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I, too, am in favor of reparations.

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President
So where is the money you suggest be found?
The money can come from where all business ventures are financed. The promissory note is the outlined in the proposal. It is the collateral that can be borrowed against through the normal course of business.
 

Spamature

President
Slavery & Jim Crow are things of the long ago past. Nobody who was a slave is alive today. Almost nobody alive today, experienced Jim Crow.

But millions of white victims of AA alive today, HAVE experienced that victimization over the past 58 years, and still do right this minute.

YES, America has really spoiled its black citizens. Unquestionably. With AA, ARP, CRT, and caving in to various demands of theirs under threat of riots + pandering for VOTES in black majority districts (ex. the imprisonment of Police Office Michael Slager in N. Charleston, South Carolina, and the jailig of Derek Chauvin from the George Floyd death, falsely portrayed as murder)
It has been continuous assault against blacks in America from the start.
From slavery to the to the War on Drugs.
Let not forget its purpose and stated objectives.

“You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?


We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

AA benefited white women more than any other group.


White billionaires benefited from the ARP more than any other group. Their wealth skyrocketed from that giant dose of govt stimulus.

CRT isn't taught in schools and if it wasit would educate whites for more about race in this country than it would blacks who have lived the experiences. In fact right now one of your heroes DeSantis is trying to erase black history in America after American slavery had already erased any history of black Americans before they arrived here.

It has never ended for them.
And you don't want to see them have the economic freedom them to end it themselves.

It's just plain evil, that's all it is.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The money can come from where all business ventures are financed. The promissory note is the outlined in the proposal. It is the collateral that can be borrowed against through the normal course of business.
That makes no sense. Who pays the loan back? Seems like you are saying government guarantees loans to black individuals, regardless of need or credit. Do you really think that will be paid back by the borrower? How about all the African Americans who have paid no income tax, their entire lives? Those who have been on some form of welfare their entire lives would qualify for what?
 

protectionist

Governor
You complained about then conceded that what I said happened, happened. No need to try and make excuses for it.
Because the excuses don't change what happened, and its end result.
Also this thread is not about the experiences of native Americans. It is about the kidnap victims made into native Americans through the erasure of their self history, but were denied the status of Americans at the same time.
As I recall, NAs were given the opportunity to be part of the USA, They declined.

As for "excuses" I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know of anybody needing an excuse for anything.
 

protectionist

Governor
It has been continuous assault against blacks in America from the start.
From slavery to the to the War on Drugs.
Let not forget its purpose and stated objectives.

“You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?


We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”


AA benefited white women more than any other group.


White billionaires benefited from the ARP more than any other group. Their wealth skyrocketed from that giant dose of govt stimulus.

CRT isn't taught in schools and if it wasit would educate whites for more about race in this country than it would blacks who have lived the experiences. In fact right now one of your heroes DeSantis is trying to erase black history in America after American slavery had already erased any history of black Americans before they arrived here.

It has never ended for them.
And you don't want to see them have the economic freedom them to end it themselves.

It's just plain evil, that's all it is.
FALSE! Your hysterical ravings do nothing more than display your deep, dupe programming into ludicrous con jobs. NO, there is NOT any "continuous assault against blacks in America from the start"

What a moronic thing to say about people who are super-privileged, with discriminations that benefit them in a whole myriad of ways. You are beyond deprogramming. Lost cause, I suspect.

Do I understand what you are saying ? What I understand is that you are bonkers.

I have 1,000 times, refuted the old, worn-out, never correct talking point > "AA benefited white women more than any other group." You never got the memo ? Sheeesh!

As for white women victimized by AA, that occurs in 2 ways:

1. By AA programs that grant preference only to blacks (like the one that once denied me, and 7 non-black women) a graduate school assistantship.

2. The 118 million white women in America, who are daughters or wives of white men being discriminated against, by race-based Affirmative Action.

Information-deprived liberals need tutoring. On MSM, they don't get it. Here they do.

Who told you "White billionaires benefited from the ARP more than any other group" ? Sounds like the typical BS administered in heavy doses to gullible liberals, on the left fake news media.

It would awfully hard for ANY whites to have benefitted from the anti-white racist ARP, when the program distinctly discriminated against them. You don't have to take MY word for it - you've got the word of the federal courts.

Federal Court: Biden’s Rescue Plan Is Racist Against Whites, And Therefore Unconstitutional (tampafp.com)

Yet Another Federal Court Tells Biden That He Can’t Exclude White People From His Relief Programs (forbes.com)
 
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Spamature

President
That makes no sense. Who pays the loan back? Seems like you are saying government guarantees loans to black individuals, regardless of need or credit. Do you really think that will be paid back by the borrower? How about all the African Americans who have paid no income tax, their entire lives? Those who have been on some form of welfare their entire lives would qualify for what?
That is what the annual borrowing is for.
It is in 3 phases of 25 yrs. Year I repayment starts in yr 26. That is done two more times with each phases repayment starting in its loan's 26th yr. This will take a century. But black Americans have had to wait for 160 yrs so far. So even the waiting to be paid back is less than the wait for the loan.

As I have said, paying for your own reparation is already unheard of. I know of not other group that has had to or even offered to pay the cost of what was done to them while letting the perpetrators keep their stolen wealth and their consciences clean as they continue to benefit from that theft. This is an absolute gift compared to what was stolen and how it was stolen.

Let's be honest. Whites will never endeavor to fix the problems in black America. But it is really shocking to see the resistance that whites have to black doing for themselves, knowing they need but don't have the capital to do it.
And the reason they don't have the capital is at the root of the problem itself.

You ask about black who never paid taxes. This is about making them taxpayers going forward. Enough taxes are collected from the portion of black Americans who were the descendants of slaves to make this possible. It will take more than a generation to do it. Each phase grows off the previous stage in creating educated, home owning, taxpayers in masse. That is why it's in 3 stages. Mortgage income alone would suffice to repay the principle of the loan once that program's first stage is mature.
 
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Spamature

President
FALSE! Your hysterical ravings do nothing more than display your deep, dupe programming into ludicrous con jobs. NO, there is NOT any "continuous assault against blacks in America from the start"

What a moronic thing to say about people who are super-privileged, with discriminations that benefit them in a whole myriad of ways. You are beyond deprogramming. Lost cause, I suspect.

Do I understand what you are saying ? What I understand is that you are bonkers.

I have 1,000 times, refuted the old, worn-out, never correct talking point > "AA benefited white women more than any other group." You never got the memo ? Sheeesh!

As for white women victimized by AA, that occurs in 2 ways:

1. By AA programs that grant preference only to blacks (like the one that once denied me, and 7 non-black women) a graduate school assistantship.

2. The 118 million white women in America, who are daughters or wives of white men being discriminated against, by race-based Affirmative Action.

Information-deprived liberals need tutoring. On MSM, they don't get it. Here they do.

Who told you "White billionaires benefited from the ARP more than any other group" ? Sounds like the typical BS administered in heavy doses to gullible liberals, on the left fake news media.

It would awfully hard for ANY whites to have benefitted from the anti-white racist ARP, when the program distinctly discriminated against them. You don't have to take MY word for it - you've got the word of the federal courts.

Federal Court: Biden’s Rescue Plan Is Racist Against Whites, And Therefore Unconstitutional (tampafp.com)

Yet Another Federal Court Tells Biden That He Can’t Exclude White People From His Relief Programs (forbes.com)
Maybe you should start a thread about ARP, AA and any of your other gripes about what whites are doing to other whites. Because this thread is about reparations for slavery. I am not going to chase you into the weeds. If you have something to say on the actual topic then posted it.
Otherwise you are in the wrong thread.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That is what the annual borrowing is for.
It is in 3 phases of 25 yrs. Year I repayment starts in yr 26. That is done two more times with each phases repayment starting in its loan's 26th yr. This will take a century. But black Americans have had to wait for 160 yrs so far. So even the waiting to be paid back is less than the wait for the loan.

As I have said, paying for your own reparation is already unheard of. I know of not other group that has had to or even offered to pay the cost of what was done to them while letting the perpetrators keep their stolen wealth and their consciences clean as they continue to benefit from that theft. This is an absolute gift compared to what was stolen and how it was stolen.

Let's be honest. Whites will never endeavor to fix the problems in black America. But it is really shocking to see the resistance that whites have to black doing for themselves, knowing they need but don't have the capital to do it.
And the reason they don't have the capital is at the root of the problem itself.

You ask about black who never paid taxes. This is about making them taxpayers going forward. Enough taxes are collected from the portion of black Americans who were the descendants of slaves to make this possible. It will take more than a generation to do it. Each phase grows off the previous stage in creating educated, home owning, taxpayers in masse. That is why it's in 3 stages. Mortgage income alone would suffice to repay the principle of the loan once that program's first stage is mature.
Whole lot of smoke and mirrors there.

So any individual who is black qualifies? What about those who emigrated to this country in the last 50 years? How about blacks who have no evidence of a slave in their family line? How about someone who currently is making $500k per year. Should Obama or Ben Carson? Should they apply for an interest free 25 year loan?
Who qualifies? My niece and nephew are children of my white sister and her black husband. They are now in their 30s and making 6 figures...do they qualify? Their kids, who are both in grade school and growing up in million dollar homes. Do they qualify?

What about someone who has been on welfare their entire lives? How much money should they get?

Any compensation for families that lost a loved one fighting on the Union side in the civil war?

Your whole plan is a giveaway with little chance of success or even acceptance.
How many people who get a loan will still be alive in year 26?
 

Spamature

President
Whole lot of smoke and mirrors there.

So any individual who is black qualifies? What about those who emigrated to this country in the last 50 years? How about blacks who have no evidence of a slave in their family line? How about someone who currently is making $500k per year. Should Obama or Ben Carson? Should they apply for an interest free 25 year loan?
Who qualifies? My niece and nephew are children of my white sister and her black husband. They are now in their 30s and making 6 figures...do they qualify? Their kids, who are both in grade school and growing up in million dollar homes. Do they qualify?

What about someone who has been on welfare their entire lives? How much money should they get?

Any compensation for families that lost a loved one fighting on the Union side in the civil war?

Your whole plan is a giveaway with little chance of success or even acceptance.
How many people who get a loan will still be alive in year 26?
About 80% of the US black population are descendants of slavery.
So yes, being black is pretty much required to be eligible for the reparations program, and most definitely is having a ancestor who was enslaved in this country. So immigrants would not qualify regardless of their skin color. This is about what America did to a specific group of Americans.

Tracing lineage has it own dedicated component in this program. It's sole purpose would be recreating family histories using what ever can data be researched and made available. Income is not an issue, only lineage. If either Obama or Carson is the descendant of a slave then they are in.
Yes, your neices would qualify. In fact people already making good incomes are needed for the mortgage program. The greater their ability to pay opens up opportunities to offer loans to other who are not doing as well. The mortgage is on the property. If they die it goes to the closest relative or whom ever is willed the property. They would have the freedom to keep it in the family or to sell it back to the program and receive what was paid on the property back. This would allow another family the opportunity to own the home.

Someone on welfare their entire lives would get the opportunity to get better employment of even the ability to start a business themselves within the program. The have the opportunity to get an education under this program, or they get the chance to own a home the can pass on. These all come with fulfilling qualifications, and help in getting to the point where one can fulfill them. The goal is that if you put in the effort there is a guaranteed opportunity for you to make something into a success.

Well if you believe that black Americans are so inferior, or beat down over the centuries that they could not make a success out of this opportunity. Then that is just how you see them. I believe the opposite.
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
About 80% of the US black population are descendants of slavery.
So yes, being black is pretty much required to be eligible for the reparations program, and most definitely is having a ancestor who was enslaved in this country. So immigrants would not qualify regardless of their skin color. This is about what America did to a specific group of Americans.

Tracing lineage has it own dedicated component in this program. It's sole purpose would be recreating family histories using what ever can data be researched and made available. Income is not an issue, only lineage. If either Obama or Carson is the descendant of a slave then they are in.
Yes, your neices would qualify. In fact people already making good incomes are needed for the mortgage program. The greater their ability to pay opens up opportunities to offer loans to other who are not doing as well. The mortgage is on the property. If they die it goes to the closest relative or whom ever is willed the property. They would have the freedom to keep it in the family or to sell it back to the program and recieve what was paid on the property back. This would allow another family the opportunity to own the home.

Someone on welfare their entire lives would get the opportunity to get better employment of even the ability to start a business themselves within the program. The have the opportunity to get an education under this program, or they get the chance to own a home the can pass on. These all come with fulfilling qualifications, and help in getting to the point where one can fulfill them.

Well if you believe that black Americans are so inferior, or beat down over the centuries that they could not make a success out of this opportunity. Then that is just how you see them. I believe the opposite.
A whole lot of wishful thinking there. So a homeless person gets a loan. For how much? I started a business. That cost a lot to start up. I had a son who had a business degree and support from our franchisor to train up our new employees.

How again will someone who never ran a business do a startup. It isn't something that comes to you because you want it to. More than half of all startups fail. How will you collect the loan then?

No. There is nothing about this plan of yours that even comes close to a success.
 

Spamature

President
A whole lot of wishful thinking there. So a homeless person gets a loan. For how much? I started a business. That cost a lot to start up. I had a son who had a business degree and support from our franchisor to train up our new employees.

How again will someone who never ran a business do a startup. It isn't something that comes to you because you want it to. More than half of all startups fail. How will you collect the loan then?

No. There is nothing about this plan of yours that even comes close to a success.
A person in the state of on the street homelessness wouldn't get a loan.
What would be the point of that. The help they would need is many steps before that.

Every opportunity comes with fulfilling the qualification set for that opportunity.
Providing the help and resources to get there is the point. The whole point of drawing in corporate partners is to provide some of that expertise. Being tax free on these projects in the form of having all of their taxes refunded to them by the program is the draw for them to become involved.

Also under the program startups will benefit from having a customer base that have been given credits that apply to their businesses. This will help to create a loyal customer bases for startups. Sure some project will fail, but over the course of time what works and which directions to head can be most successful. I suppose creating larger brands and franchising them might be the best route but who knows, because the future is always unknown.

Anyway America has lost a lot more than what would expend here in all kinds of efforts.
We loan money to failing nations, fight wars for decades with no positives outcomes, pour tons of welfare into multinational corporations. How is America trying to right its original sin, and help its own people who it harmed for centuries, not more worthwhile than all those efforts put together ?
 

protectionist

Governor
Maybe you should start a thread about ARP, AA and any of your other gripes about what whites are doing to other whites. Because this thread is about reparations for slavery. I am not going to chase you into the weeds. If you have something to say on the actual topic then posted it.
Otherwise you are in the wrong thread.
Topics more than anything, are defined by OP TITLES. The title of this thread is >>
I, too, am in favor of reparations

OK, well I am in favor of reparations. I just happen to be in favor of reparations for a different group than you are, and for a different reason, and for a time frame that is current - whereas your time frame is long expired, and the people who might have got the reparations for your subject (slavery), are all dead.
 

protectionist

Governor
Whole lot of smoke and mirrors there.

So any individual who is black qualifies? What about those who emigrated to this country in the last 50 years? How about blacks who have no evidence of a slave in their family line? How about someone who currently is making $500k per year. Should Obama or Ben Carson? Should they apply for an interest free 25 year loan?
Who qualifies? My niece and nephew are children of my white sister and her black husband. They are now in their 30s and making 6 figures...do they qualify? Their kids, who are both in grade school and growing up in million dollar homes. Do they qualify?

What about someone who has been on welfare their entire lives? How much money should they get?

Any compensation for families that lost a loved one fighting on the Union side in the civil war?

Your whole plan is a giveaway with little chance of success or even acceptance.
How many people who get a loan will still be alive in year 26?
A lot of good questions here. Are we going to get any answers to them ?
 

protectionist

Governor
That is what the annual borrowing is for.
It is in 3 phases of 25 yrs. Year I repayment starts in yr 26. That is done two more times with each phases repayment starting in its loan's 26th yr. This will take a century. But black Americans have had to wait for 160 yrs so far. So even the waiting to be paid back is less than the wait for the loan.

As I have said, paying for your own reparation is already unheard of. I know of not other group that has had to or even offered to pay the cost of what was done to them while letting the perpetrators keep their stolen wealth and their consciences clean as they continue to benefit from that theft. This is an absolute gift compared to what was stolen and how it was stolen.

Let's be honest. Whites will never endeavor to fix the problems in black America. But it is really shocking to see the resistance that whites have to black doing for themselves, knowing they need but don't have the capital to do it.
And the reason they don't have the capital is at the root of the problem itself.

You ask about black who never paid taxes. This is about making them taxpayers going forward. Enough taxes are collected from the portion of black Americans who were the descendants of slaves to make this possible. It will take more than a generation to do it. Each phase grows off the previous stage in creating educated, home owning, taxpayers in masse. That is why it's in 3 stages. Mortgage income alone would suffice to repay the principle of the loan once that program's first stage is mature.
In 1983, I started a business on about $35. As customers came in, their payments became the start up capital. I did this with a few bucks from a low paying, non -college related job. the business expanded and became successful.

The blacks who got assistantships at my graduate school, from Affirmative Action, later got their Masters degrees (after I was forced to drop out), and got much higher paying jobs than I had. Regarding starting a business, they were all better able to "have the capital to do it' than I was.
 

Spamature

President
Topics more than anything, are defined by OP TITLES. The title of this thread is >>
I, too, am in favor of reparations

OK, well I am in favor of reparations. I just happen to be in favor of reparations for a different group than you are, and for a different reason, and for a time frame that is current - whereas your time frame is long expired, and the people who might have got the reparations for your subject (slavery), are all dead.
Then make a thread how you are against the already distributed reparations for Native Americans.
I have already said if you think whites are entitled to reparation for what you believe the govt has done to them then fine. I support your right to believe and would ask you how you expect to achieve this goal.


So tell me how you think the govt should go about repairing the damage you claim it did to the whites in America ?
 

Spamature

President
In 1983, I started a business on about $35. As customers came in, their payments became the start up capital. I did this with a few bucks from a low paying, non -college related job. the business expanded and became successful.

The blacks who got assistantships at my graduate school, from Affirmative Action, later got their Masters degrees (after I was forced to drop out), and got much higher paying jobs than I had. Regarding starting a business, they were all better able to "have the capital to do it' than I was.
What about all the living black people who could not get a job because the company only hired whites for the position they were applying for. Many of those people are here today and could tell stories that make yours seem like a gift from heaven. Their women and children were cheated out of even than you could ever say your were denied by their placement. You know for a fact that racism is exactly when AA existed in the first place.

But again this thread is not about some act of discrimination. It is about repairing the damage this country inflicted on one group of people ONLY from its start until they finally released them from that horror.
 

trapdoor

Governor
The US govt surely took action when it came to enforcing slavery by both law and it's action.
It had a chance to abondon slavery at the founding of the nation.
If they have no authority then the Constitution isn't the supreme law of the land.
But we both know that is not true.
Slavery was not happenstance it was intentional and codified in law by this US govt.
If you say this was not the wrong of all wrongs and our original sin.
Then there is no wrong you can say this govt has ever done.
Because everything it has ever done or allowed to be done to others pales in comparison, EVERYTHING !
Yes, the government took action, fighting a war and killing 750,000 people to end the practice.
That Is all anyone is owed 160 years after it was done.
 

Spamature

President
Yes, the government took action, fighting a war and killing 750,000 people to end the practice.
That Is all anyone is owed 160 years after it was done.
Are you saying that had the South agreed to free those it had enslaved the North would have allowed those states to leave the Union, and there would have been no war ?

Yes or No ?
 

trapdoor

Governor
Are you saying that had the South agreed to free those it had enslaved the North would have allowed those states to leave the Union, and there would have been no war ?

Yes or No ?
No, I’m saying we fought a war ending slavery. No one alive experienced American slavery and no one alive is due reparations for the experience of slavery.
 
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