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bdtex

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They did not spy on the Trump campaign. The Fisa warrant was to spy on a guy who no longer worked for the campaign.

The covid virus has not been proven to have come from the Wuhan lab. Research is still going on.

Nobody said the vaccine would keep you from getting covid. They said it would lessen symptoms and help avoid hospitalization and death.

The Hunter Laptop has been in the hands of the FBI and the Trump appointed federal prosecutor for 3 years. What crimes is there in evidence?
Don't let him sidetrack you. This thread is for proof of the "stolen election". He's changing the subject.
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
Yeah you...

Go on.... Open thread for you to post your proof the 1/6ers are all innocent lambs ..

Go.....
Personally, I've never said they were innocent nor guilty. If they are guilty, they should be prosecuted...not held in detention for an unreasonable period of time. It's going on three years now. If the evidence proves they are guilty, try them and sentence them. If they are still trying to gain enough evidence to prove their guilt after three years...doesn't seem to me, they have the evidence required to prove guilt. At what point is this a violation of their 6th Amendment rights?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Looks like it was one of those dump and run routines...

Masks ...must be 100% or absolutely zero transmission or failure.

Global warming... therefore there may never be snow again..

Poof..ran away...
I had sh*t to do. The fact of the matter is you lefties gaslight the shit out of these narratives and then when the facts eventually go against you, the narrative shifts to "that was settled a long time ago." Heads you guys win, tails we lose. Masks aren't even 10% or 5% - they simply do not work (at all) among the general population for a number of reasons. Global warming says we shouldn't be seeing the most snow cover since the 1960s but we are - so we know that it's BS.

The idea that the government run voting process is pristine from end to end is laughable. It is a fairy tale given gravitas by the full throated chorus in the mainstream media clown show. If the Republicans ever get their sh*t together and start actually turning their electoral advantages into electoral wins, this narrative about election fraud being impossible will be shown to be complete bs just like all the others I mentioned.
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
They did not spy on the Trump campaign. The Fisa warrant was to spy on a guy who no longer worked for the campaign.

The covid virus has not been proven to have come from the Wuhan lab. Research is still going on.

Nobody said the vaccine would keep you from getting covid. They said it would lessen symptoms and help avoid hospitalization and death.

The Hunter Laptop has been in the hands of the FBI and the Trump appointed federal prosecutor for 3 years. What crimes is there in evidence?
You're going to claim the below is not a direct quote from President Biden?

'You're not going to get covid if you have these vaccinations,'"
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You demonstrated? Funny I don't remember any demonstrations.

You made a claim. Nothing more. You were unable to find any corroborating evidence. So basically, your word.

Absentee ballots are sent to addresses based on voter registration. Are you now saying someone intercepted all those millions of ballots and forged the signatures and nobody reported that they didn't get their ballots?

"No way Biden got 81 million votes". No evidence that there was substantial fraud, but here you are again, regurgitating Trumplican whines about the election.
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There is no evidence of fraud because the process is so loosey goosey that it is impossible to see it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Personally, I've never said they were innocent nor guilty. If they are guilty, they should be prosecuted...not held in detention for an unreasonable period of time. It's going on three years now. If the evidence proves they are guilty, try them and sentence them. If they are still trying to gain enough evidence to prove their guilt after three years...doesn't seem to me, they have the evidence required to prove guilt. At what point is this a violation of their 6th Amendment rights?
1. If they are in jail then either they can't make bail or the judge decided they were a threat and denied bail. Only a few are awaiting trial in jail.

January 6 Capitol riots latest: defendants held without bail 2021 | wusa9.com

2. There is a huge backlog, due to 800 indictments. They'll be tried as there is room on the schedule.
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
1. If they are in jail then either they can't make bail or the judge decided they were a threat and denied bail. Only a few are awaiting trial in jail.

January 6 Capitol riots latest: defendants held without bail 2021 | wusa9.com

2. There is a huge backlog, due to 800 indictments. They'll be tried as there is room on the schedule.
Where is the language in the Constitution that pauses your 6th Amendment guarantees due to "a huge backlog"? Have there been room on the schedule to try people that have been arrested since 1/6/2020 in those same courts?

I completely understand that people like you only care about Constitutional rights important to you and your hatred for the parts you don't like. But, people like you don't get to decide which rights apply to the people you disagree with.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
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There is no evidence of fraud because the process is so loosey goosey that it is impossible to see it.
Pennsylvania does not generally require voters to present identification while voting in most cases. However, a voter who is voting at a polling place for the first time must present identification.

In addition, you have to sign the poll book to vote in person and have to sign the envelope to vote absentee. Signature validation is done in both cases.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Where is the language in the Constitution that pauses your 6th Amendment guarantees due to "a huge backlog"? Have there been room on the schedule to try people that have been arrested since 1/6/2020 in those same courts?

I completely understand that people like you only care about Constitutional rights important to you and your hatred for the parts you don't like. But, people like you don't get to decide which rights apply to the people you disagree with.
Where, in the 6th amendment, does it specify the definition of speedy trial?

In many cases the delay is because the defendant's lawyer requests a delay.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
LOL! Are you paying attention to the Taibbi tweet stream of internal Twitter communications? You guys have a lot of nerve calling conservatives "conspiracy theorists."

Just the latest in a long line of "conspiracy theories" that have blown up in the left's face.
If you get your news from Twitter you are already a Trump voter. Nothing in the Hunter Biden laptop would have changed votes any more than the Russian social media posts did in 2016.
 

write on

Senator
The problem being the reliance on lies and conspiracy theories to gain power and when that fails you resort to more lies to justify your loss in the election. The result a bunch of lemmings on the right who follow along and continue to try to destroy faith in elections and democracy.
That is their long term fascist plan. By denying our electoral process, they think they can count on the far right wing SCOTUS to cement elections in their favor.

But the SCOTUS isn't stupid, They know that they can't just flat out deny the result of certain elections. It is a slow burn with their ruling(s) on races that determine who gains control in Congress.

And with that slow burn, and like I've said, hopefully I'll be dead before it comes into fruition.

:(
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And just how were they going to do that without the weapons, the numbers or the support to accomplish that? You are such a hack...
Your version of a coup requires occupation of government buildings over more than a few hours. Clearly the Eastman memo discussed a disruption in the electoral process that would allow Trump to throw it back to the republican legislatures in the battleground states to appoint Trump electors.

I want the January 6 investigation to continue to determine exactly what communication took place between Trump, various pro-Trump organizations (ie...OathKeepers) and other republican legislators.

You ignore the facts. Oathkeepers and Proud Boys met up at the outer police barrier even before Trump started talking. They were armed with baseball bats and other weapons. They were dressed for combat, not a tour of the Capitol. They waited until Trump sent the mob to the Capitol to "fight like hell" and then attacked the police.

If the intent was not to stop the count, intimidate congress and prevent the orderly transfer of power....what was it?
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
Pennsylvania does not generally require voters to present identification while voting in most cases. However, a voter who is voting at a polling place for the first time must present identification.

In addition, you have to sign the poll book to vote in person and have to sign the envelope to vote absentee. Signature validation is done in both cases.
But, the signature on the envelope doesn't have to match that of the signature on the voter's registration anymore. I can simply put an X on the envelope as my signature and they can't kick it out. You're going to honestly, with a straight face, tell everyone on here that's a good idea an will in no way increase the risk of fraud?

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Unanimously Rules That Mail-In Ballots Cannot Be Rejected Due to Signature Comparisons (newsweek.com)
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
But, the signature on the envelope doesn't have to match that of the signature on the voter's registration anymore. I can simply put an X on the envelope as my signature and they can't kick it out. You're going to honestly, with a straight face, tell everyone on here that's a good idea an will in no way increase the risk of fraud?

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Unanimously Rules That Mail-In Ballots Cannot Be Rejected Due to Signature Comparisons (newsweek.com)
Pa did not have a reasonable policy on singature match. The court found rejection to be too much based on untrained workers. That court decision was made in September 2020. PA could have and should come up with a better plan.

So let's look at the facts.

1. An incoming absentee ballot is checked for the QRcode, address and name on the envelope. If there is no signature, it is rejected, although based on county rules they may contact the voter to cure the envelope.

2. So, let's assume that means that tens of thousands of absentee ballots were cast by someone other than the voter it was addressed to. How did that happen?

I have posted a number of times what the process is.
In person ballots are counted first. The voter database is updated to show the voter has cast a vote. By the time that has completed, the cutoff of accepting additional ballots is set. Ballots that have been received by the post office will be accepted but must have already been mailed. The postmark would prove when the post office got the ballots.

If someone wanted to submit fraudulent absentee ballots, how would they do it? Where did they get the ballots? How did they know which voters had not or would not vote? The margin for error is huge and yet duplicate ballots didn't happen.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
I had sh*t to do. The fact of the matter is you lefties gaslight the shit out of these narratives and then when the facts eventually go against you, the narrative shifts to "that was settled a long time ago." Heads you guys win, tails we lose. Masks aren't even 10% or 5% - they simply do not work (at all) among the general population for a number of reasons. Global warming says we shouldn't be seeing the most snow cover since the 1960s but we are - so we know that it's BS.

The idea that the government run voting process is pristine from end to end is laughable. It is a fairy tale given gravitas by the full throated chorus in the mainstream media clown show. If the Republicans ever get their sh*t together and start actually turning their electoral advantages into electoral wins, this narrative about election fraud being impossible will be shown to be complete bs just like all the others I mentioned.
Ugh. Now I'm a lefty. Jeebis.

So no ..ignore everything..bleat something else..check.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
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There is no evidence of fraud because the process is so loosey goosey that it is impossible to see it.
There is evidence of a few violations of election fraud. There is not more because there was not substantial fraud and not enough to change the outcome.

Talk to Bill Barr. Trump's own AG got fired for telling the truth.
 
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Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
Pa did not have a reasonable policy on singature match. The court found rejection to be too much based on untrained workers. That court decision was made in September 2020. PA could have and should come up with a better plan.

So let's look at the facts.

1. An incoming absentee ballot is checked for the QRcode, address and name on the envelope. If there is no signature, it is rejected, although based on county rules they may contact the voter to cure the envelope.

2. So, let's assume that means that tens of thousands of absentee ballots were cast by someone other than the voter it was addressed to. How did that happen?

I have posted a number of times what the process is.
In person ballots are counted first. The voter database is updated to show the voter has cast a vote. By the time that has completed, the cutoff of accepting additional ballots is set. Ballots that have been received by the post office will be accepted but must have already been mailed. The postmark would prove when the post office got the ballots.

If someone wanted to submit fraudulent absentee ballots, how would they do it? Where did they get the ballots? How did they know which voters had not or would not vote? The margin for error is huge and yet duplicate ballots didn't happen.
I'll repeat the question I asked, that you decide to dodge...as usual...you're saying that not matching signatures "in no way increase the risk of fraud"?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I had sh*t to do. The fact of the matter is you lefties gaslight the shit out of these narratives and then when the facts eventually go against you, the narrative shifts to "that was settled a long time ago." Heads you guys win, tails we lose. Masks aren't even 10% or 5% - they simply do not work (at all) among the general population for a number of reasons. Global warming says we shouldn't be seeing the most snow cover since the 1960s but we are - so we know that it's BS.

The idea that the government run voting process is pristine from end to end is laughable. It is a fairy tale given gravitas by the full throated chorus in the mainstream media clown show. If the Republicans ever get their sh*t together and start actually turning their electoral advantages into electoral wins, this narrative about election fraud being impossible will be shown to be complete bs just like all the others I mentioned.
Unreal. The narratives you think proves election fraud have been crushed by the facts. That is not "gas lighting".

D'Souza? His 2000 Mules has been proven to be complete bullshit. I posted a scientific paper on cellphone GPS accuracy from 2019 that showed his argument that accuracy was down to inches was simply a lie.
Lott? Wishful thinking. His math depends on the assumption that you can compare the inperson and absentee ballot numbers from a majority republican county to a democrat majority county and state that there must be fraud because Trump lost in the democratic county. Silly on it's face.
Lindell relies on IT technology that doesn't exist.
Gabelman was fired by the republican legislator who hired him.
Cyber Ninjas found nothing.

Judges in 61 lawsuits filed by Trump or his allies were either kicked out for lack of evidence or dropped before being presented in court.

What else do you have? What narrative do you have that is credible and has not been debunked?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I'll repeat the question I asked, that you decide to dodge...as usual...you're saying that not matching signatures "in no way increase the risk of fraud"?
The risk is minimal for the reasons I already posted. Is it possible that a family member grabbed a ballot delivered to the house and cast a vote in grandma's name. Yes. Now make that happen for 10's of thousands of ballots.
 
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