No, that's not grooming.

[EatTheRich]

So you're seriously claiming every single trans tells every single person they hook up with at a bar that they're a trans before trying to get touchy?

trans are so prone to trying to rape people that they've organized entire organizations and movements to make it illegal to use deadly force to defend yourself from rape

Pure BS. Link?

If you’re hooking up with someone at a bar, and their gender identity is important to you, then you need to ask and self-identify. What if someone assumes someone is trans and then finds out they are cisgender when they are about to have sex? Would that be attempted rape too?

 

[EatTheRich]

That does seem to play out in the description of the murders that I linked. A man thought he was hooking up with a woman and found out that it was a man in disguise. Still no excuse, but fascists like ETR want everything to be about capitalism and conservatives, and anyone on the left is pure and perfect. It's common fascist propaganda.

Fascists hate the left, btw. Much of the rhetoric of the right today, yours in particular, is derived directly from fascist propaganda.

 

[EatTheRich]

It's a bit of a sticky situation from my thinking. Trans men want to believe that they're women, and the left keeps telling them that they are women. They are not women, however, and sometimes reality has a tendency to get in the way of these fantasies that Trans people and the left like to engage in.

I don't think they set out to deceive people, I think they have honestly deluded themselves into believing that they are women.

Dude, it’s YOU GUYS insisting that trans men are women.

 

[Zijlstra]

Pure BS. Link?

You're really going to pretend the transes haven't been loudly complaining about people defending themselves against rape and getting laws pushed through that declare you're not allowed to use force to defend yourself against rape?

Here they are in their own twisted words talking about how people should not be allowed to use force Against a rapist. Are you really that ignorant, or are you being disingenuous?

Movement Advancement Project | Gay/Trans Panic Defense Bans

This map depicts bans on so-called

www.lgbtmap.org

 

[EatTheRich]

You're really going to pretend the transes haven't been loudly complaining about people defending themselves against rape and getting laws pushed through that declare you're not allowed to use force to defend yourself against rape?

Here they are in their own twisted words talking about how people should not be allowed to use force Against a rapist. Are you really that ignorant, or are you being disingenuous?

Movement Advancement Project | Gay/Trans Panic Defense Bans

This map depicts bans on so-called

www.lgbtmap.org

This isn’t about “using force against a rapist.” It’s about attacking someone because you find out they’re trans. Again, if gender identity is such a big deal to you then you need to ask before trying to hook up.

 

[Zijlstra]

This isn’t about “using force against a rapist.”

Yes, it is.

It’s about attacking someone because you find out they’re trans

Which means they have initiated a sexual act to which you did not consent. Which means they are in the act of committing or attempting to commit rape or sexual assault.

Again, if gender identity is such a big deal to you then you need to ask before trying to hook up.

You present yourself as a woman precisely because you want the person to think you're a woman. Don't try to rape people and you won't get killed for trying to rape people.

Why are you defending rapists? Why are you pro-rape? Are you a serial rapist? I can't think of any reason for someone to side with rapists unless they are themselves also a rapist.

 

[EatTheRich]

Yes, it is.



Which means they have initiated a sexual act to which you did not consent. Which means they are in the act of committing or attempting to commit rape or sexual assault.


You present yourself as a woman precisely because you want the person to think you're a woman. Don't try to rape people and you won't get killed for trying to rape people.

Why are you defending rapists? Why are you pro-rape? Are you a serial rapist? I can't think of any reason for someone to side with rapists unless they are themselves also a rapist.

No, trans women present themselves as women because they are women. In fact it is routine for straight men and gay women to find themselves attracted to trans women even before they come out and begin transitioning, while they are still presenting as men.

 

[Zijlstra]

If they were women, they wouldn't need to qualify it with the prefix 'trans'. And if they really believed they were women despite being male, they wouldn't need to 'transition' to try to appear as a woman- an adult human female. But they know they'll always be men, which is why they have to put on a façade and can't say 'I'm a male woman with male parts and male appearance but still somehow a woman' with a straight face and they know the victims they're trying to rape don't want have sex with men, which is why they have to deceive them and get them in a vulnerable position in order to carry out the sexual assault. Because they are sexual predators who like to rape other men and really wish their victims would stop trying to defend themselves.

 

[EatTheRich]

If they were women, they wouldn't need to qualify it with the prefix 'trans'. And if they really believed they were women despite being male, they wouldn't need to 'transition' to try to appear as a woman- an adult human female. But they know they'll always be men, which is why they have to put on a façade and can't say 'I'm a male woman with male parts and male appearance but still somehow a woman' with a straight face and they know the victims they're trying to rape don't want have sex with men, which is why they have to deceive them and get them in a vulnerable position in order to carry out the sexual assault. Because they are sexual predators who like to rape other men and really wish their victims would stop trying to defend themselves.

Anyone who looks at transitioning and sees it primarily as an opportunity to act as a sexual predator is revealing that they look at the world through a sexual predator’s eyes. Anyone who looks at treating children with dignity and respect as an act of “grooming” reveals that they look at the world through a pedophile’s eyes.

 

[Zijlstra]

Anyone who looks at transitioning and sees it primarily as an opportunity to act as a sexual predator is revealing that they look at the world through a sexual predator’s eyes.

So you agree that those who pretend to be women and then try to trick men into having gay sex are predators and pretend to be women in order to prey on straight men,

Anyone who looks at treating children with dignity and respect as an act of “grooming” reveals that they look at the world through a pedophile’s eyes.

So you agree the people dressing kids up and making them dance for their titillation are paedophiles.

You're making progress.

 

[reason10]

What seems to be left out of this discussion is the fact that the photo represents pedophelia. It does not belong in public schools.
The Florida legislature passed a law keeping this stuff out of schools and Governor DeSantis signed it.
Who ever even brings this to a school should be arrested and labeled a sex offender.

 

[Colorforms]

Dude, it’s YOU GUYS insisting that trans men are women.

Huge Bullshit.

 

[Colorforms]

Fascists hate the left, btw. Much of the rhetoric of the right today, yours in particular, is derived directly from fascist propaganda.

Today's fascists are the left. Present company included.

 

[Zijlstra]

Huge Bullshit.

He's correct because you misstated. You said

Trans men want to believe that they're women

Which is exactly backward. Trans men are females who think they're men. Trans women are males who think they're women. You got the terms backward in the post color is replying to.

 

[Colorforms]

He's correct because you misstated. You said


Which is exactly backward. Trans men are females who think they're men. Trans women are males who think they're women. You got the terms backward in the post color is replying to.

Sorry, not keeping up on the use of terms. We were talking about men who transitioned into women being killed by people who thought they were women, hit on them, and found out differently. Men transitioning into women, trans men.

My bad.

 

[EatTheRich]

So you agree that those who pretend to be women and then try to trick men into having gay sex are predators and pretend to be women in order to prey on straight men,




So you agree the people dressing kids up and making them dance for their titillation are paedophiles.

You're making progress.

The only people pretending to be women are closeted trans men who haven’t transitioned from female to male yet.

 

[EatTheRich]

Sorry, not keeping up on the use of terms. We were talking about men who transitioned into women being killed by people who thought they were women, hit on them, and found out differently. Men transitioning into women, trans men.

My bad.

Why would people who weren’t open to relationships with men even be interested if those trans women weren’t women?

 

[EatTheRich]

Today's fascists are the left. Present company included.

Your irrational hatred of dissidents from your frankly fascist program does not make the left, who embody everything fascism hates, “fascists.”

 

[Colorforms]

Why would people who weren’t open to relationships with men even be interested if those trans women weren’t women?

Are you really that dense?

A man is drinking, sees what he thinks is a woman, finds out later that it's not.

Is that understandable enough?

 

[Colorforms]

Your irrational hatred of dissidents from your frankly fascist program does not make the left, who embody everything fascism hates, “fascists.”

I don't hate people, I leave that to you. It's not hatred to call a fascist a fascist.