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I, too, am in favor of reparations.

Spamature

President
You called me racist just recently..................
Whine-On and since you're for reparations start handing out YOUR money to every slave you meet.

BTE: reparations is FREE MONEY
and not earned Money

walk the walk
instead of
talking the talk

Pay-Up or SU
Either you didn't read the top post or you need it explained to you.

Ask nice and I will explain it to you.
 

Spamature

President
You called me racist just recently..................
Whine-On and since you're for reparations start handing out YOUR money to every slave you meet.

BTE: reparations is FREE MONEY
and not earned Money

walk the walk
instead of
talking the talk

Pay-Up or SU
Are you through making up lies, or do you have another set of off topic whoppers you want to get out of your system ?
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
How is money worked for and paid to the govt free ?
If someone is taking money that someone else worked for then that's "free" to the person receiving it.

The reparations you speak of are racist. We've all had ancestors that were subjected to brutal conditions hundreds of years ago. No one is entitled to a free handout over it.


Around and around we go. Still circles back to the fact that you are a racist commie.
 

Spamature

President
If someone is taking money that someone else worked for then that's "free" to the person receiving it.

The reparations you speak of are racist. We've all had ancestors that were subjected to brutal conditions hundreds of years ago. No one is entitled to a free handout over it.


Around and around we go. Still circles back to the fact that you are a racist commie.
So, are all other types of investment returns on investment free handouts ?
When you invest in the stock of a company, or bonds, are your gains free handouts ?

Apparently you still haven't read the top post, or you can't understand it.
If you can't understand it. Then ask to have it explained to you.

I asked you which of anyone's ancestors were bred, branded, and sold at auction other than African Americans. You didn't answer because you know that only one group in the entire history of this nation was subjected to American Chattel Slavery.
No other group in this nation has been subjected to what black Americans have been subjected to, and you are LYING when you say that everyone suffered the horrors reserved for enslaved blacks.

Does the idea of blacks progressing as a whole frighten you ?
Is that why you keep coming up with lame excuses for your resistance to the idea of repairing the damage that has been left unaddressed for over 2 centuries.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
So, are all other types of investment returns on investment free handouts ?
When you invest in the stock of a company, or bonds, are your gains free handouts ?

Apparently you still haven't read the top post, or you can't understand it.
If you can't understand it. Then ask to have it explained to you.

I asked you which of anyone's ancestors were bred, branded, and sold at auction other than African Americans. You didn't answer because you know that only one group in the entire history of this nation was subjected to American Chattel Slavery.
No other group in this nation has been subjected to what black Americans have been subjected to, and you are LYING when you say that everyone suffered the horrors reserved for enslaved blacks.

Does the idea of blacks progressing as a whole frighten you ?
Is that why you keep coming up with lame excuses for your resistance to the idea of repairing the damage that has been left unaddressed for over 2 centuries.
The Irish
You whine and cry for reparations but haven't spent a dime of your money paying reparations, you're all Talk and no Walk.

How much did the Smash and Grabbers Invest?
 

Spamature

President
It's a free handout.....reserve for people of a certain skin color.

You're a racist commie.
Still with the rule breaking.
Is this your way of hoping your post get taken down because your excuse making has become a personal embarrassment ?

There is something in this for every skin color.
As long as they play the roles needed.

Corporate America would love this plan, and it's likely the whitest part of America there is...
 

Spamature

President
The Irish
You whine and cry for reparations but haven't spent a dime of your money paying reparations, you're all Talk and no Walk.

How much did the Smash and Grabbers Invest?
Show me where the Irish had their children sold from them at auction.
Otherwise, stop lying that contracted whites were the same as enslaved blacks.

Not nearly TRILLIONS stolen by Enslaving Rapist and Kidnappers made off their ancestors.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Still with the rule breaking.
Is this your way of hoping your post get taken down because your excuse making has become a personal embarrassment ?

There is something in this for every skin color.
As long as they play the roles needed.

Corporate America would love this plan, and it's likely the whitest part of America there is...
How is this something for "every skin color"_____________go
Tell readers the roles needed__________go
 

Spamature

President
How is this something for "every skin color"_____________go
Tell readers the roles needed__________go
See, you didn't read the top post, or you do not understand it.

Nor did you understand this sentence.

Corporate America would love this plan, and it's likely the whitest part of America there is...

Whites can make tons of money from this.
It is just that they will not benefit nearly as much as blacks.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
See, you didn't read the top post, or you do not understand it.

Nor did you understand this sentence.

Corporate America would love this plan, and it's likely the whitest part of America there is...

Whites can make tons of money from this.
It is just that they will not benefit nearly as much as blacks.
So, blacks will benefit more
So why are you whining
Blame your parents for being born black or STFU
 

trapdoor

Governor
We went over this immoral position when you took it up in the other thread. Those lives were not for the govt to trade, especially not for the debt of slavery. Ending a crime spree is not reparations for that crime spree.

In today's dollars, the labor of millions for hundreds of years runs into the trillions, not billions.

Nor did the govt do it to end slavery.
It was done to keep the union.
Slavery was ended when it was abolished under our Constitution.
Not a shot needed to be fired to do that.
All that was required was just took the stroke of a pen.

Our govt paid reparations to slave owners.
Now it just has to make reparations the people who didn't benefit from slavery.
There is nothing immoral about it. What is immoral is asking people alive today to provide reparations for harm they didn't cause. Under the U.S. Constitution the government may draft people into the military and use the military to put down insurrections -- those lives were indeed subject to the use of the U.S. government. (For what its worth, I disagree with the draft, but it's been challenged to SCOTUS and been determined to be constitutional).
Ending a crime spree is an interesting concept as, at least under U.S. laws, no crime was committed in regards to the practice of slavery -- slavery itself was completely legal and the "Great Emancipator" himself had said he would not tamper with the institution -- he merely didn't want it expanded into new states. The only "crime" committed inregards to the politics of the Civil War was secession, and there was no law on the books making it illegal when it occurred.
Having said all that, from 1863 on the war was about ending slavery. This was among the reason Lincoln acted via the Emancipation Proclamation, and why he worked in the last weeks of his life to pass the 13th and 14th Amendments insuring that slavery could not be reinstated at the end of hostilities. The "stroke of a pen" was actually merely paperwork that provided a receipt for the lives/dollars already spent. America thus paid for slavery, if it owned anything.
 

Spamature

President
Now what BOY
First and foremost, the West Indies isn't the United States of America. What happened there has nothing to do with reparations for chattel slavery here in America.

But in response to your now what ?

This.



 

Spamature

President
So, blacks will benefit more
So why are you whining
Blame your parents for being born black or STFU
You should really just admit that you don't understand it.
You won't learn by lashing out at your own ignorance.
Just ask for an explanation.
 

Spamature

President
There is nothing immoral about it. What is immoral is asking people alive today to provide reparations for harm they didn't cause. Under the U.S. Constitution the government may draft people into the military and use the military to put down insurrections -- those lives were indeed subject to the use of the U.S. government. (For what its worth, I disagree with the draft, but it's been challenged to SCOTUS and been determined to be constitutional).
Ending a crime spree is an interesting concept as, at least under U.S. laws, no crime was committed in regards to the practice of slavery -- slavery itself was completely legal and the "Great Emancipator" himself had said he would not tamper with the institution -- he merely didn't want it expanded into new states. The only "crime" committed inregards to the politics of the Civil War was secession, and there was no law on the books making it illegal when it occurred.
Having said all that, from 1863 on the war was about ending slavery. This was among the reason Lincoln acted via the Emancipation Proclamation, and why he worked in the last weeks of his life to pass the 13th and 14th Amendments insuring that slavery could not be reinstated at the end of hostilities. The "stroke of a pen" was actually merely paperwork that provided a receipt for the lives/dollars already spent. America thus paid for slavery, if it owned anything.
The plan does not ask for that.
It's the most generous offer imaginable under the circumstance of the atrocity it's meant to repair. Actually, it would be immoral to be against it. I can't imagine how anyone could say that paying for your own repair is immoral. I suppose the moral thing to do is to live with the open wound, so that others will feel better about ignoring it and the history behind it.

Yes, that war was fought to preserve the Union. The stroke of the pen could have been included when the Constitution was created. The choice, and it was a choice, to keep blacks enslaved, could have been decided the other way from the start. The debt was created along with the country.
 

trapdoor

Governor
The plan does not ask for that.
It's the most generous offer imaginable under the circumstance of the atrocity it's meant to repair. Actually, it would be immoral to be against it. I can't imagine how anyone could say that paying for your own repair is immoral. I suppose the moral thing to do is to live with the open wound, so that others will feel better about ignoring it and the history behind it.

Yes, that war was fought to preserve the Union. The stroke of the pen could have been included when the Constitution was created. The choice, and it was a choice, to keep blacks enslaved, could have been decided the other way from the start. The debt was created along with the country.
Your plan pursues a myth -- that it would somehow be revenue neutral. Unless you just mean "fire up the printing presses" that is an impossibility. I can't imagine asking someone's great, great, great, great grandchildren to provide reimbursement for a "crime" committed by their ancestors. My grandfather illegally ran gill nets in the Lamine River and illegally sold the fish he netted -- he was guilty of a crime. I'm not, I wouldn't know how to operate a net, or how to manage a farm with slaves for that matter.

The war began with the goal of saving the Union, but ended with the cause of ending slavery. If it had been solely about the Union, the former CSA states could have retained slavery after the war. If it had been solely about the Union, the half-congress that existed wouldn't have ratified the 13th and 14th amendments.
The debt was paid, and a receipt was provided.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The plan does not ask for that.
It's the most generous offer imaginable under the circumstance of the atrocity it's meant to repair. Actually, it would be immoral to be against it. I can't imagine how anyone could say that paying for your own repair is immoral. I suppose the moral thing to do is to live with the open wound, so that others will feel better about ignoring it and the history behind it.

Yes, that war was fought to preserve the Union. The stroke of the pen could have been included when the Constitution was created. The choice, and it was a choice, to keep blacks enslaved, could have been decided the other way from the start. The debt was created along with the country.
NO amount of money could ever "repair" what happened
If reparations are paid then the next day there will be something else and the day after that as well.

(give'em an inch and they will want a mile)
 

Spamature

President
Your plan pursues a myth -- that it would somehow be revenue neutral. Unless you just mean "fire up the printing presses" that is an impossibility. I can't imagine asking someone's great, great, great, great grandchildren to provide reimbursement for a "crime" committed by their ancestors. My grandfather illegally ran gill nets in the Lamine River and illegally sold the fish he netted -- he was guilty of a crime. I'm not, I wouldn't know how to operate a net, or how to manage a farm with slaves for that matter.

The war began with the goal of saving the Union, but ended with the cause of ending slavery. If it had been solely about the Union, the former CSA states could have retained slavery after the war. If it had been solely about the Union, the half-congress that existed wouldn't have ratified the 13th and 14th amendments.
The debt was paid, and a receipt was provided.
If it's a loan, on taxes that are paid annually. This means it's guaranteed by money already in circulation. Corporate financing from partnerships and the private banking system can get it done based upon that asset. In fact, private enterprise would be eager to get in on the proposal, considering the benefits available to them. The Fed doesn't need to be involved. If the initial funding comes from black taxpayers, then they are paying for their own, not others are paying for them.

If that illegal fishing paid for the estate you inherited ?
Do, you think it is right not to repay what was stolen out of the benefit you enjoy today ? Do you believe the estate should be yours unencumbered by the debt of that theft ? It is the same question as if your family had stolen a painting from the National Archives. Do you get to keep and profit it because your ancestor got away with the original theft ? Or does it still belong to the people of this nation it was stolen from ?

If you can explain to me how ending slavery repairs the damage from slavery, then I might understand your point. But just not continuing to keep people enslaved does nothing to repair the damage cause by the act itself.

It's like saying, I stopped beating you, so that repair the bones I broke by be beating you in the first place. We went over this before. Pulling out the 9-inch knife, you stab someone with, 3, 6, or all 9 inches does not repair the wound caused by that knife.
 
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