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$110 billion annually in shoplifting? Not really a problem, sez some social justice college professor . . .

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Photo above - abandoned, empty supermarket. If you are the last person to leave, would you please turn off the lights?

Do you shoplift for a living? If so, Alex Vitale – founder of the “Social Justice Project” at Brooklyn college - has your back. Professor Vitale says we're getting all worked up over nothing. That despite what we see in the news, shoplifting is normal human behavior, and should be decriminalized. See link at bottom.

First of all, I want to apologize for introducing the economic theories of some New York sociology professor into this forum. You'd expect someone with a PhD in wishful thinking to be clueless, and Alex Vitale does not disappoint on that score. But to be fair, the professor IS simply trying to make a buck hawking his latest book, “The End of Policing”. He's FOR less policing, not against it, in case you couldn't guess. But I'm sure Professor Vitale does NOT want you to shoplift his book. Perhaps you should buy it online through Amazon, and check your front stoop on delivery day and get to it before any porch pirates do. Better yet, purchase and read his book online, to avoid contributing to shoplifting - which shouldn't even be a crime in the first place. Physical bookstores are so 20th century, anyway.

How much is $110 billion in shoplifting (excluding Amazon porch pirates)? About $1,000 for each American family - in higher prices to cover the cost of goods stolen. Whoa . . . when you put it that way, maybe shoplifting actually IS a problem. That's jacking up my grocery bill A LOT, professor!

Professor Vitale began his career in 1990 lobbying for the decriminalization of homelessness, graffiti, drug use, and prostitution. Buidling on his success in these areas, he's now advocating legalized retail theft. I have a question at this point, Professor: do you personally live in a building covered by graffiti, surrounded by meth/fentanyl users in tents, and streetwalkers 24/7? Be honest . . .

I'm guessing Professor Vitale's apartment looks pretty normal. If it is something out of a dystopian horror movie, I apologize. But I doubt that. If someone lives in a safe place, it's always easier to tell everyone else to suck it up. What's the adage? . . . “A conservative is a liberal who just got mugged!” (originator – mayor Frank Rizzo). Evidently $1,000 a year in higher prices due to shoplifting is okay, as long as nobody gets mugged. Wait . . . can we be sure the shoplifters aren't also muggers? Or street level drug dealers? Do shoplifters have a moral code, and confine themselves to pocketing cold medicine, liquor, and jumbo frozen shrimp?

Okay snowflakes – you've waited patiently for my outrageous snark, and here it is: Why are things like steak, shrimp, liquor, iPhones, Nikes, and meth precursors the main targets of shoplifters? Are we to conclude that the Food Stamp program is falling short of basic human needs? Maybe if we implement universal basic income, people will stop shoplifting, dealing drugs, and muggings? Okay – I had to get that one out of my system.

Professor Vitale evidently doesn't think store closures – creating food deserts in urban areas – will be a problem for residents who live there. Maybe if we stop arresting shoplifters, we should also make it illegal for those stores to flee, or go bankrupt? If they do go bankrupt, maybe the government should build a grocery store of its own there? Chicago has a new program to experiment with this - city run supermarkets. Because, you know, the city of Chicago is doing so well with public schools, affordable housing, and crime that they have extra resources to try their luck at milk, eggs, and bread?

I wish Chicago good luck with their grocery store adventure - honestly. I only ask that the Mayor and City Council contact Professor Vitale before they have their grand opening. Ask the professor if he wants the city to look the other way if shelves are stripped bare by decriminalized shoplifters. If that starts to happen, then store prices paid by anyone NOT shoplifting are going to need a re-think.

I'm just sayin' . . .

What America’s shoplifting panic is really about | CNN Business
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Some obscure, nutty dude expounds on something and you write an endless screed about it. Why not focus on prevailing views? Official policy positions? Something that matters.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
Photo above - abandoned, empty supermarket. If you are the last person to leave, would you please turn off the lights?

Do you shoplift for a living? If so, Alex Vitale – founder of the “Social Justice Project” at Brooklyn college - has your back. Professor Vitale says we're getting all worked up over nothing. That despite what we see in the news, shoplifting is normal human behavior, and should be decriminalized. See link at bottom.

First of all, I want to apologize for introducing the economic theories of some New York sociology professor into this forum. You'd expect someone with a PhD in wishful thinking to be clueless, and Alex Vitale does not disappoint on that score. But to be fair, the professor IS simply trying to make a buck hawking his latest book, “The End of Policing”. He's FOR less policing, not against it, in case you couldn't guess. But I'm sure Professor Vitale does NOT want you to shoplift his book. Perhaps you should buy it online through Amazon, and check your front stoop on delivery day and get to it before any porch pirates do. Better yet, purchase and read his book online, to avoid contributing to shoplifting - which shouldn't even be a crime in the first place. Physical bookstores are so 20th century, anyway.

How much is $110 billion in shoplifting (excluding Amazon porch pirates)? About $1,000 for each American family - in higher prices to cover the cost of goods stolen. Whoa . . . when you put it that way, maybe shoplifting actually IS a problem. That's jacking up my grocery bill A LOT, professor!

Professor Vitale began his career in 1990 lobbying for the decriminalization of homelessness, graffiti, drug use, and prostitution. Buidling on his success in these areas, he's now advocating legalized retail theft. I have a question at this point, Professor: do you personally live in a building covered by graffiti, surrounded by meth/fentanyl users in tents, and streetwalkers 24/7? Be honest . . .

I'm guessing Professor Vitale's apartment looks pretty normal. If it is something out of a dystopian horror movie, I apologize. But I doubt that. If someone lives in a safe place, it's always easier to tell everyone else to suck it up. What's the adage? . . . “A conservative is a liberal who just got mugged!” (originator – mayor Frank Rizzo). Evidently $1,000 a year in higher prices due to shoplifting is okay, as long as nobody gets mugged. Wait . . . can we be sure the shoplifters aren't also muggers? Or street level drug dealers? Do shoplifters have a moral code, and confine themselves to pocketing cold medicine, liquor, and jumbo frozen shrimp?

Okay snowflakes – you've waited patiently for my outrageous snark, and here it is: Why are things like steak, shrimp, liquor, iPhones, Nikes, and meth precursors the main targets of shoplifters? Are we to conclude that the Food Stamp program is falling short of basic human needs? Maybe if we implement universal basic income, people will stop shoplifting, dealing drugs, and muggings? Okay – I had to get that one out of my system.

Professor Vitale evidently doesn't think store closures – creating food deserts in urban areas – will be a problem for residents who live there. Maybe if we stop arresting shoplifters, we should also make it illegal for those stores to flee, or go bankrupt? If they do go bankrupt, maybe the government should build a grocery store of its own there? Chicago has a new program to experiment with this - city run supermarkets. Because, you know, the city of Chicago is doing so well with public schools, affordable housing, and crime that they have extra resources to try their luck at milk, eggs, and bread?

I wish Chicago good luck with their grocery store adventure - honestly. I only ask that the Mayor and City Council contact Professor Vitale before they have their grand opening. Ask the professor if he wants the city to look the other way if shelves are stripped bare by decriminalized shoplifters. If that starts to happen, then store prices paid by anyone NOT shoplifting are going to need a re-think.

I'm just sayin' . . .

What America’s shoplifting panic is really about | CNN Business

This seems simple to me.

1) Shoplifting, aka stealing, is wrong.

2) There should be consequences for those who do what is wrong.



We can over-analyze the issue so that some college professor can indulge his/her ego, but I 'll just stick with stealing is wrong, and go from there.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
This seems simple to me.

1) Shoplifting, aka stealing, is wrong.

2) There should be consequences for those who do what is wrong.



We can over-analyze the issue so that some college professor can indulge his/her ego, but I 'll just stick with stealing is wrong, and go from there.
I wish wingers applied their “rules” to their political cult leaders.
 

Boltlady

Mayor
Some obscure, nutty dude expounds on something and you write an endless screed about it. Why not focus on prevailing views? Official policy positions? Something that matters.
Your response here explains why you are usually way off base on your posts. You don't understand the synergy with different happenings. You think everything is in it's own box and doesn't affect other things. You need to stand at least ten feet back from a painting to see the whole picture and you need to do something similar to see the reality of politics.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Your response here explains why you are usually way off base on your posts. You don't understand the synergy with different happenings. You think everything is in it's own box and doesn't affect other things. You need to stand at least ten feet back from a painting to see the whole picture and you need to do something similar to see the reality of politics.
Nope. My actual view is as I stated it. I see no benefit from yapping about the expressed views of obscure, fringe people.

Something else I find remarkable - the post is a lengthy screed about the supposed views of an obscure professor about shoplifting, but it doesn’t even quote him on the subject.

WTF
 
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protectionist

Governor
Some obscure, nutty dude expounds on something and you write an endless screed about it. Why not focus on prevailing views? Official policy positions? Something that matters.
Because too many nutty dudes like this one. think like this, and for too many leftists not wrapped too tight, it looks like normal to them. Then you have an epidemic of shoplifiting, or whatever the loony tune is at that time. And the shoplifting looniesness has already spread (in blue states).
 
Some obscure, nutty dude expounds on something and you write an endless screed about it. Why not focus on prevailing views? Official policy positions? Something that matters.
i thought it was newsworthy because professor vitale received a feature-length interview on CNN. that was the link you never looked it.

in the future, i will look forward to EVERY CNN interview, and your description of the guests as "nutjobs"
 
This seems simple to me.

1) Shoplifting, aka stealing, is wrong.

2) There should be consequences for those who do what is wrong.



We can over-analyze the issue so that some college professor can indulge his/her ego, but I 'll just stick with stealing is wrong, and go from there.
professor vitale has a very clear - and very wrong - agenda. unless its, murder, rape, or a gun crime, release without bail. in some cases don't even send a squad car.

there is no nation on earth where this produces a safe society
 
Because too many nutty dudes like this one. think like this, and for too many leftists not wrapped too tight, it looks like normal to them. Then you have an epidemic of shoplifiting, or whatever the loony tune is at that time. And the shoplifting looniesness has already spread (in blue states).
maybe he's a shoplifter, and is taking to heart my first paragraph that professor vitale "has his back"?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
professor vitale has a very clear - and very wrong - agenda. unless its, murder, rape, or a gun crime, release without bail. in some cases don't even send a squad car.

there is no nation on earth where this produces a safe society
I'm guessing he lives in a gated community.... :)
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Because too many nutty dudes like this one. think like this, and for too many leftists not wrapped too tight, it looks like normal to them. Then you have an epidemic of shoplifiting, or whatever the loony tune is at that time. And the shoplifting looniesness has already spread (in blue states).
That’s ridiculous. I have never heard anyone say shoplifting should be legal. Never. Yet you think it’s a prevalent view.

Again, you’re brainwashed.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
i thought it was newsworthy because professor vitale received a feature-length interview on CNN. that was the link you never looked it.

in the future, i will look forward to EVERY CNN interview, and your description of the guests as "nutjobs"
That linked piece does not contain any quotes from the dude justifying what you said in your screed. Same with your screed itself. But you have your agenda. I get it.
 
In Red state America the meth addicts got for the cold medicines..Why no mention of that?You babbling bigots always seem to overlook things
if you had bothered to read the post, you would have seen that cold medicines were prominently featured.

thanks for participating.
 
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