None.
But you've just made the case that Ukraine should determine its own fate by its own efforts. Which is what is happening. I just feel Democrats (and neocons) have mislead Ukrainians in some fundamental way and the implications could be thermonuclear war. You talk about ebb and flow. Well, its ebbing right now.
I just want the killing of innocents to stop. So you either win outright quickly, surrender, or Putin is removed. Fulfillng Victoria Nuland's and her kinds' false promises is not my interest or concern.
If you as a people choose a long protracted war that is your choice. Supporting you on this side of the border is ours.
I imagine if things had gone differently in the past things may be different today. But some of its own efforts were based in the promises of others, who have now forsaken those promises.
At one point in time Ukraine was the third largest nuclear arsenal on Earth. It should have remained so and we would not have these problems today. Or perhaps we wouldn't have these problems today is a better way to say it
They gave up those nukes in exchange for an agreement called The Budapest memorandum. Those signatories betrayed that agreement
I believe the other agreement is called the Minsk agreement, and those parties betrayed that agreement as well.
So in reality there were so called friends in those instances and exchanges, who now sit idly by, with one glaring exception
