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It is in the public interest that the pretextual affidavit be released for all to see.

God of War

Governor
It seems the FBI and DOJ are hiding behind the increased threats of violence to better architect their attack on Trump. Well, if there is increased talk of violence it is clearly more important to cater to the public interest above the prosecutorial interest in this case and the affidavit should be made public.

The classical standard is that the public interest does indeed trump a lot of other interests (save the individual's at prosecutorial risk) so release the affidavit you weasel Garland. Stop the threats that could lead to uncontrolled country wide violence and plainly show us your hand.
 
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God of War

Governor
This topic deserves its own thread. Public interest and the pertinence to the case mentioned is put forth for debate.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
My take is the DOJ has forfeited their right to "the process" after all the bullshit they pulled in the "Russian collusion" matter. They need to be playing straight up cold hand poker at this point - all cards up and on the table.
 

God of War

Governor
My take is the DOJ has forfeited their right to "the process" after all the bullshit they pulled in the "Russian collusion" matter. They need to be playing straight up cold hand poker at this point - all cards up and on the table.
Couldn't agree more. Yours is certainly the largest part of this argument in favor of release of the affidavit.

Listen, it might be bad and so an apology and a resignation might be in order but the right thing for the republic demands to be done. Lower the heat.

Donald Trump Jr.'s emotional outburst at his father's persecution is either genuine or he feels guilt for being the named witness on the affidavit. Maybe its real bad for Trump that his son or his son-in-law did him wrong. Or it was the Secret Service agent who had Esmeralda the Guatemalan cleaning lady snoop for him. We the People need to know.
 
It seems the FBI and DOJ are hiding behind the increased threats of violence to better architect their attack on Trump. Well, if there is increased talk of violence it is clearly more important to cater to the public interest above the prosecutorial interest in this case and the affidavit should be made public.

The classical standard is that the public interest does indeed trump a lot of other interests (save the individual's at prosecutorial risk) so release the affidavit you weasel Garland. Stop the threats that could lead to uncontrolled country wide violence and plainly show us your hand.
You don't think threats of violence are an acceptable reason to keep the affadavit secret?
 

Boltlady

Mayor
Here is where the case for public interest will be made.
Eric has said that the Trump family watched the whole search effort on their CCTV (?) cameras. Seems they turned them off when instructed to do so but then turned them all right back on. I don't know if they include sound buy somebody should be able to read lips. The question becomes when will Trump release them to the public.

He might be waiting until the so called judge rules whether the affadavit gets released or perhaps as evidence in the lawsuit he will likely bring.
 
It's the opposite. Democrats should learn to let go of their tendency to rule and learn to govern. An elected representative constitutional republic is governed and not ruled over.
That is completely incoherent.

The justice department wants to keep the affidavit a secret because nutjobs will bring violence against those responsible.

Either you don't think those threats are real or you don't think that the government should be protecting whistleblowers from violence. Which one is it?
 
My take is the DOJ has forfeited their right to "the process" after all the bullshit they pulled in the "Russian collusion" matter. They need to be playing straight up cold hand poker at this point - all cards up and on the table.
Well said. I do not condone threats of violence in anyway, however the mistrust the American people now have of the FBI/DOJ, MSM.... is well earned ..... by them.
 

God of War

Governor
That is completely incoherent.

The justice department wants to keep the affidavit a secret because nutjobs will bring violence against those responsible.

Either you don't think those threats are real or you don't think that the government should be protecting whistleblowers from violence. Which one is it?
Nobody is going to bring violence to anybody responsible if righteous justice is integral to the process. Trump may well get his just desserts. It is the occulting of the process that will bring violence of all kinds and in greater number.

There are witness protection programs. But doubtful of the need. In recent history only Democrats shoot congressional baseball players, dream of killing a president, and show up armed to kill a justice of the supreme court.
 
Nobody is going to bring violence to anybody responsible if righteous justice is integral to the process. Trump may well get his just desserts. It is the occulting of the process that will bring violence of all kinds and in greater number.

There are witness protection programs. But doubtful of the need. In recent history only Democrats shoot congressional baseball players, dream of killing a president, and show up armed to kill a justice of the supreme court.
You must of the missed the attack on the FBI office.
 

BlueHeel

Council Member
I don’t seem to recall you being very concerned when there was an attempt on the life a Supreme Court Judge.
What attempt? Your assasin never reached Kavanaugh's house, never removed the gun from the locked case, and retreated to a Starbucks, where he called 911 on himself! The Marshals Service took 20 minutes to find him!
So again, what attempt?
 

God of War

Governor
You must of the missed the attack on the FBI office.
No. Didn't miss it. The whole point of this thread. You know that now the American conservatives are teetering on committing acts of violence. You saw Garland and Wray shit and piss their pants, right? You saw them speak to this issue and the fear was palpable. Now is the time for governing and time to respect the public interest first and foremost.
 
No. Didn't miss it. The whole point of this thread. You know that now the American conservatives are teetering on committing acts of violence. You saw Garland and Wray shit and piss their pants, right? You saw them speak to this issue and the fear was palpable. Now is the time for governing and time to respect the public interest first and foremost.
No, the rule of law will remain even if makes Right-wingers mad.

The government should not be negotiating with terrorists.
 
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