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The worst case scenario re: Ukraine war...

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So what happens if Russia loses the war and Putin is humilated by the West? What do you suppose the worst case scenario is if the war mongers get their way, Ukraine defetas Russia and the West starts treating Russia like a pariah nation? Remember, this is a nuclear power in the process of getting really cozy with Iran. I know what think the worst case scenario is, but it would be interesting to find out if the war lovers have even thought about what happens if they become the dog that catches the car...anyone? Bueller?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Precisely, he is a dying man so what does he have to lose from providing a terrorist organization with a (small) functional nuclear weapon?
Hope he dies before hitting the button and surely they have it where Joey can't do same
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
So what happens if Russia loses the war and Putin is humilated by the West? What do you suppose the worst case scenario is if the war mongers get their way, Ukraine defetas Russia and the West starts treating Russia like a pariah nation? Remember, this is a nuclear power in the process of getting really cozy with Iran. I know what think the worst case scenario is, but it would be interesting to find out if the war lovers have even thought about what happens if they become the dog that catches the car...anyone? Bueller?
Look on the bright side. As soon as a non-Democrat is elected president, lefty will once again revert to “anti-war” and all will be well. Good ol’ gelatin-spine, liqui-principled lefty…
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
So what happens if Russia loses the war and Putin is humilated by the West? What do you suppose the worst case scenario is if the war mongers get their way, Ukraine defetas Russia and the West starts treating Russia like a pariah nation? Remember, this is a nuclear power in the process of getting really cozy with Iran. I know what think the worst case scenario is, but it would be interesting to find out if the war lovers have even thought about what happens if they become the dog that catches the car...anyone? Bueller?
Best case scenario: Pro Russian Patriot Alex Navalny becomes President of Russia and instead of invading, murdering and raping their neighbors, a new era of free speech, free elections and a new era of peace and prosperity reigns in that region. Both the Russian and Ukrainian people have been subject to brutal authoritarian rule for centuries except for a brief period right after the USSR disbanded. Instead of a bloody destructive war between Russia and Ukraine, imagine a symbiotic relationship between these two nations benefitting both much like the US and Canada or the US and Mexico. Two, young, progressive, intelligent, courageous leaders like Navalny and Zelenskyy are a perfect pair to pull this off.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Look on the bright side. As soon as a non-Democrat is elected president, lefty will once again revert to “anti-war” and all will be well. Good ol’ gelatin-spine, liqui-principled lefty…
You got anyone in mind for a “non Democrat” leader here in America? At this point, I sure don’t see anyone out there with a serious chance of getting elected. At this point, it looks as if the GOP might very well nominate Trump again. No serious challengers to Biden either at this point. Odds are in favor of a repeat of 2020 next year at this point. Will a savior arise from these streets? I sure hope so. Either that or an intelligent, wise, powerful non earthly entity needs to appear to straighten out this whole planet….The leadership of this whole planet is in an extremely fvcked up, destructive state at this point. Our species is still in a very primitive state, spiritually. We need divine intervention.
 

EatTheRich

President
Precisely, he is a dying man so what does he have to lose from providing a terrorist organization with a (small) functional nuclear weapon?
The worst-case scenario would clearly be letting this representative of a dying nation acting as the world’s representative for a dying capitalist system or anyone else stepping into that role to remain in power. The only alternative to a Russia that is constantly threatened with extinction at the hands of more powerful nations is a Russia able to hold its own because it has reaped the benefits of socialist restoration.
 

EatTheRich

President
Look on the bright side. As soon as a non-Democrat is elected president, lefty will once again revert to “anti-war” and all will be well. Good ol’ gelatin-spine, liqui-principled lefty…
I am anti-imperialist, not anti war. And part of that is welcoming the defeat of Russian imperialism.
 

EatTheRich

President
Best case scenario: Pro Russian Patriot Alex Navalny becomes President of Russia and instead of invading, murdering and raping their neighbors, a new era of free speech, free elections and a new era of peace and prosperity reigns in that region. Both the Russian and Ukrainian people have been subject to brutal authoritarian rule for centuries except for a brief period right after the USSR disbanded. Instead of a bloody destructive war between Russia and Ukraine, imagine a symbiotic relationship between these two nations benefitting both much like the US and Canada or the US and Mexico. Two, young, progressive, intelligent, courageous leaders like Navalny and Zelenskyy are a perfect pair to pull this off.
Yeltsin, Kuchma, Tymoshenko, etc., proved that in the former USSR liberalism is incompatible with respect for democratic rights. It is theoretically possible that Russia and Ukraine (as presently constituted) could have a “symbiotic relationship,” but only at the expense of some other nation such as Belarus, Poland, or Romania. In general, democratization and fraternal relations among politically equal nations are possible only via socialism. An attempt to take the capitalist road toward them at best buys time to organize the socialist revolution. At worst it gives reaction a chance to regroup.
 

EatTheRich

President
You got anyone in mind for a “non Democrat” leader here in America? At this point, I sure don’t see anyone out there with a serious chance of getting elected. At this point, it looks as if the GOP might very well nominate Trump again. No serious challengers to Biden either at this point. Odds are in favor of a repeat of 2020 next year at this point. Will a savior arise from these streets? I sure hope so. Either that or an intelligent, wise, powerful non earthly entity needs to appear to straighten out this whole planet….The leadership of this whole planet is in an extremely fvcked up, destructive state at this point. Our species is still in a very primitive state, spiritually. We need divine intervention.
Our eye should be on building the communist movement, not winning the election or tipping it to Biden, Trump, etc. Capitalist politics are a dead end. But there is a realistic, science-based road out of this mess, and it doesn’t involve magic.


Most people think
Great God will come from the sky
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high
But if you know what life is worth
You would look for yours on earth
And now a you see the light
You stand up for your right”-Bob Marley
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Our eye should be on building the communist movement, not winning the election or tipping it to Biden, Trump, etc. Capitalist politics are a dead end. But there is a realistic, science-based road out of this mess, and it doesn’t involve magic.


Most people think
Great God will come from the sky
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high
But if you know what life is worth
You would look for yours on earth
And now a you see the light
You stand up for your right”-Bob Marley
Name the Commie savior with a chance to win an election here in the US. Is Gus Hall still around? There has got to be a far more advanced civilizations in this vast Universe. My hope is that one or more of them is keeping an eye on the greedy, soulless idiots in charge down here.
 

EatTheRich

President
Name the Commie savior with a chance to win an election here in the US. Is Gus Hall still around? There has got to be a far more advanced civilizations in this vast Universe. My hope is that one or more of them is keeping an eye on the greedy, soulless idiots in charge down here.
Again, focusing on winning the election is a blind alley. Even if you could, it would be just like with Allende ... the ruling class is not going to relinquish power because of an election. What we need is to be building a movement capable of conquering state power by force. I think we could use better leadership but at this point I think the 2024 candidate most capable of building a communist movement is Jeff Mackler, who is a damn better communist than Gus Hall.
 
Again, focusing on winning the election is a blind alley. Even if you could, it would be just like with Allende ... the ruling class is not going to relinquish power because of an election. What we need is to be building a movement capable of conquering state power by force. I think we could use better leadership but at this point I think the 2024 candidate most capable of building a communist movement is Jeff Mackler, who is a damn better communist than Gus Hall.
We could start by convincing regular voters to make their House and Senate choices from established third party candidates instead of voting against the R or D they most hate; if tens of millions of US voters adopt this strategy in 2024, we could FLUSH hundreds of DC incumbents in a single news cycle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third_party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections#:~:text=In the 59 presidential elections,supported Federalist policies and was

"In the 59 presidential elections since 1788, third party or independent candidates have won at least 5.0% of the vote or garnered electoral votes 12 times (21%); this does not count George Washington, who was elected as an independent in 1788–1780 and 1792, but who largely supported Federalist policies and was supported by Federalists.

"The last third-party candidate to win a state was George Wallace of the American Independent Party in 1968, while the last third-party candidate to win more than 5.0% of the vote was Ross Perot, who ran as an independent and as the standard-bearer of the Reform Party in 1992 and 1996, respectively; the closest since was Gary Johnson in 2016, who gained 3.3% of the vote running as the Libertarian nominee.

"The most recent third-party candidates to receive an electoral vote were Libertarian Ron Paul and Sioux Nation independent Faith Spotted Eagle who received a vote each from faithless electors in 2016."

Imho, this is a political longshot today, but it never existed prior to the Internet.
 
So what happens if Russia loses the war and Putin is humilated by the West? What do you suppose the worst case scenario is if the war mongers get their way, Ukraine defetas Russia and the West starts treating Russia like a pariah nation? Remember, this is a nuclear power in the process of getting really cozy with Iran. I know what think the worst case scenario is, but it would be interesting to find out if the war lovers have even thought about what happens if they become the dog that catches the car...anyone? Bueller?
Mushroom clouds for eveyone.

Russia will not be humiliated they are likely to take the world with them if it comes to that.

The IDIOTS in Washington, esteemed members of the uni-party are all for this.
 
So what happens if Russia loses the war and Putin is humilated by the West? What do you suppose the worst case scenario is if the war mongers get their way, Ukraine defetas Russia and the West starts treating Russia like a pariah nation? Remember, this is a nuclear power in the process of getting really cozy with Iran. I know what think the worst case scenario is, but it would be interesting to find out if the war lovers have even thought about what happens if they become the dog that catches the car...anyone? Bueller?
Putin is already humiliated. Russia is already a pariah. Victory in Ukraine - no matter how unlikely - isn't going to improve things
 

EatTheRich

President
We could start by convincing regular voters to make their House and Senate choices from established third party candidates instead of voting against the R or D they most hate; if tens of millions of US voters adopt this strategy in 2024, we could FLUSH hundreds of DC incumbents in a single news cycle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third_party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections#:~:text=In the 59 presidential elections,supported Federalist policies and was

"In the 59 presidential elections since 1788, third party or independent candidates have won at least 5.0% of the vote or garnered electoral votes 12 times (21%); this does not count George Washington, who was elected as an independent in 1788–1780 and 1792, but who largely supported Federalist policies and was supported by Federalists.

"The last third-party candidate to win a state was George Wallace of the American Independent Party in 1968, while the last third-party candidate to win more than 5.0% of the vote was Ross Perot, who ran as an independent and as the standard-bearer of the Reform Party in 1992 and 1996, respectively; the closest since was Gary Johnson in 2016, who gained 3.3% of the vote running as the Libertarian nominee.

"The most recent third-party candidates to receive an electoral vote were Libertarian Ron Paul and Sioux Nation independent Faith Spotted Eagle who received a vote each from faithless electors in 2016."

Imho, this is a political longshot today, but it never existed prior to the Internet.
We don’t need a third party. We need a working-class party.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
You got anyone in mind for a “non Democrat” leader here in America? At this point, I sure don’t see anyone out there with a serious chance of getting elected. At this point, it looks as if the GOP might very well nominate Trump again. No serious challengers to Biden either at this point. Odds are in favor of a repeat of 2020 next year at this point. Will a savior arise from these streets? I sure hope so. Either that or an intelligent, wise, powerful non earthly entity needs to appear to straighten out this whole planet….The leadership of this whole planet is in an extremely fvcked up, destructive state at this point. Our species is still in a very primitive state, spiritually. We need divine intervention.
They. All. Suck.

Decent people don’t run. They really don’t. Let’s just have an empty White House. :)
 
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