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US 'going to take care of' Chinese 'spy balloon', Biden says

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Is there no depth of pedantry you won't plumb in your obsequious pursuit of political perfidy?
Hey we got 2 new words today ! whoot whoot
ped·ant·ry
[ˈped(ə)ntrē]

NOUN
  1. excessive concern with minor details and rules:
per·fi·dy
[ˈpərfədē]

NOUN
LITERARY
  1. deceitfulness; untrustworthiness:
 

Zam-Zam

Senator

Another example of why people think Joe Biden is weak.

Frankly the Biden administration has been lying through their teeth about why they have not shot down this Chinese spy balloon yet.

The story that they have been trying to pass off is that it would be too dangerous to shoot the thing down. This is complete bullshit - At the time the balloon was sighted it was over one of the least densely parts of the United States and the odds of falling debris actually hurting anyone if it was crashed was negligible. Face it - old satellites crashing to earth happen all of the time and where they crash cannot be determined to any great accuracy. With this balloon the government could have picked the location where to shoot it down fully knowing where it would fall. They haven't done this. I have no idea what this spy balloon is capable of accomplishing, it is true that low flying satellites can more accurately gather photos. This spy balloon is at the mercy of the prevailing winds and can't be directed very accurately so I wouldn't think that this thing represents much of a threat.

But regardless - it has invaded our airspace and Biden has not shot it down. His administration has put out a provably false excuse for why it hasn't done so. That's a sign of weakness.

Another piss-poor decision by Joe Biden.

OK, OK.... I know all of you Biden apologists will whine.... but.... but.... but..... @PNWest - You don't have all of the information that Biden has. Surely he's doing the right things. Well maybe that is true. But if it is Biden should be telling us more, standing up to the Chinese more firmly and actually leading rather than issuing this weak statement coming out days later that "we're going to take care of it". It makes him look weak..... AGAIN.

Hey Joe Biden - keep this up and watch what happens. Ask Jimmy Carter how America feels about wimpy Presidents who refuse to stand up firmly to our adversaries.
Mixed message, at a minimum. First, we are told it poses no threat, and our best move is to leave it be...Four days later, we shoot it down.

Then, the somewhat suspicious claim that there were three such Chinese spy balloons during the previous administration, but they went undetected until Biden took office:

The Biden administration official now says the incidents were not discovered until after the Trump administration had already left. But the official did not say how those incidents were discovered or when.

Chinese spy balloons under Trump not discovered until after Biden took office | CNN Politics


I think being skeptical of anything this administration puts out at this point is entirely reasonable.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Mixed message, at a minimum. First, we are told it poses no threat, and our best move is to leave it be...Four days later, we shoot it down.

Then, the somewhat suspicious claim that there were three such Chinese spy balloons during the previous administration, but they went undetected until Biden took office:

The Biden administration official now says the incidents were not discovered until after the Trump administration had already left. But the official did not say how those incidents were discovered or when.

Chinese spy balloons under Trump not discovered until after Biden took office | CNN Politics


I think being skeptical of anything this administration puts out at this point is entirely reasonable.
Face it.

No one would have believed Trump had he done exactly the same things that Biden has done over the last week.


What probably happened is that we knew about this SPY BALLOON shortly after it took off and tracked it from the beginning. Biden was almost certainly briefed about it when it approached Alaska, maybe even earlier. Biden probably thought it was no big deal and let it ride. When the public found out about it Biden stupidly said nothing for days only saying "we're going to take care of it" hours before it was shot down.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Face it.

No one would have believed Trump had he done exactly the same things that Biden has done over the last week.

What probably happened is that we knew about this SPY BALLOON shortly after it took off and tracked it from the beginning. Biden was almost certainly briefed about it when it approached Alaska, maybe even earlier. Biden probably thought it was no big deal and let it ride. When the public found out about it Biden stupidly said nothing for days only saying "we're going to take care of it" hours before it was shot down.
I agree with all of that.

As for those three previous balloons that supposedly occurred on Trump's watch,,,If there were any media reports on them at the time, I must have missed it. It seems the sole source of that story is the current administration, which perhaps is not an entirely credible source.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
I agree with all of that.

As for those three previous balloons that supposedly occurred on Trump's watch,,,If there were any media reports on them at the time, I must have missed it. It seems the sole source of that story is the current administration, which perhaps is not an entirely credible source.

What probably happened is that this one was spotted by civilians and publicized. Had it not been seen they would have done nothing. Biden's inactions were probably exactly what any other President would have done. Biden's mistake was that once the public knew about the SPY BALLOON he HAD to take action. Biden is too stupid politically to realize this. Hence all of the hull-a-balloo.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
What probably happened is that this one was spotted by civilians and publicized. Had it not been seen they would have done nothing. Biden's inactions were probably exactly what any other President would have done. Biden's mistake was that once the public knew about the SPY BALLOON he HAD to take action. Biden is too stupid politically to realize this. Hence all of the hull-a-balloo.

Balloons are not particularly stealthy...I'm not convinced that this is a common occurrence that somehow goes unnoticed until just now.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Balloons are not particularly stealthy...I'm not convinced that this is a common occurrence that somehow goes unnoticed until just now.
No one from the public reported the ones that allegedly came over the US while Trump was in office did they? And this one flew over Alaska, Canada and part of Montana before being spotted. Who knows.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
No one from the public reported the ones that allegedly came over the US while Trump was in office did they? And this one flew over Alaska, Canada and part of Montana before being spotted. Who knows.
I've never heard of any reports about this before from anyone. Just this one.

Yet, there is a push from the administration for us to believe this is entirely normal.

I'm not buying it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I've never heard of any reports about this before from anyone. Just this one.

Yet, there is a push from the administration for us to believe this is entirely normal.

I'm not buying it.
Who cares if you buy it.

1. We had an agreement with Russia that allowed them to fly suveillance aircraft over US nuclear bases and that lasted up to November 2020. We actually opened the silo doors so they could see details of the missiles inside.
2. Do you suppose the Russians shared those pictures with the Chinese?
3. I provided pictures of Chinese silos from a commercial satellite. I'd guess that Chinese military satellites have even better capability. Do you really think they learned anything from the balloon?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Who cares if you buy it.

1. We had an agreement with Russia that allowed them to fly suveillance aircraft over US nuclear bases and that lasted up to November 2020. We actually opened the silo doors so they could see details of the missiles inside.
2. Do you suppose the Russians shared those pictures with the Chinese?
3. I provided pictures of Chinese silos from a commercial satellite. I'd guess that Chinese military satellites have even better capability. Do you really think they learned anything from the balloon?
Because Russia did...therefore China has the right?

Or.. did we have an agreement with China allowing them access to view or silos?


They learned they can fly over or military installationns and over the continental US
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Who cares if you buy it.

1. We had an agreement with Russia that allowed them to fly suveillance aircraft over US nuclear bases and that lasted up to November 2020. We actually opened the silo doors so they could see details of the missiles inside.
2. Do you suppose the Russians shared those pictures with the Chinese?
3. I provided pictures of Chinese silos from a commercial satellite. I'd guess that Chinese military satellites have even better capability. Do you really think they learned anything from the balloon?
Why shoot it down, if it posed no threat?

Or did it suddenly pose a threat after four days?

And why was this balloon so visible, when apparently all those "other" balloons...were not?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Because Russia did...therefore China has the right?

Or.. did we have an agreement with China allowing them access to view or silos?


They learned they can fly over or military installationns and over the continental US
Of course, you'd twist what was said into something dramatically different. Funny, you complain of others doing the same with your own posts...

I did not say they have a right to do anything. I was evaluating the threat.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Why shoot it down, if it posed no threat?

Or did it suddenly pose a threat after four days?

And why was this balloon so visible, when apparently all those "other" balloons...were not?
Questions for the curious and inquisitive among us…not for those who function as nothing but party attaches and operatives.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Of course, you'd twist what was said into something dramatically different. Funny, you complain of others doing the same with your own posts...

I did not say they have a right to do anything. I was evaluating the threat.

No. Is it complaining now to repeatedly ask others to address what was said? You interject Russia..for the sake of distraction.

If you want to claim complaint. (Which I didn't) then answer on the merits

China overflying or sovereign territory without permission...bad?
 

write on

Senator

Another example of why people think Joe Biden is weak.

Frankly the Biden administration has been lying through their teeth about why they have not shot down this Chinese spy balloon yet.

The story that they have been trying to pass off is that it would be too dangerous to shoot the thing down. This is complete bullshit - At the time the balloon was sighted it was over one of the least densely parts of the United States and the odds of falling debris actually hurting anyone if it was crashed was negligible. Face it - old satellites crashing to earth happen all of the time and where they crash cannot be determined to any great accuracy. With this balloon the government could have picked the location where to shoot it down fully knowing where it would fall. They haven't done this. I have no idea what this spy balloon is capable of accomplishing, it is true that low flying satellites can more accurately gather photos. This spy balloon is at the mercy of the prevailing winds and can't be directed very accurately so I wouldn't think that this thing represents much of a threat.

But regardless - it has invaded our airspace and Biden has not shot it down. His administration has put out a provably false excuse for why it hasn't done so. That's a sign of weakness.

Another piss-poor decision by Joe Biden.

OK, OK.... I know all of you Biden apologists will whine.... but.... but.... but..... @PNWest - You don't have all of the information that Biden has. Surely he's doing the right things. Well maybe that is true. But if it is Biden should be telling us more, standing up to the Chinese more firmly and actually leading rather than issuing this weak statement coming out days later that "we're going to take care of it". It makes him look weak..... AGAIN.

Hey Joe Biden - keep this up and watch what happens. Ask Jimmy Carter how America feels about wimpy Presidents who refuse to stand up firmly to our adversaries.
Hmm

So is it a weather balloon, like China claimed? Who would believe that China was dumb enough to float a spy balloon across America without being noticed?

Satellites can give them better info as far as spying goes.

And as far as Carter goes, we all know that the release of the hostages was a vis a vis between Reagan and the Khomeini just before the presidential election.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No. Is it complaining now to repeatedly ask others to address what was said? You interject Russia..for the sake of distraction.

If you want to claim complaint. (Which I didn't) then answer on the merits

China overflying or sovereign territory without permission...bad?
You want me to address what was said? Where was this in any post?

Because Russia did...therefore China has the right?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
You want me to address what was said? Where was this in any post?

Because Russia did...therefore China has the right?
Where is Russia a necessary insertion into a post about Chinese incursion into american territory?

Lemme guess..more dissembling coming from you?
 
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