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3 Key Reasons for War in Ukraine

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georgephillip said:
US sanctions and Operation Timber Sycamore hired killers are responsible for most of the deaths in Syria just as US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan created ISIS and the Taliban; some things never change:
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1. Sanctions leveled Aleppo?
2. the civil war in Syria was caused by Assad
3. the invasion of Afghanistan had nothing at all to do with ISIS.
4. Our invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the genesis of the Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad into Al Qaeda in Iraq and the ISI, ISIL and finally ISIS. Blaming the US for the brutality of Zaraqawi is simply bizarre.
 
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georgephillip said:
Would you agree a majority of Iranians and Koreans agree it's time to end the killing even if that means Ukraine will be forced to give up territory? Russia is fully capable of waging the conflict for as long as necessary without Iran or Korea, but Ukraine is totally dependent on foreign aid for its resistance.
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Would you agree that Iranians and North Koreans don't get a say in whether or not Ukrainians continue to fight to defeat the Russians? When will Ukrainians get to vote on Iran's policies?
 
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georgephillip said:
Most countries backing Russia are sick of US imperialism as are a majority of human beings on this planet. The US puppets ruling many of those states are paid to believe differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

"Since the 19th century, the United States government has participated and interfered, both overtly and covertly, in the replacement of many foreign governments.

"In the latter half of the 19th century, the U.S. government initiated actions for regime change mainly in Latin America and the southwest Pacific, including the Spanish–American and Philippine–American wars.

"At the onset of the 20th century, the United States shaped or installed governments in many countries around the world, including neighbors Hawaii, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic."
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Are you thinking the Russians did not have anything to do with mandating who would be in control of Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany, Bulgaria and Afghanistan?

The invasion of Ukraine is an example of Russian imperialism. Seems you are ok with that.
 
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I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
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Really? Biden gave them $6 billion or was it South Korea that released their money?
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I must have missed the Biden administration's howls of protest:

As part of the deal, $6 billion in frozen Iranian oil revenues was released by the Biden administration and five Iranians charged or convicted of non-violent crimes were freed by the United States, according to U.S. officials.

Iran prisoner swap: 5 Americans released in deal negotiated by Biden (usatoday.com)

Oops! I think what you did here cannot be considered anything but straight up propaganda.
 
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Raoul_Luke said:
I must have missed the Biden administration's howls of protest:

As part of the deal, $6 billion in frozen Iranian oil revenues was released by the Biden administration and five Iranians charged or convicted of non-violent crimes were freed by the United States, according to U.S. officials.

Iran prisoner swap: 5 Americans released in deal negotiated by Biden (usatoday.com)

Oops! I think what you did here cannot be considered anything but straight up propaganda.
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So Biden had the money and gave it to Iran?
 
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Raoul_Luke said:
I must have missed the Biden administration's howls of protest:

As part of the deal, $6 billion in frozen Iranian oil revenues was released by the Biden administration and five Iranians charged or convicted of non-violent crimes were freed by the United States, according to U.S. officials.

Iran prisoner swap: 5 Americans released in deal negotiated by Biden (usatoday.com)

Oops! I think what you did here cannot be considered anything but straight up propaganda.
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Was it their money or not?
 
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georgephillip said:
Most countries backing Russia are sick of US imperialism as are a majority of human beings on this planet. The US puppets ruling many of those states are paid to believe differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

"Since the 19th century, the United States government has participated and interfered, both overtly and covertly, in the replacement of many foreign governments.

"In the latter half of the 19th century, the U.S. government initiated actions for regime change mainly in Latin America and the southwest Pacific, including the Spanish–American and Philippine–American wars.

"At the onset of the 20th century, the United States shaped or installed governments in many countries around the world, including neighbors Hawaii, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic."
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You don’t fight imperialism with adversarial imperialism. You fight it with solidarity. Supporting Russian imperialism against the self-determination of Ukraine means reinforcing the power of finance capital and its imperialist system.
 
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PhilFish said:
A majority of north Koreans are boiling dirt to eat to stay alive and could care less or know much about Russia

Iran...are busy hiding from morality police and the like and could care less
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Iranians and Koreans are well aware of which country on this planet needs eternal war to sustain its currency
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When will you notice?
 
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PhilFish said:
Oh, I'm well aware. How many subjugated nations comprise Russia? See.. it's conquest of others is what allowed it to fuel it's currency

God it would be so much better if you were actually educated.
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No wonder so many people are moving to North Korea and Iran....:rolleyes:

I bet George is planning to move any day now.
 
georgephillip

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PhilFish said:
Oh, I'm well aware. How many subjugated nations comprise Russia? See.. it's conquest of others is what allowed it to fuel it's currency

God it would be so much better if you were actually educated.
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The US has been using its dollar to run a protection racket around the globe since 1945; get back to me when the ruble plays a similar role

https://michael-hudson.com/2023/08/towards-a-demilitarized-global-currency/

"In reality, the United States has been running a protection racket.

"What is a protection racket?

"A protection racket is to promise to provide security against dangers that you have yourself created so that your promise to provide security appears credible and attractive.

"So, for example, the United States has continued to foment disunity on the Korean Peninsula.

"The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Koreans, North and South, deeply yearn for some form of unification.

"There is absolutely no doubt."
 
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georgephillip said:
The US has been using its dollar to run a protection racket around the globe since 1945; get back to me when the ruble plays a similar role

https://michael-hudson.com/2023/08/towards-a-demilitarized-global-currency/

"In reality, the United States has been running a protection racket.

"What is a protection racket?

"A protection racket is to promise to provide security against dangers that you have yourself created so that your promise to provide security appears credible and attractive.

"So, for example, the United States has continued to foment disunity on the Korean Peninsula.

"The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Koreans, North and South, deeply yearn for some form of unification.

"There is absolutely no doubt."
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And how many of the South Koreans would risk their lives to defect to North Korea? How about none, because the South doesn't kill them for trying...but the North will certainly kill its citizen if they try to cross into the South.

The USSR imposed governments in the east block countries as they moved west in fighting the Nazis...They murdered the captured Polish officers in the Katyn forest.

And now, in a thread about the war in Ukraine, you attempt to deflect from criticism of the aggressor by making shit up about the US. Have you forgotten Russia's invasion of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary or Afghanistan? You ignore the wars in Georgia and Chechnya and argue that Russia was no threat to the countries that have joined NATO.

Did the US put up a wall around East Berlin? Did West Germany kill citizens for trying to defect?

The US foments disunity? You do know that the North refuses to sign a peace treaty...right? It is the North that periodically attacks the South. It is the North that used special forces troops to attempt the assassination of the president of the South.

www.bbc.com

North Korea's history of foreign assassinations and kidnappings

North Korea has a long history of sending agents oversees to carry out assassinations, attacks and kidnappings.
www.bbc.com
 
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