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About that homeless man who died from a chokehold in the subway

TBLee

Governor
Its a shame that mentally I’ll persons like this guy are arrested for low misdemeanors then released instead of receiving the treatment they need to live a normal life. Here in California in the late 1960s and early 1970s Ronald Reagan decimated the state mental health system here and ever since instead of receiving treatment, mentally ill people roam the streets, are arrested by police serve a couple days in jail and are released back to the streets. That’s been going on here and across the country for decades now.

The so called “lefty’s” have always advocated for funding of federal, state and local mental health facilities and humane treatment of these sick human beings. The so called “righty’s” are more apt to advocate for locking these vermin (as they see these sick people as) up and throwing away the key. We are the richest nation in the world and in my opinion we should be able to do a lot better job of dealing with this issue.

I am not attempting to defame this Marine but just pointing out that choking someone to death is against the law. I know of more than a few people who were convicted of manslaughter as a result of killing someone in a fight that was not necessarily all their fault. They generally spend at least a couple years in prison and take anger management courses.

In these days when millions of people support vigilantes who felt it was their duty to hang the Vice President or kill the speaker of the house. (Mostly righty’s) it would set a dangerous precedent to give a pass to a guy who killed what he deemed to be a crazy man for acting up in the subway. My take is that even if he didn’t try to kill the guy (and we don’t really know that yet) he did apparently cause the death. I believe this is a manslaughter case which should be decided by a judge or jury.

Does that make me a crazy lefty Rick?
Low mistameanors? I think not. Let it go to trial.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
It's a tragedy on all fronts.

He needed help, he should have at the very least been in a hospital. Constant harassment on the Subways is a way of life here, the people who subdued him for fear he was going to hurt someone were just trying to take some control of the situation.

A situation created by the failures of our State and Local Governments.
Report said his Dad hadn't seen him in 4 years but now that there will be a lawsuit he's front and center just as Floyd's family............amazing how the chance of $millions bring the family love out.
Surely the Marine will not be the only one indicted since others help try to control the mental case,
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Low mistameanors? I think not. Let it go to trial.
Let what go to trial? Misty meaners? WTF……Piss poor response to my thoughtful, well written and logical post….You are better than that TB….You hittin’ the sauce again?
 
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Jack4freedom

Governor
Thank you, Captain Forensics. Your measured response tracks nicely with due process and the presumption of innocence.
:-/
I am in favor of due process and innocent until proven guilty. That said, I think it would be tragic if this guy just walked away after choking a crazy guy to death. There is definitely plenty of probable cause to charge the guy. He will get out on bail then get his day In court.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Report said his Dad hadn't seen him in 4 years but now that there will be a lawsuit he's front and center just as Floyd's family............amazing how the chance of $millions bring the family love out.
Surely the Marine will not be the only one indicted since others help try to control the mental case,
We‘ll see. I sure don’t see how it’s relevant regarding his relationship with his father. The issue is whether or not his death was a result of reckless, criminal behavior. Judge or jury will decide that.
 

Boltlady

Mayor
I think that Marine should have known that restraining a man for 15 minutes by a chokehold would kill the man. There are ways to restrain without killing. Marines are trained to kill via hand to hand combat. I don’t think it was necessary to kill the nutty guy. Looks like a manslaughter case. I have been involved in restraining crazy people and drunks a few times in my life and I never came close to killing anyone. This is a real shame and a tragedy. Too bad for all concerned. By the way, this has nothing to do with leftists or rightists Rick. You are starting to remind me of Walter Sobcek from the big Lebowski. He thought every thing that happened was all about The Vietnam War. Get a grip Ricky, subway crazies have not a damn thing to do with leftists. More to do with untreated mental illness. Mental illness does not know left from right, just crazy.
You and a lot others are assuming the man died from the restraint. Have you seen the coroner's report? (I haven't) He could have been full of drugs or had a heart attack or stroke. Waiting for more information might be a good thing.
 

TBLee

Governor
Let what go to trial? Misty meaners? WTF……Piss poor response to my thoughtful, well written and logical post….You are better than that TB….You hittin’ the sauce again?
Ok Jack. Just a reminder, you are free to scroll on by if you find my response not to your liking. Instead, you go straight to insults,. You are better than that Jack. LOL
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
We‘ll see. I sure don’t see how it’s relevant regarding his relationship with his father. The issue is whether or not his death was a result of reckless, criminal behavior. Judge or jury will decide that.
Relevant is Dad didn't give a damn until there may be some money for him
Yes, judge and jury will decide while being scared for their lives if verdict isn't what the Mobs want.
Strange how death or possible death brings the Love out of absent greedy ass family members.

The Marine acted "stupidly" Barry taught ya'll well.
Meanwhile Another little baby is born in the Ghetto
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Relevant is Dad didn't give a damn until there may be some money for him
Yes, judge and jury will decide while being scared for their lives if verdict isn't what the Mobs want.
Strange how death or possible death brings the Love out of absent greedy ass family members.

The Marine acted "stupidly" Barry taught ya'll well.
Meanwhile Another little baby is born in the Ghetto
Crazy kid gets choked to death in the subway and your response is to trash his father and call him a money grubbing ass hole…I did not say he acted stupidly, just pointed out that he evidently killed the guy.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I am in favor of due process and innocent until proven guilty. That said, I think it would be tragic if this guy just walked away after choking a crazy guy to death. There is definitely plenty of probable cause to charge the guy. He will get out on bail then get his day In court.
If lefty had a clue, he’d be hammering the GOVERNMENT for this 43-time arrested, 73-year old lady-beating NUTCASE even being on the street.

…but no. Lefty is nearly as mentally ill as this guy.
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
I used to run nightclubs where alcohol was served until 2:00 AM. I used to have ex Marines, Seals and Rangers working the doors there sometimes. They and I have dealt with crazy people and drunks routinely. Never saw anyone even close to getting killed. I think the guy should be tried for manslaughter. You can’t just kill a guy for acting crazy in public. If you decide to play hero, you should damn well know what you are doing. Cutting off a man’s air supply for several minutes will kill him every time.
Well said. Thank you.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Crazy kid gets choked to death in the subway and your response is to trash his father and call him a money grubbing ass hole…I did not say he acted stupidly, just pointed out that he evidently killed the guy.
What else do you call a Dad that had nothing to do with his son for 4 years until he dies and there will be a lawsuit, eh, Lottery and all of a sudden he's front page?
"Evidently killed the guy".........yeah, damn Innocent until proven Guilty.
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Report said his Dad hadn't seen him in 4 years but now that there will be a lawsuit he's front and center just as Floyd's family............amazing how the chance of $millions bring the family love out.
Surely the Marine will not be the only one indicted since others help try to control the mental case,
The Marine was the only one who put him in the chokehold. Why would anyone else be indicted?
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
You and a lot others are assuming the man died from the restraint. Have you seen the coroner's report? (I haven't) He could have been full of drugs or had a heart attack or stroke. Waiting for more information might be a good thing.
Jordan Neely could have had a hangnail too. I hear those can be fatal. :eek:
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Relevant is Dad didn't give a damn until there may be some money for him
Yes, judge and jury will decide while being scared for their lives if verdict isn't what the Mobs want.
Strange how death or possible death brings the Love out of absent greedy ass family members.

The Marine acted "stupidly" Barry taught ya'll well.
Meanwhile Another little baby is born in the Ghetto
How do you know he didn't give a damn? Can you read his heart?
 
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