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Us finalizing plans to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You should have mentioned that to NATO two years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

"Beginning from 16 March (2021), NATO began a series of military exercises known as Defender Europe 2021.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#cite_note-defEu21-134

"The military exercise, one of the largest NATO-led military exercises in Europe for decades, included near-simultaneous operations across over 30 training areas in 12 countries, involving 28,000 troops from 27 nations.[114][115]

"Russia criticized NATO for holding Defender Europe 2021,,[116] and deployed troops to its western borders for military exercises in response to NATO's military activities.

"The deployment led to Russia having a sizable troop buildup along the Russo-Ukrainian border by mid-April."
Because of a training exercise he invaded a country that wasn't involved...yeah, that makes all the sense in the world to someone desperately wanting to blame anyone but Putin.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Nope, just keeping it real. The fact is that much of what has been reported on the war thus far is Zalenskyy created propaganda. Both sides are being decimated, and they are currently engaged in a bloody stalemate - which, let's face it, is exactly what you neocons wanted.
Who ordered the invasion? Oh, yeah...Putin did.
Why? He says it was because Ukraine was a threat. Was it about to attack Russia? Nope. Gee, was Putin lying?

Putin also claimed he needed to "demilitarized" Ukraine. Actually, it seems Russia is the nation that should be demilitarized. They have gone to war against Poland, Finland, Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. Were any of those countries a threat to Russia? Nah. It was always in search of empire. Control over those countries was what mattered and nothing else.

I don't want a stalemate. I want Russia to withdraw. You want Ukraine to surrender.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Who ordered the invasion? Oh, yeah...Putin did.
Why? He says it was because Ukraine was a threat. Was it about to attack Russia? Nope. Gee, was Putin lying?

Putin also claimed he needed to "demilitarized" Ukraine. Actually, it seems Russia is the nation that should be demilitarized. They have gone to war against Poland, Finland, Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. Were any of those countries a threat to Russia? Nah. It was always in search of empire. Control over those countries was what mattered and nothing else.

I don't want a stalemate. I want Russia to withdraw. You want Ukraine to surrender.

Hey..pro communists and pro hegemonic aims supporters can't be reasoned with..
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Hey..pro communists and pro hegemonic aims supporters can't be reasoned with..
Yup. It is as if there is no limit to their ability to dismiss the brutality of the Russian dictator.

There can be peace...as soon as the Kremlin orders a complete withdrawal from Donbas.

I would think their hold on Crimea is a more complicated issue because of the Russian naval base at Sebastapol, as well as the number of Russian speakers there. That is the only thing to be negotiated. The surrender of those accused of war crimes should not be on the table. Compensation to Ukraine, likewise, should be just as necessary as any other issue.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
And Ukrainian soldiers. Good to go!

Sláva Ukrayíni!
That page on Facebook is actually pretty cool. If you search for baba I kit you'll find it. It's actually a satire page turned useful utility for updates from ukraine.

Even better, they'll routinely post Russian pig scum being blown to shit by drones and so on
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That page on Facebook is actually pretty cool. If you search for baba I kit you'll find it. It's actually a satire page turned useful utility for updates from ukraine.

Even better, they'll routinely post Russian pig scum being blown to shit by drones and so on
CNN did a story about Ukrainian pilots being trained in Britain on their fighter planes, just in case they send any to Ukraine....

Zelensky thanked the Parliament for Jets "in advance" and got a standing "O"!
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That page on Facebook is actually pretty cool. If you search for baba I kit you'll find it. It's actually a satire page turned useful utility for updates from ukraine.

Even better, they'll routinely post Russian pig scum being blown to shit by drones and so on
Check this out

 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Who ordered the invasion? Oh, yeah...Putin did.
Why? He says it was because Ukraine was a threat. Was it about to attack Russia? Nope. Gee, was Putin lying?

Putin also claimed he needed to "demilitarized" Ukraine. Actually, it seems Russia is the nation that should be demilitarized. They have gone to war against Poland, Finland, Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. Were any of those countries a threat to Russia? Nah. It was always in search of empire. Control over those countries was what mattered and nothing else.

I don't want a stalemate. I want Russia to withdraw. You want Ukraine to surrender.
We've been over the reasons why - you just refuse to entertain any other scenario than the (neocon) official US government narrative (bad Russians bent on world domination). But you and I both know because Putin told us why:

Ukraine is another matter. Russia regards its inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Putin stated on the eve of the invasion on February 23:

Positioning areas for interceptor missiles are being established in Romania and Poland as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system. It is common knowledge that the launchers deployed there can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles—offensive strike systems.

In addition, the United States is developing its all-purpose Standard Missile-6, which can provide air and missile defense, as well as strike ground and surface targets. In other words, the allegedly defensive US missile defense system is developing and expanding its new offensive capabilities.

The information we have gives us good reason to believe that Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities has already been decided and is only a matter of time. We clearly understand that given this scenario, the level of military threats to Russia will increase dramatically, several times over. And I would like to emphasize at this point that the risk of a sudden strike at our country will multiply.



Clearly he thought having Ukraine in NATO would constitute an existential threat to Russia. According to Putin it was the rough equivalent of Soviet nukes in Cuba. If we took that off the table, Russia would in all likelihood withdraw. So that is not, in fact, what you "want" - you want regime change in Russia, like all neocons. And when it happens and the world becomes even less safe, you will find some other "evil dictator" to blame, rather than look in the mirror where the real culprit resides.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
An obvious way to break the stalemate (that is, to hasten the victory already in Ukraine’s reach) would be to send massive material (fighter-bombers, fighters, more tanks and missiles) to Ukraine.
Which would likely lead to a nuclear conflict and WWIII. Have a nice day...
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
We've been over the reasons why - you just refuse to entertain any other scenario than the (neocon) official US government narrative (bad Russians bent on world domination). But you and I both know because Putin told us why:

Ukraine is another matter. Russia regards its inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Putin stated on the eve of the invasion on February 23:

Positioning areas for interceptor missiles are being established in Romania and Poland as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system. It is common knowledge that the launchers deployed there can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles—offensive strike systems.

In addition, the United States is developing its all-purpose Standard Missile-6, which can provide air and missile defense, as well as strike ground and surface targets. In other words, the allegedly defensive US missile defense system is developing and expanding its new offensive capabilities.

The information we have gives us good reason to believe that Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities has already been decided and is only a matter of time. We clearly understand that given this scenario, the level of military threats to Russia will increase dramatically, several times over. And I would like to emphasize at this point that the risk of a sudden strike at our country will multiply.



Clearly he thought having Ukraine in NATO would constitute an existential threat to Russia. According to Putin it was the rough equivalent of Soviet nukes in Cuba. If we took that off the table, Russia would in all likelihood withdraw. So that is not, in fact, what you "want" - you want regime change in Russia, like all neocons. And when it happens and the world becomes even less safe, you will find some other "evil dictator" to blame, rather than look in the mirror where the real culprit resides.

Side note, and very peculiar that it goes unloaded by liars and communist supporters of hegemonic attacks, namely Ukraine hadn't even applied to nato at the time of Russia's ruthless invasion. It was nowhere near to being accepted, even applied, or joined in any way whatsoever. It was only well after it was invaded that the ukrainians put forth their application

Which, if anybody would even bother to read, requires the approval of all current members, which also was nowhere close to being transacted

So existential threat is a complete and utter non-starter, and a bullshit line simpletons except, particularly those inclines to support hegemonic regimes and their conquest of their neighbors...
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Which would likely lead to a nuclear conflict and WWIII. Have a nice day...
Nah, in fact Russians are a bunch of pussies, as evidenced by their soldiers fleeing to other countries, their governments need to keep everyone in the dark and uninformed, it's reliance upon mercenaries and thieves to populate its army, and it's current inability to overcome the Ukrainian defense
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
We've been over the reasons why - you just refuse to entertain any other scenario than the (neocon) official US government narrative (bad Russians bent on world domination). But you and I both know because Putin told us why:

Ukraine is another matter. Russia regards its inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Putin stated on the eve of the invasion on February 23:

Positioning areas for interceptor missiles are being established in Romania and Poland as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system. It is common knowledge that the launchers deployed there can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles—offensive strike systems.

In addition, the United States is developing its all-purpose Standard Missile-6, which can provide air and missile defense, as well as strike ground and surface targets. In other words, the allegedly defensive US missile defense system is developing and expanding its new offensive capabilities.

The information we have gives us good reason to believe that Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities has already been decided and is only a matter of time. We clearly understand that given this scenario, the level of military threats to Russia will increase dramatically, several times over. And I would like to emphasize at this point that the risk of a sudden strike at our country will multiply.



Clearly he thought having Ukraine in NATO would constitute an existential threat to Russia. According to Putin it was the rough equivalent of Soviet nukes in Cuba. If we took that off the table, Russia would in all likelihood withdraw. So that is not, in fact, what you "want" - you want regime change in Russia, like all neocons. And when it happens and the world becomes even less safe, you will find some other "evil dictator" to blame, rather than look in the mirror where the real culprit resides.
You ignore other comments by Putin..."Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign nation". "We must de-nazify Ukraine"....or that he wants to restore imperial Russia.

Putin says Patriot missile systems could launch Tomahawk missiles. Really?
Tomahawks have their own launch system and do not share hardware or radar systems with the Patriot. Have Tomahawks been sent to Poland?

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Ukrainian membership in Nato was not imminent. If membership had been announced and then Putin had invaded, the claim would have a leg to stand on.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
We've been over the reasons why - you just refuse to entertain any other scenario than the (neocon) official US government narrative (bad Russians bent on world domination). But you and I both know because Putin told us why:

Ukraine is another matter. Russia regards its inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Putin stated on the eve of the invasion on February 23:

Positioning areas for interceptor missiles are being established in Romania and Poland as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system. It is common knowledge that the launchers deployed there can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles—offensive strike systems.

In addition, the United States is developing its all-purpose Standard Missile-6, which can provide air and missile defense, as well as strike ground and surface targets. In other words, the allegedly defensive US missile defense system is developing and expanding its new offensive capabilities.

The information we have gives us good reason to believe that Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities has already been decided and is only a matter of time. We clearly understand that given this scenario, the level of military threats to Russia will increase dramatically, several times over. And I would like to emphasize at this point that the risk of a sudden strike at our country will multiply.



Clearly he thought having Ukraine in NATO would constitute an existential threat to Russia. According to Putin it was the rough equivalent of Soviet nukes in Cuba. If we took that off the table, Russia would in all likelihood withdraw. So that is not, in fact, what you "want" - you want regime change in Russia, like all neocons. And when it happens and the world becomes even less safe, you will find some other "evil dictator" to blame, rather than look in the mirror where the real culprit resides.
One more item. The Standard Missile-6 is being supplied to the US Navy. Unlikely the Ukrainian navy will be getting them. It is currently deployed on 60 US ships and 500 missiles have been delivered.

 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
One more item. The Standard Missile-6 is being supplied to the US Navy. Unlikely the Ukrainian navy will be getting them. It is currently deployed on 60 US ships and 500 missiles have been delivered.

want to see something illuminating, check this out..

Wagner soldiers dragging their injured Commander behind a building, and then chopping him to death with axes... As retribution for the torturous treatment of Russian soldiers by their commanders.

Russia is not winning shit. Animals all around

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
want to see something illuminating, check this out..

Wagner soldiers dragging their injured Commander behind a building, and then chopping him to death with axes... As retribution for the torturous treatment of Russian soldiers by their commanders.

Russia is not winning shit. Animals all around

Zelensky spoke to the UK Parliament today and thanked them, in advance, for British fighter jets....

Looks like both the UK and the US are currently training Ukrainian pilots...just in case we decide to ship F-16s or British Typhoons.
 

BlueHeel

Council Member
Side note, and very peculiar that it goes unloaded by liars and communist supporters of hegemonic attacks, namely Ukraine hadn't even applied to nato at the time of Russia's ruthless invasion. It was nowhere near to being accepted, even applied, or joined in any way whatsoever. It was only well after it was invaded that the ukrainians put forth their application

Which, if anybody would even bother to read, requires the approval of all current members, which also was nowhere close to being transacted

So existential threat is a complete and utter non-starter, and a bullshit line simpletons except, particularly those inclines to support hegemonic regimes and their conquest of their neighbors...
Phil, Lukey explained that Putin THOUGHT Ukraine was in NATO, so it is clearly the fault of Biden. No one else.
Poor Putin has thoughts, so he attacks.
Damn that Biden! And damn the USA! Go Putin!
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Zelensky spoke to the UK Parliament today and thanked them, in advance, for British fighter jets....

Looks like both the UK and the US are currently training Ukrainian pilots...just in case we decide to ship F-16s or British Typhoons.
Do you ever stop to wonder why, if Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass, Zelenskyy has to beg the Brits for fighter jets? It is obvious to any honest observer that NATO is doing just enough to keep Ukraine from losing, but never enough for them to win.
 
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