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I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

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Levar Burton was paid approx $20Kfor his role as Kunta Kinte in the mini series "Roots".
He went on to earn much more as a lead character in Star Trek.
HIs net worth is estimated at $8 million, not including his mansion in Sherman Oaks, CA.
Levar Burton would be eligible for "slavery reparations" under California's proposed plan.

I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

Reparations is an issue that needs guardrails around it – a national standard. I don't want some future supreme court case (“Ho v. Quaid”?) muddying the waters with a razor thin majority decision. One which declares some state programs legal, other illegal, and still others subject to 25 years of future litigation, as politicians hope for a “rebalancing” of the justices between political parties.

So . . in the interest of helping our great nation arrive at an equitable solution which applies to ALL states, here goes my list of suggestions
  1. You cannnot collect slavery reparations if you moved here after the civil war. Period. Hard stop. Your ancestors were never slaves. And don't hurry to get your nieces and cousins over before the payout. Limited to ACTUAL descendants of slaves, not posers.
  2. You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.
  3. If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..
  4. A special tax – either one time, or ongoing – must be approved by congress to pay for slavery reparations. We are so NOT adding trillions more to the national debt because of this. Each american family already owes $300,000 in accululated federal debt– this is why we're all living paycheck to paycheck. And no cutting federal funding for things like public schools, medical care, veterans benefits, etc. to cover reparations. These are important programs too.
  5. The new tax – if and when it is implemented – is only applicable to you if your white ancestors arrived BEFORE the civil war. If they were refugees from world war 1, world war 2, korea, vietnam, etc … you can put a big fat zero in this line item on your tax return.
  6. Acceptance of the reparations payment, and/or depositing the check, releases all federal, county, and municipal governments from future lalitigation and liability over slavery. It is not an admission of guilt – reparations are a good faith effort to redress grievous mistakes made by a bunch of people who died hundreds of years ago.
  7. Chinese “coolie” labor, used to build parts of the transcontinental railroad, is not covered by this program
  8. Whites who were brought to America under similar contract worker programs during colonial times are also excluded from collecting reparations – nannies; farmhands; lumberjacks; miners; shipwrights; stonemasons – these men (and women) were paid for their work, and in many cases got free land when their contracts were up. Some even went on to own slaves . .
  9. Current H1B work visa holders are not eligible under this program. You may, in fact, be getting paid “below average wages” compared to native born programmers, engineers, and doctors . . .but you went into this with your eyes open. Look before you leap. You are NOT a slave, you're simply an exploited worker. And less exploited than uber drivers, Starbucks baristas, and amazon “pickers”.
Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their ancestral hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

Are we good then? Still want to proceed? Okay – I see a hand up in the back. Yes – Rhode Island – what is your question? Okay, I heard that – this week one of your Latinx politicians proposed slavery reparations, even though you were among the most northern and free-est liberal states among the 13 colonies. WTF are you thinking? You even proposed payouts to white Rhode Island residents. Explain to me – and to America – why this isn't just some crazy stunt to swing votes in an election. I'm waiting . ..
 

EatTheRich

President
Agreed on the need for a national/international standard. Application to others who have faced atrocities (Natives etc.) can be discussed elsewhere. Hard disagree on your point 5. The advisability of this or that tax structure aside, all whites in the U.S. *today* benefit from (and all Blacks including recent immigrants are disadvantaged by) a socioeconomic structure derived from slavery.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
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Levar Burton was paid approx $20Kfor his role as Kunta Kinte in the mini series "Roots".
He went on to earn much more as a lead character in Star Trek.
HIs net worth is estimated at $8 million, not including his mansion in Sherman Oaks, CA.
Levar Burton would be eligible for "slavery reparations" under California's proposed plan.

I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

Reparations is an issue that needs guardrails around it – a national standard. I don't want some future supreme court case (“Ho v. Quaid”?) muddying the waters with a razor thin majority decision. One which declares some state programs legal, other illegal, and still others subject to 25 years of future litigation, as politicians hope for a “rebalancing” of the justices between political parties.

So . . in the interest of helping our great nation arrive at an equitable solution which applies to ALL states, here goes my list of suggestions
  1. You cannnot collect slavery reparations if you moved here after the civil war. Period. Hard stop. Your ancestors were never slaves. And don't hurry to get your nieces and cousins over before the payout. Limited to ACTUAL descendants of slaves, not posers.
  2. You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.
  3. If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..
  4. A special tax – either one time, or ongoing – must be approved by congress to pay for slavery reparations. We are so NOT adding trillions more to the national debt because of this. Each american family already owes $300,000 in accululated federal debt– this is why we're all living paycheck to paycheck. And no cutting federal funding for things like public schools, medical care, veterans benefits, etc. to cover reparations. These are important programs too.
  5. The new tax – if and when it is implemented – is only applicable to you if your white ancestors arrived BEFORE the civil war. If they were refugees from world war 1, world war 2, korea, vietnam, etc … you can put a big fat zero in this line item on your tax return.
  6. Acceptance of the reparations payment, and/or depositing the check, releases all federal, county, and municipal governments from future lalitigation and liability over slavery. It is not an admission of guilt – reparations are a good faith effort to redress grievous mistakes made by a bunch of people who died hundreds of years ago.
  7. Chinese “coolie” labor, used to build parts of the transcontinental railroad, is not covered by this program
  8. Whites who were brought to America under similar contract worker programs during colonial times are also excluded from collecting reparations – nannies; farmhands; lumberjacks; miners; shipwrights; stonemasons – these men (and women) were paid for their work, and in many cases got free land when their contracts were up. Some even went on to own slaves . .
  9. Current H1B work visa holders are not eligible under this program. You may, in fact, be getting paid “below average wages” compared to native born programmers, engineers, and doctors . . .but you went into this with your eyes open. Look before you leap. You are NOT a slave, you're simply an exploited worker. And less exploited than uber drivers, Starbucks baristas, and amazon “pickers”.
Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their ancestral hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

Are we good then? Still want to proceed? Okay – I see a hand up in the back. Yes – Rhode Island – what is your question? Okay, I heard that – this week one of your Latinx politicians proposed slavery reparations, even though you were among the most northern and free-est liberal states among the 13 colonies. WTF are you thinking? You even proposed payouts to white Rhode Island residents. Explain to me – and to America – why this isn't just some crazy stunt to swing votes in an election. I'm waiting . ..
Anyone who can show that they or their parents were slaves should qualify. Someone who was never a slave should not.

Any thoughts on paying the ancestors of the Union soldiers killed freeing the slaves?
 
Agreed on the need for a national/international standard. Application to others who have faced atrocities (Natives etc.) can be discussed elsewhere. Hard disagree on your point 5. The advisability of this or that tax structure aside, all whites in the U.S. *today* benefit from (and all Blacks including recent immigrants are disadvantaged by) a socioeconomic structure derived from slavery.
ii don't think "all whites" have benefitted from slavery which took place decades or centuries before their forebears's arrival in the USA. if you need convincing, just visit

1. state and federal penetentiaries
2. kids drop out of public high school because they can't even read at the "average" 5th grade level
3. substance abusers
4. the homeless
5. your local amazon picker, starbucks barista, or uber driver
 
Anyone who can show that they or their parents were slaves should qualify. Someone who was never a slave should not.

Any thoughts on paying the ancestors of the Union soldiers killed freeing the slaves?
that's an unexpected question. how about the one's who died in southern prisons like "andersonville"?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Anyone who can show that they or their parents were slaves should qualify. Someone who was never a slave should not.

Any thoughts on paying the ancestors of the Union soldiers killed freeing the slaves?
will the Blacks that fought with the Confederacy be paid?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
My hand is up........will the reparations be taxable like Bonuses are at work?

I agree pay Every living Slave............
 
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Zam-Zam

Senator
None did.
That's not quite true...A few did:

Confederacy approves Black soldiers

On March 13, 1865, with the main Rebel armies facing long odds against much larger Union armies, the Confederacy, in a desperate measure, reluctantly approves the use of Black troops.

The situation was bleak for the Confederates in the spring of 1865. The Yankees had captured large swaths of Southern territory, General William T. Sherman’s Union army was tearing through the Carolinas, and General Robert E. Lee was trying valiantly to hold the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, against General Ulysses S. Grant’s growing force. Lee and Confederate President Jefferson Davis had only two options. One was for Lee to unite with General Joseph Johnston’s army in the Carolinas and use the combined force to take on Sherman and Grant one at a time. The other option was to arm enslaved workers, the last source of fresh manpower in the Confederacy.

The idea of enlisting Black soldiers had been debated for some time. Arming enslaved workers was essentially a way of setting them free, since they could not realistically be sent back to plantations after they had fought. General Patrick Cleburne had suggested enlisting enslaved workers a year before, but few in the Confederate leadership considered the proposal, since slavery was the foundation of Southern society. One politician asked, “What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?” Another suggested, “If slaves will make good soldiers, our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Lee weighed in on the issue and asked the Confederate government for help. “We must decide whether slavery shall be extinguished by our enemies and the slaves be used against us, or use them ourselves.” Lee asked that the enslaved workers be freed as a condition of fighting, but the bill that passed the Confederate Congress on March 13, 1865, did not stipulate freedom for those who served.

The measure did nothing to stop the destruction of the Confederacy. Several thousand Black men were enlisted to fight for the Confederates, but they could not begin to balance out the nearly 200,000 Black soldiers who fought for the Union.



Confederacy approves Black soldiers - HISTORY



Seems like a moot point anyway - They've all been dead for quite some time.

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middleview

President
Supporting Member
That's not quite true...A few did:

Confederacy approves Black soldiers

On March 13, 1865, with the main Rebel armies facing long odds against much larger Union armies, the Confederacy, in a desperate measure, reluctantly approves the use of Black troops.

The situation was bleak for the Confederates in the spring of 1865. The Yankees had captured large swaths of Southern territory, General William T. Sherman’s Union army was tearing through the Carolinas, and General Robert E. Lee was trying valiantly to hold the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, against General Ulysses S. Grant’s growing force. Lee and Confederate President Jefferson Davis had only two options. One was for Lee to unite with General Joseph Johnston’s army in the Carolinas and use the combined force to take on Sherman and Grant one at a time. The other option was to arm enslaved workers, the last source of fresh manpower in the Confederacy.

The idea of enlisting Black soldiers had been debated for some time. Arming enslaved workers was essentially a way of setting them free, since they could not realistically be sent back to plantations after they had fought. General Patrick Cleburne had suggested enlisting enslaved workers a year before, but few in the Confederate leadership considered the proposal, since slavery was the foundation of Southern society. One politician asked, “What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?” Another suggested, “If slaves will make good soldiers, our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Lee weighed in on the issue and asked the Confederate government for help. “We must decide whether slavery shall be extinguished by our enemies and the slaves be used against us, or use them ourselves.” Lee asked that the enslaved workers be freed as a condition of fighting, but the bill that passed the Confederate Congress on March 13, 1865, did not stipulate freedom for those who served.

The measure did nothing to stop the destruction of the Confederacy. Several thousand Black men were enlisted to fight for the Confederates, but they could not begin to balance out the nearly 200,000 Black soldiers who fought for the Union.



Confederacy approves Black soldiers - HISTORY



Seems like a moot point anyway - They've all been dead for quite some time.

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The Louisiana Native Guard were union troops.

Active fighting ended less than three weeks after the law was passed, and there is no evidence that any black units were accepted into the Confederate Army as a result of the law. Whatever black combat service might have occurred during the war, it was not sanctioned by the Confederate government. Even beyond the Official Records, there is no known letter, diary entry, or any other primary source in which a Confederate mentions serving with black soldiers.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend | American Battlefield Trust (battlefields.org)
 

Spamature

President
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Levar Burton was paid approx $20Kfor his role as Kunta Kinte in the mini series "Roots".
He went on to earn much more as a lead character in Star Trek.
HIs net worth is estimated at $8 million, not including his mansion in Sherman Oaks, CA.
Levar Burton would be eligible for "slavery reparations" under California's proposed plan.

I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

Reparations is an issue that needs guardrails around it – a national standard. I don't want some future supreme court case (“Ho v. Quaid”?) muddying the waters with a razor thin majority decision. One which declares some state programs legal, other illegal, and still others subject to 25 years of future litigation, as politicians hope for a “rebalancing” of the justices between political parties.

So . . in the interest of helping our great nation arrive at an equitable solution which applies to ALL states, here goes my list of suggestions
  1. You cannnot collect slavery reparations if you moved here after the civil war. Period. Hard stop. Your ancestors were never slaves. And don't hurry to get your nieces and cousins over before the payout. Limited to ACTUAL descendants of slaves, not posers.
  2. You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.
  3. If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..
  4. A special tax – either one time, or ongoing – must be approved by congress to pay for slavery reparations. We are so NOT adding trillions more to the national debt because of this. Each american family already owes $300,000 in accululated federal debt– this is why we're all living paycheck to paycheck. And no cutting federal funding for things like public schools, medical care, veterans benefits, etc. to cover reparations. These are important programs too.
  5. The new tax – if and when it is implemented – is only applicable to you if your white ancestors arrived BEFORE the civil war. If they were refugees from world war 1, world war 2, korea, vietnam, etc … you can put a big fat zero in this line item on your tax return.
  6. Acceptance of the reparations payment, and/or depositing the check, releases all federal, county, and municipal governments from future lalitigation and liability over slavery. It is not an admission of guilt – reparations are a good faith effort to redress grievous mistakes made by a bunch of people who died hundreds of years ago.
  7. Chinese “coolie” labor, used to build parts of the transcontinental railroad, is not covered by this program
  8. Whites who were brought to America under similar contract worker programs during colonial times are also excluded from collecting reparations – nannies; farmhands; lumberjacks; miners; shipwrights; stonemasons – these men (and women) were paid for their work, and in many cases got free land when their contracts were up. Some even went on to own slaves . .
  9. Current H1B work visa holders are not eligible under this program. You may, in fact, be getting paid “below average wages” compared to native born programmers, engineers, and doctors . . .but you went into this with your eyes open. Look before you leap. You are NOT a slave, you're simply an exploited worker. And less exploited than uber drivers, Starbucks baristas, and amazon “pickers”.
Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their ancestral hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

Are we good then? Still want to proceed? Okay – I see a hand up in the back. Yes – Rhode Island – what is your question? Okay, I heard that – this week one of your Latinx politicians proposed slavery reparations, even though you were among the most northern and free-est liberal states among the 13 colonies. WTF are you thinking? You even proposed payouts to white Rhode Island residents. Explain to me – and to America – why this isn't just some crazy stunt to swing votes in an election. I'm waiting . ..
California proposed legislation is not for enslaved blacks.

About your suggestions.

You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.

What would stop Whites politicos from conducting mass arrest and show trials in order to deny payments.
It's not like we aren't in this situation because that would be something beneath them ?
Also, those rappers and successful blacks had the same ancestors as other descendants of slavery. Remember, reparations are the attempt to right a wrong you know in fact was committed against this population. Great or small makes no difference. Yet you seem to want to fold another wrong into the attempt to do right.


If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..

Again, it is the American govt that did the wrong here. Now you want the rules of the wrongdoers to prevail over the fact that it committed the wrong in the first place.

You seem to have the wrong idea about what happened.

THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is responsible for reparations, because it was the continuing government of these United States and not the ancestors of people today who acted upon those laws, that were responsible for what happened. Trying to pin it on certain individuals and not others is pointless. Everyone has the choice of being an American or under this government. Individuals get excluded from reparation payments by picking up and leaving America and its govt and settling in a place where slavery never existed.
 

Spamature

President
That's not quite true...A few did:

Confederacy approves Black soldiers

On March 13, 1865, with the main Rebel armies facing long odds against much larger Union armies, the Confederacy, in a desperate measure, reluctantly approves the use of Black troops.

The situation was bleak for the Confederates in the spring of 1865. The Yankees had captured large swaths of Southern territory, General William T. Sherman’s Union army was tearing through the Carolinas, and General Robert E. Lee was trying valiantly to hold the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, against General Ulysses S. Grant’s growing force. Lee and Confederate President Jefferson Davis had only two options. One was for Lee to unite with General Joseph Johnston’s army in the Carolinas and use the combined force to take on Sherman and Grant one at a time. The other option was to arm enslaved workers, the last source of fresh manpower in the Confederacy.

The idea of enlisting Black soldiers had been debated for some time. Arming enslaved workers was essentially a way of setting them free, since they could not realistically be sent back to plantations after they had fought. General Patrick Cleburne had suggested enlisting enslaved workers a year before, but few in the Confederate leadership considered the proposal, since slavery was the foundation of Southern society. One politician asked, “What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?” Another suggested, “If slaves will make good soldiers, our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Lee weighed in on the issue and asked the Confederate government for help. “We must decide whether slavery shall be extinguished by our enemies and the slaves be used against us, or use them ourselves.” Lee asked that the enslaved workers be freed as a condition of fighting, but the bill that passed the Confederate Congress on March 13, 1865, did not stipulate freedom for those who served.

The measure did nothing to stop the destruction of the Confederacy. Several thousand Black men were enlisted to fight for the Confederates, but they could not begin to balance out the nearly 200,000 Black soldiers who fought for the Union.



Confederacy approves Black soldiers - HISTORY



Seems like a moot point anyway - They've all been dead for quite some time.

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Sad, being made to fight for your own enslavement.
This is utterly shameful.
 

write on

Senator
View attachment 73228

Levar Burton was paid approx $20Kfor his role as Kunta Kinte in the mini series "Roots".
He went on to earn much more as a lead character in Star Trek.
HIs net worth is estimated at $8 million, not including his mansion in Sherman Oaks, CA.
Levar Burton would be eligible for "slavery reparations" under California's proposed plan.

I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

Reparations is an issue that needs guardrails around it – a national standard. I don't want some future supreme court case (“Ho v. Quaid”?) muddying the waters with a razor thin majority decision. One which declares some state programs legal, other illegal, and still others subject to 25 years of future litigation, as politicians hope for a “rebalancing” of the justices between political parties.

So . . in the interest of helping our great nation arrive at an equitable solution which applies to ALL states, here goes my list of suggestions
  1. You cannnot collect slavery reparations if you moved here after the civil war. Period. Hard stop. Your ancestors were never slaves. And don't hurry to get your nieces and cousins over before the payout. Limited to ACTUAL descendants of slaves, not posers.
  2. You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.
  3. If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..
  4. A special tax – either one time, or ongoing – must be approved by congress to pay for slavery reparations. We are so NOT adding trillions more to the national debt because of this. Each american family already owes $300,000 in accululated federal debt– this is why we're all living paycheck to paycheck. And no cutting federal funding for things like public schools, medical care, veterans benefits, etc. to cover reparations. These are important programs too.
  5. The new tax – if and when it is implemented – is only applicable to you if your white ancestors arrived BEFORE the civil war. If they were refugees from world war 1, world war 2, korea, vietnam, etc … you can put a big fat zero in this line item on your tax return.
  6. Acceptance of the reparations payment, and/or depositing the check, releases all federal, county, and municipal governments from future lalitigation and liability over slavery. It is not an admission of guilt – reparations are a good faith effort to redress grievous mistakes made by a bunch of people who died hundreds of years ago.
  7. Chinese “coolie” labor, used to build parts of the transcontinental railroad, is not covered by this program
  8. Whites who were brought to America under similar contract worker programs during colonial times are also excluded from collecting reparations – nannies; farmhands; lumberjacks; miners; shipwrights; stonemasons – these men (and women) were paid for their work, and in many cases got free land when their contracts were up. Some even went on to own slaves . .
  9. Current H1B work visa holders are not eligible under this program. You may, in fact, be getting paid “below average wages” compared to native born programmers, engineers, and doctors . . .but you went into this with your eyes open. Look before you leap. You are NOT a slave, you're simply an exploited worker. And less exploited than uber drivers, Starbucks baristas, and amazon “pickers”.
Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their ancestral hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

Are we good then? Still want to proceed? Okay – I see a hand up in the back. Yes – Rhode Island – what is your question? Okay, I heard that – this week one of your Latinx politicians proposed slavery reparations, even though you were among the most northern and free-est liberal states among the 13 colonies. WTF are you thinking? You even proposed payouts to white Rhode Island residents. Explain to me – and to America – why this isn't just some crazy stunt to swing votes in an election. I'm waiting . ..
Good read. And I'll be the devil's advocate.

Just after a few paragraphs, I read it as hope to put the final nail in the CRT coffin.

Slick
 
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Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The Louisiana Native Guard were union troops.

Active fighting ended less than three weeks after the law was passed, and there is no evidence that any black units were accepted into the Confederate Army as a result of the law. Whatever black combat service might have occurred during the war, it was not sanctioned by the Confederate government. Even beyond the Official Records, there is no known letter, diary entry, or any other primary source in which a Confederate mentions serving with black soldiers.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend | American Battlefield Trust (battlefields.org)
In Grey Uniforms
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
California proposed legislation is not for enslaved blacks.

About your suggestions.

You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.

What would stop Whites politicos from conducting mass arrest and show trials in order to deny payments.
It's not like we aren't in this situation because that would be something beneath them ?
Also, those rappers and successful blacks had the same ancestors as other descendants of slavery. Remember, reparations are the attempt to right a wrong you know in fact was committed against this population. Great or small makes no difference. Yet you seem to want to fold another wrong into the attempt to do right.


If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..

Again, it is the American govt that did the wrong here. Now you want the rules of the wrongdoers to prevail over the fact that it committed the wrong in the first place.

You seem to have the wrong idea about what happened.

THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is responsible for reparations, because it was the continuing government of these United States and not the ancestors of people today who acted upon those laws, that were responsible for what happened. Trying to pin it on certain individuals and not others is pointless. Everyone has the choice of being an American or under this government. Individuals get excluded from reparation payments by picking up and leaving America and its govt and settling in a place where slavery never existed.
Fascinating. The American government “did the wrong”. Not the actual slaveholders, slave traders, slave sellers, slave gatherers in Africa. Oh - and early in that food chain, the effort is multinational. But no other countries are relevant to American address of a buncha dead guys who were wronged - or their descendents. Slavery was a worldwide phenomenon, victimizing EVERY ethnicity through the human epoch. Redress of ancient historic grievance(s) is simply not possible without cartoonish repercussions and selective neglect. It just can’t be done. The OP is more parody combined with thought exercise than prescriptive sincerity, I think.

Go back far enough, we’ve all been hosed. So…address of the actual barbarity of the grievous wrong is NOT THE THING. Delivery of spoils to current aggrieved constituencies…THAT is the thing. Backdated intergenerational justice…retroactive righting of wrongs…these are figments of the imagination. All we can do is take ownership of today and do better.

Those who walk today are their brothers’ keepers. Living that is what we need to do.
 

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President
Fascinating. The American government “did the wrong”. Not the actual slaveholders, slave traders, slave sellers, slave gatherers in Africa. Oh - and early in that food chain, the effort is multinational. But no other countries are relevant to American address of a buncha dead guys who were wronged - or their descendents. Slavery was a worldwide phenomenon, victimizing EVERY ethnicity through the human epoch. Redress of ancient historic grievance(s) is simply not possible without cartoonish repercussions and selective neglect. It just can’t be done. The OP is more parody combined with thought exercise than prescriptive sincerity, I think.

Go back far enough, we’ve all been hosed. So…address of the actual barbarity of the grievous wrong is NOT THE THING. Delivery of spoils to current aggrieved constituencies…THAT is the thing. Backdated intergenerational justice…retroactive righting of wrongs…these are figments of the imagination. All we can do is take ownership of today and do better.

Those who walk today are their brothers’ keepers. Living that is what we need to do.
The American government allowed for human being to be held as slaves in the laws that founded this nation.
Had it not, then there would have been no slavery, end of story.

There is no need to point fingers anywhere else.
No other group of people in history were subjected to the kind of slavery practiced in the U.S.


American chattel slavery stand alone.

 

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Senator
Fascinating. The American government “did the wrong”. Not the actual slaveholders, slave traders, slave sellers, slave gatherers in Africa. Oh - and early in that food chain, the effort is multinational. But no other countries are relevant to American address of a buncha dead guys who were wronged - or their descendents. Slavery was a worldwide phenomenon, victimizing EVERY ethnicity through the human epoch. Redress of ancient historic grievance(s) is simply not possible without cartoonish repercussions and selective neglect. It just can’t be done. The OP is more parody combined with thought exercise than prescriptive sincerity, I think.

Go back far enough, we’ve all been hosed. So…address of the actual barbarity of the grievous wrong is NOT THE THING. Delivery of spoils to current aggrieved constituencies…THAT is the thing. Backdated intergenerational justice…retroactive righting of wrongs…these are figments of the imagination. All we can do is take ownership of today and do better.

Those who walk today are their brothers’ keepers. Living that is what we need to do.
There are new types of slavery that shouldn't be ignored. High bail for a misdemeanor is the start followed by scarce voting polls in Democrat precincts. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
 

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I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
My family legally immigrated to the United States in the early 1900s during the Bolshevik Revolution. My ancestors had to have sponsors and worked as share croppers until they could save enough money to buy their own land. We owned no slaves...didn't become citizens until over 45 years after Reconstruction.

My family owes nobody for slavery, as our ancestors weren't even here. Therefore, my family's tax money should go to nobody regarding reparations.
 
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