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Skelator has nothing to say about the Durham report.

middleview

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cold hard evidence of what?

Durham expressed the opinions that the FBI should not have investigated the possibility of collusion when the criminal offense clearly stood to benefit Trump and hurt Clinton. He also thinks the Clinton campaign plan to link Trump to Putin should have been investigated.

Pretty bizarre logic...should the FBI get involved in every tactic used by rival campaigns...even if there is no crime involved? Would every slur thrown at Hillary or Joe by Trump involved fact checking by the FBI?
 

sensible don

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You know even Fox entertainment has given up on this NOTHINGBURGER but keep the faith oh ye faithful cultists
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
cold hard evidence of what?

Durham expressed the opinions that the FBI should not have investigated the possibility of collusion when the criminal offense clearly stood to benefit Trump and hurt Clinton. He also thinks the Clinton campaign plan to link Trump to Putin should have been investigated.

Pretty bizarre logic...should the FBI get involved in every tactic used by rival campaigns...even if there is no crime involved? Would every slur thrown at Hillary or Joe by Trump involved fact checking by the FBI?
You are ignoring how well it "clearly" supported Hillary Clinton's efforts to frame Trump. Now that we know about her efforts in that endeavor without a doubt, it changes everything (and renders all your postings on the matter utter bullsh*t).
 

middleview

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You are ignoring how well it "clearly" supported Hillary Clinton's efforts to frame Trump. Now that we know about her efforts in that endeavor without a doubt, it changes everything (and renders all your postings on the matter utter bullsh*t).
Yet more goofy logic from right field.

The IG report disagrees with Durham. The team working Crossfire didn't see the Steele Dossier for 2 months after the investigation began.

The Russians were actively working to elect Trump. Connecting Trump to the Russians was not illegal...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yet more goofy logic from right field.

The IG report disagrees with Durham. The team working Crossfire didn't see the Steele Dossier for 2 months after the investigation began.

The Russians were actively working to elect Trump. Connecting Trump to the Russians was not illegal...
The IG is a hack. When has an IG ever found ANY fault with any bureaucrat?

Where did I say the Steele "dossier" was the impetus to start Crossfire Hurricane? Nellie Ohr (wife of Justice Dept's Bruce Ohr) was the one sheparding the "dossier" into existence. Why would you think they would not have been fed any of the information she was fabricating through her husband long before the "dossier" came into existence?

You have zero proof of that, as did the Justice Department. Connecting Trump to the Russians was an attempt to help Clinton's effort to smear Trump. Was that illegal? I don't know, but it sure was election interference.
 

middleview

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The IG is a hack. When has an IG ever found ANY fault with any bureaucrat?

Where did I say the Steele "dossier" was the impetus to start Crossfire Hurricane? Nellie Ohr (wife of Justice Dept's Bruce Ohr) was the one sheparding the "dossier" into existence. Why would you think they would not have been fed any of the information she was fabricating through her husband long before the "dossier" came into existence?

You have zero proof of that, as did the Justice Department. Connecting Trump to the Russians was an attempt to help Clinton's effort to smear Trump. Was that illegal? I don't know, but it sure was election interference.
Can you prove Nellie Ohr had anything to do with Steele?

Look...opposition research happens all the time...was Rudy interfering in the election when he took the laptop copy to the NYPost? Was that illegal?
 

middleview

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The IG is a hack. When has an IG ever found ANY fault with any bureaucrat?

Where did I say the Steele "dossier" was the impetus to start Crossfire Hurricane? Nellie Ohr (wife of Justice Dept's Bruce Ohr) was the one sheparding the "dossier" into existence. Why would you think they would not have been fed any of the information she was fabricating through her husband long before the "dossier" came into existence?

You have zero proof of that, as did the Justice Department. Connecting Trump to the Russians was an attempt to help Clinton's effort to smear Trump. Was that illegal? I don't know, but it sure was election interference.
Really? The IG is a hack? Do you think that is all you need to do to avoid confronting the opinions you don't like? You prefer Durham's opinions. Ok. Just know that his "findings" are his opinions. His facts do not support his summary. He found little to indict anyone for....one lawyer pled guilty to deleting a line from an email.

He found nothing at all to support the accusation that there was any kind of substantial anti-Trump sentiment behind starting the Crossfire investigation or the Mueller investigation.

Strzok didn't like Trump...guess what....there are lots of people in government who didn't like Hillary. SFW?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Really? The IG is a hack? Do you think that is all you need to do to avoid confronting the opinions you don't like? You prefer Durham's opinions. Ok. Just know that his "findings" are his opinions. His facts do not support his summary. He found little to indict anyone for....one lawyer pled guilty to deleting a line from an email.

He found nothing at all to support the accusation that there was any kind of substantial anti-Trump sentiment behind starting the Crossfire investigation or the Mueller investigation.

Strzok didn't like Trump...guess what....there are lots of people in government who didn't like Hillary. SFW?
As I pointed out, unless they put their motives down on paper, there was zero possibility of indicting any of the bureaucrats for a crime. So, while there was a lack of evidence of a crime, the evidence is overwhelming that they acted shamefully. But according to you, it's "medals for everyone." Because you are a hack.
 

middleview

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As I pointed out, unless they put their motives down on paper, there was zero possibility of indicting any of the bureaucrats for a crime. So, while there was a lack of evidence of a crime, the evidence is overwhelming that they acted shamefully. But according to you, it's "medals for everyone." Because you are a hack.
Just as I said about the conspiracy between the Russians and the Trump campaign. Unless you get someone on the inside of the conspiracy to flip...proving it is impossible.

Now...your side argues that there should not have been an investigation into the Russian interference in the election. Crossfire should not have happened at all. The FBI should have just said...well, we have no solid evidence of collusion, so let's just drop it.

Now we have no evidence of a crime or a conspiracy within the FBI to create some anti-Trump investigation, but Trump went ahead with appointing Durham to create one.

You admit a lack of evidence of a crime, but insist they acted shamefully. Based on what evidence?

We knew of a crime in hacking the DNC. We saw DNC Email being delivered to Wikileaks and published. There was good reason to investigate the crime and anyone who stood to gain. Given the large number of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign folks...it absolutely made sense to suspect the Trump campaign.

You call me a hack because you have little to go on to dispute the facts. You think, somehow discrediting other posters helps your argument. It doesn't. In my opinion, your slavish devotion to the MAGA cause indicates who the hack is.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Just as I said about the conspiracy between the Russians and the Trump campaign. Unless you get someone on the inside of the conspiracy to flip...proving it is impossible.

Now...your side argues that there should not have been an investigation into the Russian interference in the election. Crossfire should not have happened at all. The FBI should have just said...well, we have no solid evidence of collusion, so let's just drop it.

Now we have no evidence of a crime or a conspiracy within the FBI to create some anti-Trump investigation, but Trump went ahead with appointing Durham to create one.

You admit a lack of evidence of a crime, but insist they acted shamefully. Based on what evidence?

We knew of a crime in hacking the DNC. We saw DNC Email being delivered to Wikileaks and published. There was good reason to investigate the crime and anyone who stood to gain. Given the large number of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign folks...it absolutely made sense to suspect the Trump campaign.

You call me a hack because you have little to go on to dispute the facts. You think, somehow discrediting other posters helps your argument. It doesn't. In my opinion, your slavish devotion to the MAGA cause indicates who the hack is.
I call you a hack because you keep pretending this:


Never happened.

Well it did, and the intelligence community and almost certainly the folks at Justice were aware of it as well. Obviously, that knowledge would suggest exercising restraint on running willy nilly into an investigation of the Trump campaign for alleged "Russian collusion." But not to a, well, hack...
 

middleview

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I call you a hack because you keep pretending this:


Never happened.

Well it did, and the intelligence community and almost certainly the folks at Justice were aware of it as well. Obviously, that knowledge would suggest exercising restraint on running willy nilly into an investigation of the Trump campaign for alleged "Russian collusion." But not to a, well, hack...
Holy shit...you keep getting your timeline flipped on it's head. Wikileaks put out the first batch of DNC email in July 2016. At the end of July the FBI started Crossfire.

Your own link does not say that the Clinton plan was part of a plan to frame Trump.
Why in hell would that have anything at all to do with whether or not the criminal act by the Russians would have been investigated for any relationship to the Trump campaign?

Mueller concluded that Russian interference occurred in a "sweeping and systematic fashion" and that there were substantial links between Russians and the Trump campaign, but the evidence available to investigators did not establish that the Trump campaign had "conspired or coordinated" with the Russian government.

You seem to think the information that the Clinton campaign was planning on trying to connect the Trump campaign to Russian criminal actions would mean the actions of the Russian intelligence agencies didn't happen. Without an investigation how would anyone know if there was or wasn't cooperation between the two?

I have not pretended Brenan did not brief Obama. I disagree with your interpretation of why it happened.
 
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cold hard evidence of what?

Durham expressed the opinions that the FBI should not have investigated the possibility of collusion when the criminal offense clearly stood to benefit Trump and hurt Clinton. He also thinks the Clinton campaign plan to link Trump to Putin should have been investigated.

Pretty bizarre logic...should the FBI get involved in every tactic used by rival campaigns...even if there is no crime involved? Would every slur thrown at Hillary or Joe by Trump involved fact checking by the FBI?
The FBI (Federal Bureau of Idiots) was in the center of all this on behalf of Hilly and her Klan. You know it. You just won't admit it. This is sad that Americans will look the other way just because someone in thier party is wrong. Very sad indeed.
 

middleview

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The FBI (Federal Bureau of Idiots) was in the center of all this on behalf of Hilly and her Klan. You know it. You just won't admit it. This is sad that Americans will look the other way just because someone in thier party is wrong. Very sad indeed.
You can pretend all you like that Durham offered any evidence to back that up. He failed completely. He offered opinions, but not supported by the facts.

Strzok didn't like Trump. BFD. Do you honestly think there were not FBI personnel who didn't like Hillary?

Crossfire was an investigation driven by the facts that the Russians had hacked the DNC and other election related systems and the information from Downer that there were members of the Trump campaign who knew about the release of DNC email by Wikileaks before it happened.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Holy shit...you keep getting your timeline flipped on it's head. Wikileaks put out the first batch of DNC email in July 2016. At the end of July the FBI started Crossfire.

Your own link does not say that the Clinton plan was part of a plan to frame Trump.
Why in hell would that have anything at all to do with whether or not the criminal act by the Russians would have been investigated for any relationship to the Trump campaign?

Mueller concluded that Russian interference occurred in a "sweeping and systematic fashion" and that there were substantial links between Russians and the Trump campaign, but the evidence available to investigators did not establish that the Trump campaign had "conspired or coordinated" with the Russian government.

You seem to think the information that the Clinton campaign was planning on trying to connect the Trump campaign to Russian criminal actions would mean the actions of the Russian intelligence agencies didn't happen. Without an investigation how would anyone know if there was or wasn't cooperation between the two?

I have not pretended Brenan did not brief Obama. I disagree with your interpretation of why it happened.
So that was Mueller's opinion. Obviously, he was wrong. So what, Hillary wasn't in charge of her campaign? Her underlings did it so she could maintain "plausible deniability." Only a hack or a fool would suggest she let her people run wild without supervision. Which are you?
 

condorkristy

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The FBI (Federal Bureau of Idiots) was in the center of all this on behalf of Hilly and her Klan. You know it. You just won't admit it. This is sad that Americans will look the other way just because someone in thier party is wrong. Very sad indeed.
Strange she didn't win. Oh well.
 
You can pretend all you like that Durham offered any evidence to back that up. He failed completely. He offered opinions, but not supported by the facts.

Strzok didn't like Trump. BFD. Do you honestly think there were not FBI personnel who didn't like Hillary?

Crossfire was an investigation driven by the facts that the Russians had hacked the DNC and other election related systems and the information from Downer that there were members of the Trump campaign who knew about the release of DNC email by Wikileaks before it happened.
Only, we now find out they didn't hack the DNC.
 

middleview

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So that was Mueller's opinion. Obviously, he was wrong. So what, Hillary wasn't in charge of her campaign? Her underlings did it so she could maintain "plausible deniability." Only a hack or a fool would suggest she let her people run wild without supervision. Which are you?
Only a hack or a fool would continue to make allegations without evidence. There was no attempt to frame Trump.
 
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