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18 dead in elementary school shooting in Tx.

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I haven't heard anybody say that. You got a video of somebody saying it ? If so, show it.
To hear the National Rifle Association tell it, the biggest problem with the bipartisan agreement to expand criminal background checks is what it doesn’t propose to do. “I think what they’ll do is turn this universal check on the law-abiding into a universal registry of law-abiding people,” warns Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, on Fox News Sunday. “Obamacare wasn’t a tax until they wanted it to be a tax.”

 

protectionist

Governor
You are truly nuts. Feel free to show how the Promise Program prevented his arrest on a felony charge.

Sounds like you don't know what the Promise Program is. And I didn't say anything about a "felony" charge. Have no idea why you bring that up. But I'll show how the PP prevented his arrest on dozens of misdemeanor charges. Which in turn prevented him from having the criminal record he should have had, and thus enabled him to buy guns.

Ingraham: 'PROMISE Program' Hailed By Obama Admin Led to Florida Schools Ignoring Violent Students

PROMISE Program Exposed by This Show - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Policy and Consequence – Broward County Sheriff Union President Notes “Promise Program” and Consequences…

Post-Parkland, Experts Ask: Did Obama's 'Promise Program' Cost 17 Victims Their Lives?

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Progressive PROMISE Program Still at Issue in the Making of Parkland Tragedy

Parkland Kids Need To Get More Informed
 

protectionist

Governor
Well he is a security guard. Lol. Someday he may work his way up to janitor
I'm retired, but work part time as a music teacher. I'm also a professional fine artist. I last worked as a security guard, 13 years ago as a retirement part time job. Before that, I worked as a quality control mechanical inspector and engineer in machine shops and high tech companies.

What I didn't do, was work as an urban planner, after Affirmative Action ruined that career plan, and forced me to quit graduate school. As for security guards and janitors, at least they do good needed HONEST work, unlike the Democrats now being exposed in the Durham case.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Look...the store in Buffalo had an armed security guard. He's dead.

What is your suggestion? Turn schools, churches and synagogues into armed camps? Barbed wire and guard towers at every corner?
Why was this shooter able to walk into this grade school while classes were in session? Around here you can get into the vestibule and that's it unless someone inside opens the door for you. Did some idiot buzz this guy in? Or do they not bother to lock their schools while the (vulnerable) children are inside?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yeah ?

Or you are just trying to blame it on his ethnicity.
Kind of sounds like to me that if his grandmother was here.
Then likely his parents are here.
So all 3 generations being here illegally is a stretch, since parent don't generally move to another country and leave their kids behind. For that to happen in this case, this family would have had to do it two generations in a row.
But anything is possible, if you believe that most of the Hispanics in Texas are there illegally.
So you are suggesting he was an "anchor baby?" You may be on to something here...
 

protectionist

Governor
Just one more example of you playing dumb.
1. Obama had nothing to do with the Promise Program in Broward County.
2. The Promise Program did not keep Cruz from being arrested on a felony...misdemeanors don't count in denying a gun purchase.
The Promise Program did keep Cruz from being arrested on charges that would have stopped his gun purchases. There are 10 categories of people may not buy a firearm in Florida. One group is convicted felons, unless they have had their right to own, possess and use a firearm restored. An illegal alien, a person who has renounced U.S. citizenship, and a fugitive from justice also cannot purchase firearms.
A person who is an unlawful user, or addicted to, a controlled substance, and a person who has been dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces also cannot purchase a firearm. In addition, a person who has been adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed to treatment cannot buy a gun. Further, a person who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence or is the subject of an active protection order, such as a restraining order or an injunction for protection, cannot buy a firearm.
A person is not allowed to buy a firearm if they committed a delinquent act when they were a juvenile that would have been a felony if committed as an adult. This changes when they turn 24 or if their record has been expunged. There are a number of different types of expungement, including a court-ordered expungement.

Cruz meets the definition of a few of these. Just for 1 example, domestic violence 911 calls were answered by police going to Cruz' house 36 times.

Here's a list of crimes that the Promise Program prevented police from getting involved in: Alcohol-related incidents, assault, threat, bullying, disruption on campus, drug use, possession, under the influence, drug paraphernalia, possession, false accusation against school staff, fighting, mutual combat, harassment, thefts, trespassing, vandalism and damage to property. Cruz was guilty of dozens of these. His offenses may have numbered over 100.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
1. By the background checks.
2. Ex post facto application of felon disarmament is not due process, and there are also equal protection issues with felon disarmament based on racist application of the laws. Not to mention it may not be such a good idea. Huey P. Newton wasn’t able to carry a pistol because of such laws.
3. Why should responsible gun owners be punished for what irresponsible gun owners do?
I guess next DUI driver that kills someone they will post take everyones car from them
 

protectionist

Governor
Just one more example of you playing dumb.
1. Obama had nothing to do with the Promise Program in Broward County.
2. The Promise Program did not keep Cruz from being arrested on a felony...misdemeanors don't count in denying a gun purchase.
Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry.

In 2013, the year before Cruz entered High school, the Broward County school system rewrote its discipline policy to make it much more difficult for administrators to suspend or expel problem students, or for campus police to arrest them for misdemeanors– including some of the crimes Cruz allegedly committed in the years and months leading up to the deadly Feb. 14 shooting at his Fort Lauderdale-area school.

The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here), and came against a backdrop of other efforts to rein in perceived excesses in "zero tolerance" discipline policies, including in Florida.

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.


Superintendent Robert W. Runcie.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.

The achievement gap "becomes intensified in the school-to-prison pipeline, where black males are disproportionately represented,” he said at the time. “We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel backed Runcie’s plan to diminish the authority of police in responding to campus Crime. A November 2013 video shows him signing the district’s 16-page "collaborative agreement on school discipline,” which lists more than a dozen misdemeanors that can no longer be reported to police, along with five steps police must “exhaust” before even considering placing a student under arrest.

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted.

Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan on the reforms ever since landing the Broward job in 2011, using as a reference the name of the Cabinet secretary, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

Applications for federal grants reveal that Runcie’s plan factored into approval of tens of millions of dollars in federal funding from Duncan's department.

The store clerk who sold Nicolas Cruz his guns had no idea of Cruz' extensive criminal record, all of it, blacked out by the Promise Program. Had he known, the guns would not have been sold. Isn't this the gun control you libs have been hollering for ?
You think it's OK to let High schoolers to buy guns without an honest record check, as long as they are of a minority race ?

Behind Cruz's Florida Rampage, Obama's School-Leniency Policy | RealClearInvestigations
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
That's a promo for the repub white supremacist "great replacement" plan/plot.
You come up with a reason why virtually unchecked immigration by peasants from Central and South America and Africa is good for America yet Julie?

I mean seriously - you guys have been saying for years that America's "racist, white supremacist" power structure is evil and needs to be destroyed. Why is it ludicrous to suggest that perhaps you see whole sale importation of tens of millions of black and brown people as a way to accomplish that?

Oops, did I say the quiet part out loud???
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
That's what they're doing now in Hillsborough County, Florida, but just arming the school staff would be better with more good guy guns, and more police kept on the streets, in supermarkets, and other places where mass shooters could show up.
You can't get into a school up here in PA unless someone meets you at the door and verifies your ID and the fact that you have an appointment. How did this dirt bag get into this school anyway?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry.

In 2013, the year before Cruz entered High school, the Broward County school system rewrote its discipline policy to make it much more difficult for administrators to suspend or expel problem students, or for campus police to arrest them for misdemeanors– including some of the crimes Cruz allegedly committed in the years and months leading up to the deadly Feb. 14 shooting at his Fort Lauderdale-area school.

The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here), and came against a backdrop of other efforts to rein in perceived excesses in "zero tolerance" discipline policies, including in Florida.

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.


Superintendent Robert W. Runcie.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.

The achievement gap "becomes intensified in the school-to-prison pipeline, where black males are disproportionately represented,” he said at the time. “We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel backed Runcie’s plan to diminish the authority of police in responding to campus Crime. A November 2013 video shows him signing the district’s 16-page "collaborative agreement on school discipline,” which lists more than a dozen misdemeanors that can no longer be reported to police, along with five steps police must “exhaust” before even considering placing a student under arrest.

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted.

Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan on the reforms ever since landing the Broward job in 2011, using as a reference the name of the Cabinet secretary, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

Applications for federal grants reveal that Runcie’s plan factored into approval of tens of millions of dollars in federal funding from Duncan's department.

The store clerk who sold Nicolas Cruz his guns had no idea of Cruz' extensive criminal record, all of it, blacked out by the Promise Program. Had he known, the guns would not have been sold. Isn't this the gun control you libs have been hollering for ?
You think it's OK to let High schoolers to buy guns without an honest record check, as long as they are of a minority race ?

Behind Cruz's Florida Rampage, Obama's School-Leniency Policy | RealClearInvestigation
once again...misdemeanors do not prevent a gun purchase...what felony did Cruz commit?
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