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60% of Republicans believe election "was stolen from Trump"

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. Are you suggesting that 24 percent more (D) would vote in a election if the man were White, old, demented and racist versus a White woman?

2. 1. Are you suggesting that 20 percent more (D) would vote in a election if the man were White, old, demented and racist versus a Black man?

Why yes you are!
More people voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016...he got the job anyway...but once people got to see him in action they turned out in huge numbers to say they didn't want four more years of him...

Are you suggesting more people would vote for a fat bag of orange puss like Trump than anyone else?

By the way...Joe got 81 million votes...and not all were democrats. As far as your opinion about more people voting for someone other than Obama or Clinton...Obama got 69 million votes in 2008. Trump got 74 million in 2020.
 

Drumcollie

Ending Racism with or without Hillary
LOL! Hunter Biden, whose only talents appear to be epic crack binges, impregnating strippers and paying off hookers (in at least one instance with Joe's credit card), just coincidently secures billion $ deals in foreign countries when he traveled with his old man to foreign nations on AF2, and you assume "nothing to see here, move along." You were ready to lock up the whole Trump clan on a much flimsier circumstantial case of "Russian collusion." Just that same old "middle" view double standard on display again...
"Middle" is a German word like Drumpf.
 

Drumcollie

Ending Racism with or without Hillary
More people voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016...he got the job anyway...but once people got to see him in action they turned out in huge numbers to say they didn't want four more years of him...

Are you suggesting more people would vote for a fat bag of orange puss like Trump than anyone else?

By the way...Joe got 81 million votes...and not all were democrats. As far as your opinion about more people voting for someone other than Obama or Clinton...Obama got 69 million votes in 2008. Trump got 74 million in 2020.
1. You mean Trump stole the election?

2. Not suggesting anything about Trump or anyone. I posted statistics. What this means is:

3. (D) voters are going to vote for White males over blacks or women. Deal with you.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. You mean Trump stole the election?

2. Not suggesting anything about Trump or anyone. I posted statistics. What this means is:

3. (D) voters are going to vote for White males over blacks or women. Deal with you.
Once again, your reading comprehension is getting in the way of you posting coherent messages. Trump is still trying to steal the election...

When has the republican party had a black or female candidate for president? Have any actually managed to win primaries? Nah. Don't be throwin' no rocks from the balcony of your glass house.
 

Drumcollie

Ending Racism with or without Hillary
Once again, your reading comprehension is getting in the way of you posting coherent messages. Trump is still trying to steal the election...

When has the republican party had a black or female candidate for president? Have any actually managed to win primaries? Nah. Don't be throwin' no rocks from the balcony of your glass house.
1. Don't care

2. Has a (D) supported slavery? Why Yes!

You lose again.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. Don't care

2. Has a (D) supported slavery? Why Yes!

You lose again.
1. Of course you don't.

2. In this century? Did southerners support slavery? Yup. Did southerners vote democratic in 1860? Yup. Do they vote for democrats today? Not so much.

3. Did Trump support segregated housing? Yup.
 

Bronwyn

Unapoligetically Republican
OMG. Now you think the Trump thugs who brutalized and beat 140+ cops and threatened Pence's life are innocent. There's something wrong with you, girl.
Excuse me? Where in my statement that you quoted, did I say they were innocent? Do you need remedial help? Are the synapses in your brain on permanant misfire?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
It seems to me that I recall many on the left spent a good deal of money and effort to convince the American voters that the 2016 election was "hacked" by the Russians.

Am I right about that, or did it never happen?

If it did occur, is it really so outrageous that many voters would question the outcome of the very next national election?

Here's the ironic twist: Some on the left believe that the election that occurred on Obama's watch was tainted, and that the election held on Trump's watch was entirely legit.

Now that's funny!
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
This is the poll I found somewhat surprising:

Rasmussen poll: 20-30% of Democrats believe the election was stolen from Trump
Rasmussen poll: 20-30% of Democrats believe the election was stolen from Trump (bizpacreview.com)


Polls are funny critters.
The poll I found from November 2020 does not actually say what you think it does...

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It seems to me that I recall many on the left spent a good deal of money and effort to convince the American voters that the 2016 election was "hacked" by the Russians.

Am I right about that, or did it never happen?

If it did occur, is it really so outrageous that many voters would question the outcome of the very next national election?

Here's the ironic twist: Some on the left believe that the election that occurred on Obama's watch was tainted, and that the election held on Trump's watch was entirely legit.

Now that's funny!
The hack of the DNC email system as well as election systems in a number of states resulted in a Cyber Security organization under Krebs working to prevent it again.

There is a huge difference between 2016 and 2020. In 2020 Trump started out saying the only way he'd lose is if the democrats stole the election. Nobody accused the Russians of stealing the election or changing vote counts.

How many lawsuits were filed attempting to overturn elections? How many calls did Obama make to election officials in battleground states trying to get them to "find" votes for Hillary?
 
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Zam-Zam

Senator
The poll I found from November 2020 does not actually say what you think it does...


I think it say this:

Huge: "How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?"
Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL)
Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL
Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL

All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL

Rasmussen Reports on Twitter: "Huge: "How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?" Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL) Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL https://t.co/EblRuV2AXY" / Twitter

What do you think I think it says?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
The hack of the DNC email system as well as election systems in a number of states resulted in a Cyber Security organization under Krebs working to prevent it again.

There is a huge difference between 2016 and 2020. In 2020 Trump started out saying the only way he'd lose is if the democrats stole the election. Nobody accused the Russians of stealing the election or changing vote counts.
I did not say a single thing that was not factually correct, no?

And, you answered none of my questions.

Does this mean you concede my contentions are true, since you have not refuted them?
 

Spamature

President
Not being perfect, I do, on some occasions.

Being self-aware, I do my best to correct it when it occurs. It is a flaw.
Who says not worrying is perfection ?
Why is worrying a flaw ?
The best solutions are often the result of worry.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I think it say this:

Huge: "How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?"
Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL)
Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL
Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL

All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL

Rasmussen Reports on Twitter: "Huge: "How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?" Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL) Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL https://t.co/EblRuV2AXY" / Twitter

What do you think I think it says?
You have a tweet and not the original Rasmussen report. In November 2020 you had Trump and his legal eagles all over the place claiming the election was stolen. That poll, as near as I can tell, was from mid november. Now that 60 some lawsuits have been tossed out...how does the poll look?

One-third of Americans believe Biden won because of voter fraud: poll



Then there is this...

The poll found that 55% of Americans say they believe the election was entirely "legitimate and accurate." Confidence levels break along partisan lines: 86% of Democrats say the election was conducted fairly and accurately versus 53% of independents and 25% of Republicans.

 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Who says not worrying is perfection ?
Why is worrying a flaw ?
The best solutions are often the result of worry.
It’s easy for Trump cultists not to worry about Trump and his GOP enablers taking a meat ax to the nation’s democratic values. After all, they don’t subscribe to those values. But sane patriots are plenty worried.
 

Spamature

President
It’s easy for Trump cultists not to worry about Trump and his GOP enablers taking a meat ax to the nation’s democratic values. After all, they don’t subscribe to those values. But sane patriots are plenty worried.
Yeah, but sane patriots are mostly worried about them.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I did not say a single thing that was not factually correct, no?

And, you answered none of my questions.

Does this mean you concede my contentions are true, since you have not refuted them?

It seems to me that I recall many on the left spent a good deal of money and effort to convince the American voters that the 2016 election was "hacked" by the Russians.

Am I right about that, or did it never happen?

If it did occur, is it really so outrageous that many voters would question the outcome of the very next national election?

Here's the ironic twist: Some on the left believe that the election that occurred on Obama's watch was tainted, and that the election held on Trump's watch was entirely legit.
Did the Russians hack the DNC email server?
Did the Russians hack election systems in a number of states?
Did someone spend a lot of money trying to "convince" voters the election was hacked?
It was hacked. Did they change any votes? Unknown. Did Trump encourage the Russians, even with a vague statement about their finding emails from Hillary?
Remember that it was pretty obvious that DNC emails were being released by Wiki in an attempt to help Trump.

Is it outrageous that many voters would question the outcome in 2020? What is outrageous is that Trump did. He started claiming fraud was going to happen in the summer of 2020. The lack of evidence that there was substantial fraud was ignored by Trump and his mob. Hillary Clinton conceded the 2016 election the next morning. Trump still has not done so.
 
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