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Democratic Plan to Confiscate Guns

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Educated workers are also exploited. In any case even if this or that individual was able to work their way up into the ranks of the ruling class, that doesn’t change the systemic problem that without the exploitation of the majority the idle luxury of the ruling minority is impossible.
Nope. Less idle equals more people moving along the continuum of perceived exploitation towards increased luxuries . All it takes is effort, and less blaming of bogeyman
 

reason10

Governor
Looks like you need some of the Florida education because your reading comprehension is absolutely nill.
People have been kicked off Facebook for the precise wording your thuggish prose was comprised of.
I'm from a red state. We excel in reading comprehension. It's the blue state where the idiots lips move while they try to read.
 
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EatTheRich

President
Nope. Less idle equals more people moving along the continuum of perceived exploitation towards increased luxuries . All it takes is effort, and less blaming of bogeyman
Capitalist investment is fundamentally premised on the exchange of money for commodities which are exchanged for a greater quantity of money. The difference (the investor’s profit) must be produced by someone who receives less in exchange for their labor than the added value their labor gives to the raw materials their labor works with.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Capitalist investment is fundamentally premised on the exchange of money for commodities which are exchanged for a greater quantity of money. The difference (the investor’s profit) must be produced by someone who receives less in exchange for their labor than the added value their labor gives to the raw materials their labor works with.
Nope. Negotiate a wage. Don't like the wage..move on to the next. The investor doesn't owe those he/she negotiated a wage with anything more or less than what they agreed to
 

EatTheRich

President
Nope. Negotiate a wage. Don't like the wage..move on to the next. The investor doesn't owe those he/she negotiated a wage with anything more or less than what they agreed to
The wages system is inherently exploitative. Negotiating a higher wage doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the wage is paid to the producer by the parasitical investor who produces nothing but is rewarded via the production of others.
 

trapdoor

Governor
Name them if you want to try making a point.
Name what? The weapons in the bill? Not all are directly named, instead they're given traits -- the first of which is that they are semiautomatic. So if you can find me a military using semiautomatic rifles, you'll be right, and until then you are wrong.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The wages system is inherently exploitative. Negotiating a higher wage doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the wage is paid to the producer by the parasitical investor who produces nothing but is rewarded via the production of others.
Odd. The investor produces the wage. The capital used to build the facility, purchase the goods, etc..
 

EatTheRich

President
Odd. The investor produces the wage. The capital used to build the facility, purchase the goods, etc..
Capital doesn't build facilities ... workers do. Purchasing goods doesn't create them. Some are created by nature; many are created by labor. Either way, the purchase is solely an assertion of naked social power devoid of any creative content. The wage paid to the worker by the investor comes out of (without exhausting) the added value created by the worker's labor.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Capital doesn't build facilities ... workers do. Purchasing goods doesn't create them. Some are created by nature; many are created by labor. Either way, the purchase is solely an assertion of naked social power devoid of any creative content. The wage paid to the worker by the investor comes out of (without exhausting) the added value created by the worker's labor.
Ok.

Do it without.
 

EatTheRich

President
Ok.

Do it without.
Workers and farmers already do everything required for production. The capital represents the power to tell them what to do in exchange for ending the bottleneck the capitalist creates between their labor and their enjoying the fruits of their labor.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Workers and farmers already do everything required for production. The capital represents the power to tell them what to do in exchange for ending the bottleneck the capitalist creates between their labor and their enjoying the fruits of their labor.
Not true. Pick an industry.... Let's say Automotive. Ask the worker to build the cars...absent the capital.

Poof. So, no.

The end
 

EatTheRich

President
Not true. Pick an industry.... Let's say Automotive. Ask the worker to build the cars...absent the capital.

Poof. So, no.

The end
Do you mean, absent the factory and tools? But who builds the factory? Working people. Who builds the tools? Working people. What is NOT necessary (except under a system of class exploitation maintained by violence) is for access to the factory and tools to be controlled by a capitalist investor who has done none of the labor involved in producing them.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Do you mean, absent the factory and tools? But who builds the factory? Working people. Who builds the tools? Working people. What is NOT necessary (except under a system of class exploitation maintained by violence) is for access to the factory and tools to be controlled by a capitalist investor who has done none of the labor involved in producing them.
I mean absent everything. Let the working people build it themselves. Gather the ore, smelt the aluminum and steel. Harvest the rubber, mold the tires. Gather the technical components and wear elements to create the computer circuitry and so on...
 

EatTheRich

President
I mean absent everything. Let the working people build it themselves. Gather the ore, smelt the aluminum and steel. Harvest the rubber, mold the tires. Gather the technical components and wear elements to create the computer circuitry and so on...
Working people already do all that.
 

Zijlstra

Council Member
Why would people do anything extra if it doesn't mean anything extra for themselves and their families? Without inequality there no innovation as nobody has any incentive to do more than the person next to them.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Why would people do anything extra if it doesn't mean anything extra for themselves and their families? Without inequality there no innovation as nobody has any incentive to do more than the person next to them.
guess it depends on the situation. sitting about idle because one doesnt perceive any value is one persons view. to another it may be an opportunity to learn and build new skill(s)....and therein is the incentive.

to a third...maybe it means more money...
 
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