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American incomes fall for 3rd straight year as inflation pushes prices up even faster.

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Photo above - the charming "Hancock" 1,600 SF mobile home. In the midwest this will set you back about $140,000 before site prep, permits, fees, water and sewer hookup. Land not included. If you need THAT, it will be a lot more. The total cost - if you're lucky might actually be under the 2.5X ratio of home cost to the average US income of $63,000. Not for a normal house, which now costs $420,000.

US incomes fall for third straight year as inflation rises (nypost.com)

Yeah . . . who DOESN'T love inflation? Finding out that everything on the mc-dollar menu now costs $2.50. Hyundais start at $30,000. And the average house price of $420,000 is 7 TIMES higher than the average income of $63,000. Government and bank lending guidelines say your house should be no more than 2 and half times your annual income. See link above for details on how and why your paycheck can't even keep pace with Starbucks' latte grande menu.

Okay . . . these things come in pairs – the second shoe drops: We might be getting SOME pay increases (unless you're a Fed-Ex driver, and you got boosted to $170,000 a year), but for most of us the pay not only doesn't keep up with the cost of living, it pushes us into higher federal (and state, and municipal) tax brackets. These tax rates are NOT indexed for inflation. If you got a 5% pay increase last year, the odds are good that you might be paying a higher tax rate on those earnings. Even though your paycheck doesn't cover the same expenses it did a year ago.

This is not some weird, freak statistical result applicable just to Bidenomics. The government NEVER indexes taxes to inflation. They WANT us to pay more on our stagnating wages. It's how politicians vacuum up more tax dollars to spend on all the stuff we don't want: 800 military bases around the world; 256 separate agencies to supervise public schools and teacher certification; 100,000 unused Ebola virus moon suits in storage since the Obama era; border walls that never got built and wouldn't have worked if they had been.

Okay . . . a few socialists in the back are getting fidgety. “I'm part of the 50% of Americans who pay ZERO in federal income tax”, they're cat-calling me. “So you're a lying bee-atch!”. To those deep thinkers I have one piece of advice – check out the history of Social Security withholding over the years.

Income taxes was first invented in the early 1900s (previous iterations were ruled unconstitutional until the 16th amendment was passed). If you earned $500,000 a year, your tax rate was . . . wait for it . . . 7%. But of course, $500,000 was worth a lot more back then. That would be $16 MILLION in 2023 dollars. And your tax rate would be 39%, plus state and local bites.

When the tax law first passed in 1913, everyone below $3,000 income paid zero. Starting at that level, you paid 1%. If you're good at math, you've already figured that $3,000 1913 dollars is about $100,000 today. One percent, let me repeat.

If taxes had been indexed for inflation, they'd be a lot lower today. In fact, the opposite happened, Over the years congresspersons made endless radio and TV speeches saying tax rates needed to go higher. Because the rich were too rich.

Today, congress has declared “rich” as about $200,000 for a single earner. Which, as it turns out, is just a little more than a senator's salary. If congress had declared themselves to be rich, all hell would have broken loose, no? So to provide further limbo room under this level, congress also awards itself travel perks, meal perks, fee parking, free banking at the congressionally operated bank, and who knows what else you can get by flashing your “Senator” badge in the checkout line.

In the meantime, the tax rates you and I pay keep going up, because inflation is pushing us into higher and higher tax brackets. So we spend less on ourselves (and our kids), and we depend more on federal student loans, section 8 housing vouchers, food stamps, and in some cases tent cities for the homeless, just to get by.

The US dollar is a joke. Only land, and precious metals (and some stocks) have managed to keep up with inflation. Taxes have gone through the roof – if you're lucky enough to have a roof, 90% of senators and congresspersons are reelected each year, if they choose to run again. Because we're poorly represented, and poorly informed.

An average earner can't buy an average home. Despite 30-year mortgages. Some banks are experimenting with 40 and 50 year terms. When you die and see me in heaven, please let me know how this turned out. I'm not signing up for anything like that.

I'm just sayin' . . .
 

Bugsy McGurk

President

Photo above - the charming "Hancock" 1,600 SF mobile home. In the midwest this will set you back about $140,000 before site prep, permits, fees, water and sewer hookup. Land not included. If you need THAT, it will be a lot more. The total cost - if you're lucky might actually be under the 2.5X ratio of home cost to the average US income of $63,000. Not for a normal house, which now costs $420,000.

US incomes fall for third straight year as inflation rises (nypost.com)

Yeah . . . who DOESN'T love inflation? Finding out that everything on the mc-dollar menu now costs $2.50. Hyundais start at $30,000. And the average house price of $420,000 is 7 TIMES higher than the average income of $63,000. Government and bank lending guidelines say your house should be no more than 2 and half times your annual income. See link above for details on how and why your paycheck can't even keep pace with Starbucks' latte grande menu.

Okay . . . these things come in pairs – the second shoe drops: We might be getting SOME pay increases (unless you're a Fed-Ex driver, and you got boosted to $170,000 a year), but for most of us the pay not only doesn't keep up with the cost of living, it pushes us into higher federal (and state, and municipal) tax brackets. These tax rates are NOT indexed for inflation. If you got a 5% pay increase last year, the odds are good that you might be paying a higher tax rate on those earnings. Even though your paycheck doesn't cover the same expenses it did a year ago.

This is not some weird, freak statistical result applicable just to Bidenomics. The government NEVER indexes taxes to inflation. They WANT us to pay more on our stagnating wages. It's how politicians vacuum up more tax dollars to spend on all the stuff we don't want: 800 military bases around the world; 256 separate agencies to supervise public schools and teacher certification; 100,000 unused Ebola virus moon suits in storage since the Obama era; border walls that never got built and wouldn't have worked if they had been.

Okay . . . a few socialists in the back are getting fidgety. “I'm part of the 50% of Americans who pay ZERO in federal income tax”, they're cat-calling me. “So you're a lying bee-atch!”. To those deep thinkers I have one piece of advice – check out the history of Social Security withholding over the years.

Income taxes was first invented in the early 1900s (previous iterations were ruled unconstitutional until the 16th amendment was passed). If you earned $500,000 a year, your tax rate was . . . wait for it . . . 7%. But of course, $500,000 was worth a lot more back then. That would be $16 MILLION in 2023 dollars. And your tax rate would be 39%, plus state and local bites.

When the tax law first passed in 1913, everyone below $3,000 income paid zero. Starting at that level, you paid 1%. If you're good at math, you've already figured that $3,000 1913 dollars is about $100,000 today. One percent, let me repeat.

If taxes had been indexed for inflation, they'd be a lot lower today. In fact, the opposite happened, Over the years congresspersons made endless radio and TV speeches saying tax rates needed to go higher. Because the rich were too rich.

Today, congress has declared “rich” as about $200,000 for a single earner. Which, as it turns out, is just a little more than a senator's salary. If congress had declared themselves to be rich, all hell would have broken loose, no? So to provide further limbo room under this level, congress also awards itself travel perks, meal perks, fee parking, free banking at the congressionally operated bank, and who knows what else you can get by flashing your “Senator” badge in the checkout line.

In the meantime, the tax rates you and I pay keep going up, because inflation is pushing us into higher and higher tax brackets. So we spend less on ourselves (and our kids), and we depend more on federal student loans, section 8 housing vouchers, food stamps, and in some cases tent cities for the homeless, just to get by.

The US dollar is a joke. Only land, and precious metals (and some stocks) have managed to keep up with inflation. Taxes have gone through the roof – if you're lucky enough to have a roof, 90% of senators and congresspersons are reelected each year, if they choose to run again. Because we're poorly represented, and poorly informed.

An average earner can't buy an average home. Despite 30-year mortgages. Some banks are experimenting with 40 and 50 year terms. When you die and see me in heaven, please let me know how this turned out. I'm not signing up for anything like that.

I'm just sayin' . . .
Rupert Murdoch’s rag - the NY Post - brainwashing the gullible daily. Wages and income are up in the real world, but down sez the NY Post. Gaslighting on a grand scale.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. so move to one of these 10 states maybe - LMFAO

W.V., Arkansas, Kentucky and Iowa are beautiful states to live in

10 states with the most affordable homes
  1. West Virginia has the lowest home prices in the United States. The typical single-family home costs $137,286. Bonus: West Virginia also boasts some of the lowest property taxes in the country.
  2. Mississippi comes in a close second with a typical home value of $164,132. Even though Mississippians' incomes are less than one-third of the national median, the average mortgage payment is only 22.7% of the state's median income -- well below the 28% threshold advised by many financial experts.
  3. Arkansas offers some of the most affordable homes in the U.S. The median home value is $177,710. That's a meager 41% of the typical U.S. home price.
  4. Oklahoma is plenty affordable with a median home value of $181,574. And towns like Okmulgee, Okla., offer even more bang for your buck: The average price of a home in Okmulgee is a budget-friendly $69,800.
  5. Iowa combines affordable housing with higher incomes. The typical home value is $192,568. Homeowners typically spend less than 17% of their income on mortgages.
  6. Kentucky offers good value to prospective home buyers. The typical home value is $197,644. That's a mere 46% of the median price of a U.S. home.
  7. Alabama homes are affordable. The typical home value is $204,965. Consider checking out the historic city of Huntsville "Rocket City," AL, which has a median home value of $184,500 and is the sixth-best city to buy a house in, according to Niche.
  8. Kansas is another state that combines low housing prices with higher incomes. The median home value is $206,176. Homeowners typically spend less than 18% of their income on mortgages.
  9. Ohio is an affordable place to purchase a home. The typical home value is $213,360. Cleveland, Ohio, rocks a median home value of $73,400 and has some of the lowest costs of living in America. Bonus: Niche also ranks Cleveland as one of the best cities for young professionals.
  10. Louisiana rounds out the top 10 states with the most affordable homes. A typical home in the Pelican State costs $214,522. Louisiana has replaced Indiana as the 10th-most affordable state to own a home as of 2022.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I claim bullsheot on that price of the single wide - here you go !

debunked again..........

Average Sales Price of New Manufactured Homes by Size of Home in the Western Region (chart 1)

Total*SingleDouble
2019
January$95,800$59,000$110,400
February$103,100$43,500$119,400
March$92,900$49,100$108,500
April$95,400$63,600$109,100
May$96,300$55,000$106,800
June$100,600$47,000$118,800
July$108,400$45,700$121,000
August$107,500$48,200$120,700
September$99,500$55,300$113,000
October$96,600$58,800$109,100
November$101,400$54,100$114,700
December$97,700$52,100$107,600
Hey, when Rupert Murdoch tells them things, they believe it. Their minds have been destroyed.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
2021
January$113,400$62,300$129,500
February$116,900$60,900$131,900
March$113,000$67,300$130,800
April$118,400$65,000$125,000
May$104,400$70,300$55,600
June$116,400$72,200$131,500
July$131,100$81,700$142,88
August$135,00$79,000$143,000
September$132,100$76,200$141,600
October$131,600$85,000$150,400
November$128,800$68,400$145,500
December$145,200$76,900$170,600
 
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. so move to one of these 10 states maybe - LMFAO

W.V., Arkansas, Kentucky and Iowa are beautiful states to live in

10 states with the most affordable homes
  1. West Virginia has the lowest home prices in the United States. The typical single-family home costs $137,286. Bonus: West Virginia also boasts some of the lowest property taxes in the country.
  2. Mississippi comes in a close second with a typical home value of $164,132. Even though Mississippians' incomes are less than one-third of the national median, the average mortgage payment is only 22.7% of the state's median income -- well below the 28% threshold advised by many financial experts.
  3. Arkansas offers some of the most affordable homes in the U.S. The median home value is $177,710. That's a meager 41% of the typical U.S. home price.
  4. Oklahoma is plenty affordable with a median home value of $181,574. And towns like Okmulgee, Okla., offer even more bang for your buck: The average price of a home in Okmulgee is a budget-friendly $69,800.
  5. Iowa combines affordable housing with higher incomes. The typical home value is $192,568. Homeowners typically spend less than 17% of their income on mortgages.
  6. Kentucky offers good value to prospective home buyers. The typical home value is $197,644. That's a mere 46% of the median price of a U.S. home.
  7. Alabama homes are affordable. The typical home value is $204,965. Consider checking out the historic city of Huntsville "Rocket City," AL, which has a median home value of $184,500 and is the sixth-best city to buy a house in, according to Niche.
  8. Kansas is another state that combines low housing prices with higher incomes. The median home value is $206,176. Homeowners typically spend less than 18% of their income on mortgages.
  9. Ohio is an affordable place to purchase a home. The typical home value is $213,360. Cleveland, Ohio, rocks a median home value of $73,400 and has some of the lowest costs of living in America. Bonus: Niche also ranks Cleveland as one of the best cities for young professionals.
  10. Louisiana rounds out the top 10 states with the most affordable homes. A typical home in the Pelican State costs $214,522. Louisiana has replaced Indiana as the 10th-most affordable state to own a home as of 2022.
My sister just moved to West Virginia. She's a schoolteacher. She paid $129,000 for a 3 bedroom ranch house. She has since discovered that West Virginia not only has low incomes and high narcotics use, it has a school system that might be among the worst in the nation.
 
2021
January$113,400$62,300$129,500
February$116,900$60,900$131,900
March$113,000$67,300$130,800
April$118,400$65,000$125,000
May$104,400$70,300$55,600
June$116,400$72,200$131,500
July$131,100$81,700$142,88
August$135,00$79,000$143,000
September$132,100$76,200$141,600
October$131,600$85,000$150,400
November$128,800$68,400$145,500
December$145,200$76,900$170,600
another cut and past fail. this chart shows what? the column's aren't even labelled.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
My sister just moved to West Virginia. She's a schoolteacher. She paid $129,000 for a 3 bedroom ranch house. She has since discovered that West Virginia not only has low incomes and high narcotics use, it has a school system that might be among the worst in the nation.
And they voted for Trump by a landslide margin. Not exactly a collection of geniuses.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
another cut and past fail. this chart shows what? the column's aren't even labelled.
Please forgive the human shield automatons. There’s no “thinking/thoughtfulness” to be seen there. It’s all reflexive defense (they consider nonsense “defense”) of the Democratic Party. They rush to any post made that could possibly be construed as less than EXPLOSIVELY effusive with heavenly praise for their political gods.

Why…one of these two made a top post trying to make the case that we may well be enjoying “the best economy of all time”.

…then he accuses you of “gaslighting” here. You. Can’t. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

These shut-ins are mentally ill and dishonest as well. Enjoy!
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Please forgive the human shield automatons. There’s no “thinking/thoughtfulness” to be seen there. It’s all reflexive defense (they consider nonsense “defense”) of the Democratic Party. They rush to any post made that could possibly be construed as less than EXPLOSIVELY effusive with heavenly praise for their political gods.

Why…one of these two made a top post trying to make the case that we may well be enjoying “the best economy of all time”.

…then he accuses you of “gaslighting” here. You. Can’t. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

These shut-ins are mentally ill and dishonest as well. Enjoy!
You should muster up the guts to try to refute my post instead of taking your cowardly glancing blows in a different thread.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
You should muster up the guts to try to refute my post instead of taking your cowardly glancing blows in a different thread.
As with all of your underachieving attempts at posting, your content was self-refuting (as well as patently absurd). Further, though painfully redundant…several people DID refute it as well.

You’ve debased yourself at heretofore unimaginable levels, Bugsy. You’ve degraded to an extent well below cartoon character. Enjoy your bizarre, fetishist, cult-tacular party fealty. I’m bored with responding to it.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
when you can't refute the facts, malign the messenger?
The human shields are unbothered by facts.

“In 2022, the median U.S. household income fell to $74,580 — a 2.3% drop from $76,330 in the prior year, according to the Census Bureau . It was the third straight year that average incomes fell. That doesn’t bode well for consumer spending in an environment of consistently higher prices. Even though the pace of inflation has leveled off from its highs, prices haven’t come down.”
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
As with all of your underachieving attempts at posting, your content was self-refuting (as well as patently absurd). Further, though painfully redundant…several people DID refute it as well.

You’ve debased yourself at heretofore unimaginable levels, Bugsy. You’ve degraded to an extent well below cartoon character. Enjoy your bizarre, fetishist, cult-tacular party fealty. I’m bored with responding to it.
You didn’t refute a thing in that thread. You wandered into this thread and whined.

Man up.
 
The human shields are unbothered by facts.

“In 2022, the median U.S. household income fell to $74,580 — a 2.3% drop from $76,330 in the prior year, according to the Census Bureau . It was the third straight year that average incomes fell. That doesn’t bode well for consumer spending in an environment of consistently higher prices. Even though the pace of inflation has leveled off from its highs, prices haven’t come down.”
Well, if it comes from the census bureau, thar means the millions of low income and homeless people were excluded. Unlike payroll data, which is inescapable.
 
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