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EatTheRich

President
Unreal...you equate Stalin's murder of millions to that war to end slavery. The murders of millions of Chinese people was not the same as the war against the fascism that invaded Europe or the imperial occupation of China, Vietnam and Korea.
Stalin’s reversal of Lenin’s political course and the mass murder occasioned by it was cheered by every anticommunist current in the world, and resisted by communists and communists alone. The mass killings in China reflect a reliance on similar capitalist methods but they did put an end to millennia of chronic famine.
 

EatTheRich

President
Should we have stood by to let Hitler conquer Russia? Should we have known that soviet troops would stay in those countries and impose communist governments?
1. Certainly not.
2. The imperialist powers may well have hoped Stalin would continue his course of sabotaging every effort to build socialism, but the possibility that their Cold War aggression would prompt a temporary lurch to the left on his part was in retrospect not remote.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. Certainly not.
2. The imperialist powers may well have hoped Stalin would continue his course of sabotaging every effort to build socialism, but the possibility that their Cold War aggression would prompt a temporary lurch to the left on his part was in retrospect not remote.
What countries became dictatorships after communists took over?
 

EatTheRich

President
Every single Eastern European country overtaken by Russia in the formation of the Soviet Union. What the hell is this some kind of joke?
???

Constant-dollar gross national income per capita in the USSR (despite being a metric that understates socialist success by disregarding wealth spent on consumer satisfaction outside commercial markets) nearly doubled from 1913 to 1950, making greater gains in that period than the U.S. or Western Europe and surpassing Japan. Eastern European Soviet republics went from largely illiterate peasant societies with little access to electricity or modern transportation to industrial powerhouses.
 

EatTheRich

President
What countries became dictatorships after communists took over?
Where the government was explicitly anti-communist and power remained in the hands of the bourgeoisie.

*a response to your “Venezuela” comment, I quoted the wrong post-ETR (edit 2/1)
 
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EatTheRich

President
What countries became dictatorships after communists took over?
The Soviet Union, Cuba, Grenada, and Burkina Faso. Taking “communists” in a looser sense to mean the victorious proletariat, every “communist” country besides Chile and Nicaragua (where the shortcomings of a democratic road to socialism was revealed when the anti communists made it clear they wouldn’t stand on ceremony).
 

EatTheRich

President
What communist country have you lived in? Which one would you choose to live in?

When are you leaving?
1. None.
2. Cuba is the only quasi-communist country in the world and even there their political leadership is deformed by Stalinist ideology and international capitalist pressure.
3. I’m not. Sorry to disappoint you.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. None.
2. Cuba is the only quasi-communist country in the world and even there their political leadership is deformed by Stalinist ideology and international capitalist pressure.
3. I’m not. Sorry to disappoint you.
So there are no examples of communism that you find attractive, but spend your energy here criticizing the US.
 

EatTheRich

President
So there are no examples of communism that you find attractive, but spend your energy here criticizing the US.
No, my point was that there are no countries led by communists. Communists give critical support to the deformed workers’ states despite, not because of, the Stalinist regimes in those states employing brutal methods in their efforts to contain communism’s advance; and in fact nothing has weakened those Stalinist regimes more than the advance of world communism. Communism is a worldwide movement of labor’s advance toward controlling its own economic and political destiny, and the establishment of workers’ states is one front in its worldwide struggle. It is to communism that we can be grateful that the U.S. is no longer the scene of widespread child labor or segregated drinking fountains. The restoration of capitalism in the former USSR (that is, the hard-won victory of Stalin and his political heirs) meant a plummeting of living standards in the U.S. as well as in the former USSR.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No, my point was that there are no countries led by communists. Communists give critical support to the deformed workers’ states despite, not because of, the Stalinist regimes in those states employing brutal methods in their efforts to contain communism’s advance; and in fact nothing has weakened those Stalinist regimes more than the advance of world communism. Communism is a worldwide movement of labor’s advance toward controlling its own economic and political destiny, and the establishment of workers’ states is one front in its worldwide struggle. It is to communism that we can be grateful that the U.S. is no longer the scene of widespread child labor or segregated drinking fountains. The restoration of capitalism in the former USSR (that is, the hard-won victory of Stalin and his political heirs) meant a plummeting of living standards in the U.S. as well as in the former USSR.
Wow....so communists passed regulations that eliminated Jim Crow or segregation?
Name the communists responsible for that.

The living standards in the US declined because the USSR fell apart? Not how I remember it. Seems like a giant leap to me.

Child labor goes back to the days of cavemen when kids were expected to work to help the family. In the days of family farms they were expected to help plant crops and help with livestock. In 1938 congress passed the FLSA that banned some forms of child labor.

 

EatTheRich

President
Wow....so communists passed regulations that eliminated Jim Crow or segregation?
Name the communists responsible for that.
W.E.B. DuBois: co-founded NAACP
Leon Trotsky: first to propose civil rights march on Washington
A. Philip Randolph: main founder of March on Washington movement
Bayard Rustin: main organizer of March on Washington
Rosa Parks: spearheaded Montgomery bus boycott
Among many others
The living standards in the US declined because the USSR fell apart? Not how I remember it. Seems like a giant leap to me.
With Soviet socialism out of the picture and Cuban socialism fighting for its life, the bosses felt less need to make concessions to organized labor to keep the working class in line. Hence the broad antilabor offensive opened up under Clinton, the effects of which have been obvious.

Child labor goes back to the days of cavemen when kids were expected to work to help the family. In the days of family farms they were expected to help plant crops and help with livestock. In 1938 congress passed the FLSA that banned some forms of child labor.

Even as per your link the passage of the first national child labor bill coincided almost exactly with the Russian revolution and the court allowed the bill to go into effect following the rise of the communist-led CIO unions and the decade of the “Red Thirties.”
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
W.E.B. DuBois: co-founded NAACP
Leon Trotsky: first to propose civil rights march on Washington
A. Philip Randolph: main founder of March on Washington movement
Bayard Rustin: main organizer of March on Washington
Rosa Parks: spearheaded Montgomery bus boycott
Among many others

With Soviet socialism out of the picture and Cuban socialism fighting for its life, the bosses felt less need to make concessions to organized labor to keep the working class in line. Hence the broad antilabor offensive opened up under Clinton, the effects of which have been obvious.


Even as per your link the passage of the first national child labor bill coincided almost exactly with the Russian revolution and the court allowed the bill to go into effect following the rise of the communist-led CIO unions and the decade of the “Red Thirties.”
I can find nothing linking WEB Dubois to the communist party.
Du Bois wrote "I am not a communist ... On the other hand, I ... believe ... that Karl Marx ... put his finger squarely upon our difficulties ...".[280]

A. Philip Randolph was a socialist, not a communist.

I'm not going to research each and every name, since you seem to think socialists are communists.

At the direction of the Soviet Union, the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and its members were active in supporting civil rights for African Americans.[18] The CPUSA, at the time following Stalin's "theory of nationalism", favored the creation of a separate nation for African Americans to be located in the American Southeast where the greatest proportion of the black population was concentrated
 

EatTheRich

President
I can find nothing linking WEB Dubois to the communist party.
Du Bois wrote "I am not a communist ... On the other hand, I ... believe ... that Karl Marx ... put his finger squarely upon our difficulties ...".[280]

A. Philip Randolph was a socialist, not a communist.

I'm not going to research each and every name, since you seem to think socialists are communists.

At the direction of the Soviet Union, the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and its members were active in supporting civil rights for African Americans.[18] The CPUSA, at the time following Stalin's "theory of nationalism", favored the creation of a separate nation for African Americans to be located in the American Southeast where the greatest proportion of the black population was concentrated
DuBois was in the Socialist Party when it was the revolutionary party led by Debs. Randolph was in the IWW.
 

EatTheRich

President
so no difference between socialist and communist? Really?
Both terms were used by Marx, Lenin, Debs, etc. to refer to their revolutionary proletarian program. The difference between genuine communists and social-democratic misleaders of the sort found leading the Socialist Party today is in the program, not the name of the organization. As the Communist Party degenerated into Stalinism, the splinter party that stepped in to carry on the revolutionary tradition in the U.S. was called the SOCIALIST Workers Party.
 
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