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Just remember who among us argued for far less authoritarian interventionism...

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No, I guess the Christians I know adhere to His Word (like that passage from Hebrews, for example)…whereas statist lefty filters even the authority of the Lord through the state.

And I demonstrated precisely that. You have shown that God’s word is, at best, secondary to that of government. HereticviewGovernment-view. Certainly not a correct Christianview.
I didn't realize you'd been appointed to speak for the Lord.

In the days of Christ would lepers have been welcome in the synagogue?

You claim the government wanted people to abandon church services. That is a lie. The churches could go to televised services and many did. By "assembly" you cannot demonstrate a requirement to be seated in pews with hundreds of others. Many found other ways to worship while the pandemic was a threat.

Were the organized religions being punished? Nope. While it may have been harder for them to make money...their ability to preach was not impacted.

Did you actually think that passage from Hebrews was "GOD'S WORD"? I do not. It was written by Paul....at least that is the rumor.

The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author. However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Yay, state usurpation! Also yay: piss poor argumentation from MV.
Funny that you are so selective about state authoritarianism. You are in favor of the state interfering in a woman's choice to continue a pregnancy or would like to have the state prevent any sort of gender therapy. How about a law against cross dressing? That is in the works in Florida....

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RickWA

Snagglesooth
I didn't realize you'd been appointed to speak for the Lord.

In the days of Christ would lepers have been welcome in the synagogue?

You claim the government wanted people to abandon church services. That is a lie. The churches could go to televised services and many did. By "assembly" you cannot demonstrate a requirement to be seated in pews with hundreds of others. Many found other ways to worship while the pandemic was a threat.

Were the organized religions being punished? Nope. While it may have been harder for them to make money...their ability to preach was not impacted.

Did you actually think that passage from Hebrews was "GOD'S WORD"? I do not. It was written by Paul....at least that is the rumor.

The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author. However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.
The writings in the Bible are God’s word, Government-view. Whether penned in red or not, it is the inspired Word of God. He said so.

As for the state shuttering church gatherings…two words: Never. Again.

And THIS is a thing we will war over. You will not do this again. Flit your gelatinous, diseased wrists all you want. Lisp your nonsense about “virtual” meetings. Offer up a few more idiotic non-sequiturs about Christians being somehow weak in their faith if they demand to adhere to God’s Word. I don’t care.

Someone send us some smart lefties. These ones can’t advance or sustain rational arguments. You really are terrible at this. Enjoy your keyboard-kookery.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
State authority said that. I suppose Christians could’ve moved their services to liquor stores and abortion clinics if they seek to gather.

Nice work, leftists. It’s a shame you suck at this stuff.
To forsake indicates a permanent ban....not a temporary one.

The liquor store I go to is hardly as crowded as a church is. They also required masks and would deliver to the curb if requested. How many people would you suggest got covid at a liquor store?

How a superspreader at choir practice sickened 52 people with COVID-19
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The writings in the Bible are God’s word, Government-view. Whether penned in red or not, it is the inspired Word of God. He said so.

As for the state shuttering church gatherings…two words: Never. Again.

And THIS is a thing we will war over. You will not do this again. Flit your gelatinous, diseased wrists all you want. Lisp your nonsense about “virtual” meetings. Offer up a few more idiotic non-sequiturs about Christians being somehow weak in their faith if they demand to adhere to God’s Word. I don’t care.

Someone send us some smart lefties. These ones can’t advance or sustain rational arguments. You really are terrible at this. Enjoy your keyboard-kookery.
Hahaha....if it is the inspired word of God...why are there so many versions?

You clearly do not know who wrote that passage or any part of Hebrews. Who chose what to put in the bible? Do you even know? You don't know who wrote it and you don't know who translated it. If it was an inspired word when written...was it also inspired when the translation happened. Do you follow the version favored by Catholics or the one the King of England had produced?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The writings in the Bible are God’s word, Government-view. Whether penned in red or not, it is the inspired Word of God. He said so.

As for the state shuttering church gatherings…two words: Never. Again.

And THIS is a thing we will war over. You will not do this again. Flit your gelatinous, diseased wrists all you want. Lisp your nonsense about “virtual” meetings. Offer up a few more idiotic non-sequiturs about Christians being somehow weak in their faith if they demand to adhere to God’s Word. I don’t care.

Someone send us some smart lefties. These ones can’t advance or sustain rational arguments. You really are terrible at this. Enjoy your keyboard-kookery.
President Bartlet said it best.
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
When you are faced with a choice between making sense or scraping up crap to blame lefty for...no shock there.

You think temporarily suspending in person church services that people would turn away from Christ? I guess the Christians you know have a pretty thin devotion to the Lord.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Can you show us the amended part of the emphasized portion that says "except during a pandemic".

It was perfectly fine with the Democrats to remember and encourage this part "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance." as cities were trashed and burned protesting a junky getting killed in Minnesota.

Guess people like you are selective with which parts of the 1st Amendment you're okay with the government violating.

Noted...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You should re-read the Atlantic article. It doesn't say the experts were stupid. It says those who claimed expertise they didn't have and promoted the conspiracy theories...like you...were to blame for confusion and a lack of compliance.
What part of:

The experts had a rough year. We still have to trust them.
By
Tom Nichols

Is so hard for you to understand?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Funny that you are so selective about state authoritarianism. You are in favor of the state interfering in a woman's choice to continue a pregnancy or would like to have the state prevent any sort of gender therapy. How about a law against cross dressing? That is in the works in Florida....

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No one is proposing a law against cross-dressing.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
What part of:

The experts had a rough year. We still have to trust them.
By
Tom Nichols

Is so hard for you to understand?
Your interpretation of that is the problem....not that I don't understand. I saw the look on Dr. Birx's face when Trump announced that disinfectant, taken internally, could cure covid...

Rough year has more to do with the idiots like Dr. Scott Atlas.

Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal (cnbc.com)
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No one is proposing a law against cross-dressing.
Transgender advocates fear FL legislation could ban or restrict drag shows
“Any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience which, in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, specified sexual activities” as defined by state law (847.001), “lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts when it:

/predominantly appeals to a prurient, shameful, or morbid interest;

/is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community of this state as a whole with respect to what is suitable material or conduct for the age of the child present.

/taken as a whole, is without serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for the age of the child present.”



Transgender advocates fear FL legislation could ban or restrict drag shows - Florida Phoenix
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
Actually, it is because it requires a complete lack of mental acuity - just regard whatever the MIC/Deep State lackies tell us as unquestionable.
Acuity
Keenness of perception....

As opposed to a grasp of facts. Your perception is selective...you even think your opinions are facts.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Can you show us the amended part of the emphasized portion that says "except during a pandemic".

It was perfectly fine with the Democrats to remember and encourage this part "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance." as cities were trashed and burned protesting a junky getting killed in Minnesota.

Guess people like you are selective with which parts of the 1st Amendment you're okay with the government violating.

Noted...
Could you still exercise your religion without going to a church? Yes. So it was not prohibited.

What democrats encouraged riots, arson and looting? Did anyone tell people to go to the streets and fight like hell? I mean, other than on January 6.
 

EatTheRich

President
Every time you take a step back and survey the larger pattern, one cannot help but have the gag reflex triggered. It really is sad - but what’s worse is that we have no one prominent who makes these observations. The oft used and abused frog boiling story is entirely true. We need a Paul Revere (or PJ O’Roark) to sound the alarm via ongoing commentary.
What you blame on “statist lefty” was the attempt to follow standard pandemic protocol as has been done for centuries in this country and around the world. What made this so deadly and injurious to liberty was the experiment in radical revision of that pandemic protocol for partisan-political reasons.
 

EatTheRich

President
Hebrews 10:25 - Do not forsake assembling.

If Middleview wants to forsake assembling, that’s Middleview’s business. However if Middleview wants to coerce others to prohibit their assembling, he is once again Government’view.

…As always.
The Bible also says not to wash your hands before you eat (Luke 11:38). I wouldn’t advise using it for medical advice.
 

EatTheRich

President
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Can you show us the amended part of the emphasized portion that says "except during a pandemic".

It was perfectly fine with the Democrats to remember and encourage this part "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance." as cities were trashed and burned protesting a junky getting killed in Minnesota.

Guess people like you are selective with which parts of the 1st Amendment you're okay with the government violating.

Noted...
The same founding fathers who wrote that amendment ordered church closures during contemporary pandemics.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Regarding Covid...from the get go.

Last weekend, The Times published a survey of pandemic recommendations from experts considering the possibility of another outbreak, and it looked to me as though in nearly every case even those taking the more aggressive side of the argument endorsed mitigation measures that were no stronger and often weaker or more caveated than those that had been put in place in 2020. They did so even though the hypothetical disease they were considering was both more transmissible and more deadly than the new coronavirus (and even though it also affected children and adults equally). That is, faced with a disease that would spread more quickly than Covid, kill more of those infected than Covid, with a mortality burden, compared with Covid’s, markedly rebalanced toward the young, they would vote, in general, to do less.

This isn’t a question limited to abstract, virtual-reality-style debates on op-ed pages and social media. In at least 30 states, The Washington Post reported last week, legislatures have already passed laws limiting public health powers in the wake of the pandemic. Most of the states are in Republican control, but not all, and the restrictions legislated so far are quite intrusive: in many cases, extending outright bans against health officials or governors from issuing mask mandates, closing schools or businesses, restricting large gatherings in places like churches, or testing or vaccine protocols. But what is most striking is how little consideration they give to the particular attributes of future outbreaks — treating a future disease that spreads like measles but kills one in five kids it infects the same as one that spreads like swine flu and doesn’t kill anybody. And stopping public health authorities from doing anything about any of them.

Stop and think about that for a second: As the country emerges from three years of death, disruption and suffering, dozens of states have decided not just that future mitigation measures should be carefully targeted and calibrated, or that they should be time-limited, or that they should always integrate trade-offs and cost-benefit calculations from the beginning. They have decided that the best way to prepare for those future diseases is to tie our hands ahead of time.



Of course, the writer is whining about it (you should read the whole piece - it is a hoot), but the fact is that the majority of Americans are waking up to the completely unnecessary authoritarianism imposed on us by "the experts."

Even The Atlantic has to admit how stupid "the experts" actually are:

Following Your Gut Isn't the Right Way to Go - The Atlantic

Of course, they too whine about it and demand that we continue to get on our knees and accept whatever bad advice they impose upon us.

I think it is hilarious how all these sanctimonious lefties are being forced to address just how badly they erred in demanding our fealty to the likes of Anthony Fauci, Gretchen Whitmer and Joe "beady eyed" Biden, all of whom could not have been more wrong in their Covid beliefs. This isn't rocket science - it is always ALWAYS better to err on the side of freedom and liberty. The people will get it right way more frequently that the pols (and their conflicted "experts").

The line forms on the, um, left, to stop by here and congratulate me on getting this covid situation correct from day 1.
The outrage! That actual citizens should have any say in their own civil liberties. Instead of unelected bureaucrats.
 
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