Putin will take a chunk of eastern Ukraine while the west shits itself over nuke threats
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ObamacareForever
Senator
Every time I see someone who shits themselves over a nuclear threat I see someone who has fallen for Russian propaganda.
poopie.
EatTheRich
President
The threat is real. Even if Putin is bluffing, he has to gamble on being compelled to follow through on his threats or lose the ability to make the threat. It would be insane to therefore give Putin and his paper-tiger armed forces a veto on everything the world does.
Sounds like this would give Russia access to a lot of coal and gas. But can they really stop Ukrainian forces from taking the territory back while keeping a lid on the wrath of the Russian people?
Just a few. It’s mostly been right-wingers cheering Putin on.
worldlymrb
Revenge
US/NATO overplayed their expansionist goals and should have agreed to a 20 year freeze of Ukrainian membersip
As to my part of this.. access would give Russia control of a significant portion of ukrainian's natural resources. It would also allow for the permanent establishment of a land bridge between Russia and the Crimea. Whether they can stop Ukraine or not to still up in the air, but at the moment Ukraine has to move with the best possible speed to forestall what is happening this week
Why? Are we discussing free Nations or not?
leftists newscasters aren't being broadcast in Russia, that would be YOUR q-rightwing commentators. so funny how you keep getting that confused
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
We're discussing how to stop the war.
So war with Russia is yours means to the solution?
Bugsy McGurk
President
What should we do that we’re not already doing?
Bugsy McGurk
President
The modern day version of the Chamberlain appeasement approach. It would work no better this time.
currently the ukrainians are handling it quite nicely, albeit costly...
what is your solution, let them gobble up a free nation?
we should be providing more and more powerful arms.
i'd also say..we should be in Ukraine....this would be over already.
Bugsy McGurk
President
What arms?
As to whether it would be “over already” if we were “in Ukraine.” That’s possible. The Earth could be a smoldering mess of nuclear rubble. That’s as over as it gets.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I get that you want that and, if that were a way to do it, I'd be all for it. But that won't happen without US (and allies) boots on the ground (or the always popular nuke option). Russia has consolidated in the southern and eastern regions it controls and is in a pretty good position to defend them. And can continue to lob missiles into the non-occupied zones. A long war is in no one's best interest, but if the rationale is that eventually Russia will lose to Ukrainian forces, well, that's just plan idiotic.
we are closer than ever to the earth being a smoldering pile of nuclear rubble as it is. so sitting around letting a bully be a bully or getting in the bully's face isnt making much of a difference now is it?
if Ukraine forces Russia further eastward (out of donbass, etc) it is very likely we'll see a nuke used. now what? let it pass? then Putin rules.
russia is in no condition to maintain a 'pretty good position'.. we'll see.
the rationale is precisely that. their able bodied are fleeing en masse, their internal populace is in an uproar, battlefield soldiers are getting their ass kicked and or fleeing. what it is some sort of ruse....theyre all pretending to be driving aroun in dilapidated shit withou direction..waiting to pounce and spring some master plan??
