counting center would have observers from the Secretary of state's office....as there was in Atlanta, even when the poll watchers thought counting had stopped and left.
3. There are video cameras recording everything all day and night.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You keep suggesting the people running the inner city precincts are above reproach...oops!
You keep suggesting they committed fraud, yet have no evidence that they did.
You also seem to think it is only inner city precincts and not some super red precinct in Texas...

You know why the suggestion is idiotic...because they know those precincts will already vote for either the dem or the republican...depending on who the majority party happens to be. So why would they take the chance?
That's hysterical, you say that as if you have any credibility.

Just keep repeating "most secure election in history"... don't forget to click your heels together....
I included a link that also turned that bullshit on its head...guess you weren't paying attention.
 

God of War

Governor
Yet another reason to know that nobody pulled 50,000 ballots from those to be mailed...because the USPS tracks them. The Post office would present a bill for x number of ballots mailed. That would be 50,000 ballots less than were printed.

All states send ballots with unique numbers linked to the voter. US Postal Service scans this number and sends its status to the voter or third-party tracking service, depending on the state.[1][2]

All voters can choose to be notified by USPS's Informed Delivery Service to track delivery of their ballot to their address.[3]

Voters can then go to their state's tracking website where they enter personal information, like address, DOB to find the status of their ballot.



So, you're saying the ballot has a unique number that can be used to trace how a person voted? I don't think so.

The envelope has that number. When the ballot and the envelope are separated TO COUNT THEM its over. Its when you can replace 50,000 votes with your votes.

If you don't finally get this then there is something cognitively wrong with you.
 

EatTheRich

President
So, you're saying the ballot has a unique number that can be used to trace how a person voted? I don't think so.

The envelope has that number. When the ballot and the envelope are separated TO COUNT THEM its over. Its when you can replace 50,000 votes with your votes.

If you don't finally get this then there is something cognitively wrong with you.
Where do you get the extra 50000 printed ballots?
 

God of War

Governor
No, see, the wall doesn’t work. The guy who sold you on it was just blowing smoke.
Walls have worked for time immemorial. They work at least as good as masks do for airborne pathogens. When you say walls don't work, NORMAL minded people completely ignore you as irrelevant to the debate because it is an irrational thing to assert.
 
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