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Durham report faults FBI..

Crowdstrike said the evidence that the Russians had hacked the DNC was irrefutable.
Oh... they said it everywhere but under oath, that's how "irrefutable" they actually thought it was....... .... kinda as if they knew they were lying and were smart enough not to commit perjury.

The Russians did NOT hack the DNC server, it fit the story they made up so they ran with it.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Crowdstrike said the evidence that the Russians had hacked the DNC was irrefutable.
You seem to hang your hat on agreeing that the Russians probably extracted the email and prepared a .ZIP file or some other compressed file, but there is no evidence they copied the file from the DNC. Really?

Donald Trump said it was probably the Russians.

In the absence of any other explanation for how the email got to Assange...yes, I think the Russians did it. How many Russians were subject to indictment by Mueller?

There are others who know....the person who brought a thumb drive to Assange knows.
Do I trust Assange? Hell no. As I said before...if he admitted the Russian GRU was his source he'd be done as an independent source of info. You do know that Mueller got indictments for 12 Russian GRU officers, right? I know it is unlikely that they will ever be in US custody, but the point is that enough evidence went to the Grand Jury that they issued indictments.

Mueller Investigation: All of the Guilty Pleas, Indictments | Time

And here is the indictment doc.

Indictment (justice.gov)
Why would two completely different "Russian intelligence" groups hack the DNC server? I think it's worth noting that "Cozy Bear" had access to the server for over a year before "Fancy Bear" decided to hack on in, it just so happens, right about the time the Clinton campaign was hatching their plan to frame Trump as a "Russian stooge." And, of course, they were conveniently "uncovered" almost immediately, while Cozy Bear was able to camp out on that server for 15 months. I find that curious, don't you? You think it's a coincidence that someone else showed up to hack the DNC emails and provide them to Assange at the precise time that the Clinton campaign was ginning up an effort to frame Trump for, well, working with Russians to steal the DNC emails and give them to Assange in an effort to "help" Trump win? Yeah, you probably do...because you are a hack.
 
Why would two completely different "Russian intelligence" groups hack the DNC server? I think it's worth noting that "Cozy Bear" had access to the server for over a year before "Fancy Bear" decided to hack on in, it just so happens, right about the time the Clinton campaign was hatching their plan to frame Trump as a "Russian stooge." And, of course, they were conveniently "uncovered" almost immediately, while Cozy Bear was able to camp out on that server for 15 months. I find that curious, don't you? You think it's a coincidence that someone else showed up to hack the DNC emails and provide them to Assange at the precise time that the Clinton campaign was ginning up an effort to frame Trump for, well, working with Russians to steal the DNC emails and give them to Assange in an effort to "help" Trump win? Yeah, you probably do...because you are a hack.
They simply chose Fancy and Cozy because they fit the story they made up, "Russians"........

Like so much since 2015 it was just complete unadulterated bullshit and a level of corruption the country has never seen.
 

EatTheRich

President
Why would two completely different "Russian intelligence" groups hack the DNC server? I think it's worth noting that "Cozy Bear" had access to the server for over a year before "Fancy Bear" decided to hack on in, it just so happens, right about the time the Clinton campaign was hatching their plan to frame Trump as a "Russian stooge." And, of course, they were conveniently "uncovered" almost immediately, while Cozy Bear was able to camp out on that server for 15 months. I find that curious, don't you? You think it's a coincidence that someone else showed up to hack the DNC emails and provide them to Assange at the precise time that the Clinton campaign was ginning up an effort to frame Trump for, well, working with Russians to steal the DNC emails and give them to Assange in an effort to "help" Trump win? Yeah, you probably do...because you are a hack.
Didn’t the hack occur the same day Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton’s emails? The Clinton campaign had no need to try to “frame” Trump … he made the case against himself.
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
No. They said the evidence of coordination they did identify was insufficient to prove coordination, but that might have been because the documented pattern of obstruction.
The key fact is this: Mueller – contrary to weeks of false media claims – did not merely issue a narrow, cramped, legalistic finding that there was insufficient evidence to indict Trump associates for conspiring with Russia and then proving their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That would have been devastating enough to those who spent the last two years or more misleading people to believe that conspiracy convictions of Trump’s closest aides and family members were inevitable. But his mandate was much broader than that: to state what did or did not happen.

That’s precisely what he did: Mueller, in addition to concluding that evidence was insufficient to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference, also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence



Making stuff up doesn't help you case. It makes you look more pathetic. Collusion was a hoax.

But, even if they didn’t coordinate with the Russians, they knew the Russians wanted Trump to win and they took deliberate actions to smooth the way for Russia’s interference campaign.
Nice cop out. These were private citizens. They were not working with the Russians and had no authority with law enforcement or intelligence agencies to work to stop anything. That's no different than blaming you for it. Your post makes no sense.
 

write on

Senator
Didn’t the hack occur the same day Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton’s emails? The Clinton campaign had no need to try to “frame” Trump … he made the case against himself.
Everything is a conspiracy with right wingers.

Where do we go from here?
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
Comey was fired after refusing to pledge loyalty to Trump and not agreeing to kill the investigation into Flynn. Trump should have been indicted for obstruction...
Comey was fired because he refused to publicly clear Trump of Russian collusion despite knowing it had no basis. Comey had freely spoken out publicly to try to clear Hillary Clinton multiple times. The FBI Director works at the pleasure of the President. If expecting him to handle politically charged investigations equally is "loyalty" then call it what you want. He tried to clear Clinton multiple times by speaking out. He utterly refused to speak out to clear Trump even when he knew it was a hoax. That's fireable.

Second, Comey (Obama's FBI Director) was one of the worst FBI Directors in modern times which Trump also cited. The IG excoriated Comey's antics:


As for saying it had something to do with Michael Flynn, I have never seen that cited by any reliable source. It's only come from left-wing, gay circle jerks. That's just left-wing conspiracy.

And if you think with all the above you believe Trump should have been indicted for obstruction then maybe you should have taken that up with Biden's Attorney General. He's the one that's had the authority to do so but who lacks the evidence.


McCabe was fired a few days short of his planned retirement. Pure revenge by Trump. He sued for wrongful termination and was re-instated.
McCabe was fired on recommendation of career officials at the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility(OPR). The Office that handles FBI disciplinary issues and conduct. That is easily verified by a Google search:


The only reason he wasn't fired earlier is because the report's findings that implicated McCabe in corrupt conduct dropped just days before McCabe was going to retire. This is the problem with winger thinking. They have no regard to the facts. Everything is a conspiracy in your brains. OPR issues recommendation for firing based upon corrupt conduct revealed in IG report and you somehow blame it on Trump. That's called TDS.

And, no, McCabe was not "reinstated" to the FBI. He has been banned from every working with the FBI again. . He had his pension returned for 22 years of service. They accomplished that by fudging his termination date by 72 hours. And that was done by Biden's Attorney General.....not a recommendation from OPR.

Strzok was fired for actually expressing his dislike for Trump...
Again, this is not tethered to the facts. It's TDS and left-wing conspiracy. Statement from the FBI on Strzok when the fired him (and once again based on OPR recommendation):

“Mr. Strzok was subject to the standard FBI review and disciplinary process after conduct highlighted in the IG report was referred to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR). OPR reviewed the investigative materials, as well as the written and oral responses of Mr. Strzok and his counsel, and issued OPR's decision. The Deputy Director, as the senior career FBI official, has the delegated authority to review and modify any disciplinary findings and/or penalty as deemed necessary in the best interest of the FBI.”

Strzok's actions during the Russian collusion hoax fired Stzrok. No one else.

You like people like Strzok and McCabe because they hated Trump. The problem is you have a fact problem that slaps you upside the head. Someone without TDS would wake up from that slapping from the OPR. Very sick people do not.
 
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JohnJohnson

Council Member
Everything is a conspiracy with right wingers.

Where do we go from here?
We go to Russia, Russia, Russia, right?

They are responsible for Hunter's laptop, right?

They are responsible for Trump's election win, right?

They secretly worked with Trump to thrown the 2016 election, right?

They are responsible for millions of bots on Twitter, right?

I think Vlad his hiding in your bushes waiting to kill you tonight.

LOL
 

write on

Senator
We go to Russia, Russia, Russia, right?

They are responsible for Hunter's laptop, right?

They are responsible for Trump's election win, right?

They secretly worked with Trump to thrown the 2016 election, right?

They are responsible for millions of bots on Twitter, right?

I think Vlad his hiding in your bushes waiting to kill you tonight.

LOL
You know it!

I'd give you an update, but I'll leave that to Elon.

As an aside;

What tf is wrong with Twitter?
 

protectionist

Governor
“This recent report” has produced no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by McCabe, Strzok or Comey. Just inuendo, slander and political bias by the writer. He never even tried to make any official allegations against ANY of them. When he did insist on charging someone, he got laughed out of court 12-0 by the jury after 1/2 hour of deliberation. When reading that report, consider the FACT that the writer was a hired political hack and a major failure, at that. Remember this TB. if a prosecutor really has no evidence of a crime after 4 years and no successful prosecutions, that’s a big indication that there was no crimes committed.
It's not just a matter of "crimes".. It is crimes and/or torts as well. And lying under oath is a crime (perjury), a well as spying, seditious conspiracy, interfering with an election. And Trump can easily show damages$$$, with all the legal fees he had to pay, in response to the libel, slander, et leveled against him.

 
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JohnJohnson

Council Member
What tf is wrong with Twitter?
Who says something is wrong with it?

The fact-checking with facts has been handing the left their asses recently. Did you see the doozy fact-check recently when Biden tried to claim he was responsible for the budget reduction? Brutal takedown!
 

write on

Senator
Who says something is wrong with it?

The fact-checking with facts has been handing the left their asses recently. Did you see the doozy fact-check recently when Biden tried to claim he was responsible for the budget reduction? Brutal takedown!
Why don't you quote me using the entire text?

You're the epitome of Trump.

:(
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
You have a way to sense emotions from a text message? No kidding. "Not objective"? I am entirely objective. You think you are capable or re-evaluating your position? I disagree. You have failed to present a credible argument for me to agree with you.
Durham has completely failed to prove any criminal act. His only proof of bias is Strzok's messages about how much he disliked Trump.

What do you think indicates I do not tolerate your viewpoint? I disagree and have posted the reasons why. You have disagreed with my opinions...somehow my disagreement with you gets intolerant responses from you.

Are you willing to evaluate YOUR opinions based upon the findings of the OPR?

“Mr. Strzok was subject to the standard FBI review and disciplinary process after conduct highlighted in the IG report was referred to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR). OPR reviewed the investigative materials, as well as the written and oral responses of Mr. Strzok and his counsel, and issued OPR's decision. The Deputy Director, as the senior career FBI official, has the delegated authority to review and modify any disciplinary findings and/or penalty as deemed necessary in the best interest of the FBI.”


Under light of the FBI's and its IG's findings above is there a reason why we should do anything other than straight up laugh our asses off at your opinion on Strzok right now?
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
Why don't you quote me using the entire text?
Your Russian conspiracies are looney. Not interested in responding to them.

But you did express the opinion that something was wrong with Twitter so I asked. Apparently you don't have an answer. Wise choice to duck it.
 

protectionist

Governor
neither the U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane Investigation,”

A coup by an other name.
Of course this conclusion was already confirmed years ago by the Mueller report.
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
My opinion is that Durham simply expressed opinions on the investigations into Russian activities and whether or not the FBI should have also been investigating members of the Trump campaign.

Again...the facts do not support his opinions

Facts DO support his findings. There was no evidence whatsoever that Trump was working with the Russians. This never happened.
 

protectionist

Governor
It is obvious that the FBI has corruption. And yes, I agree that you don’t have to like Trump to hate what the FBI did. Mission accomplished by the FBI as they played a huge role in the division of our Country.
Even leftist media star Chuck Todd, on Meet the Press, issued a scathing denunciation of the FBI.
 

JohnJohnson

Council Member
Trump wasn't exonerated despite the mantra by repubs he was.
Whether the President Is Exonerated on Obstruction of Justice

This one here is another one of those dullard leftists that isn't bright enough to understand the difference between Russian collusion and obstruction. Oh boy.

:D

By the way, he was cleared on obstruction, too. The DOJ threw it out. Even Biden's very own AG didn't reopen the case despite the fact he'd desperately give his tiny left nut to somehow throw Trump behind bars.

Ouch!
 
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