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An Accurate Memorial To Communism

Flanders

Council Member

Ride the Thunder: A Vietnam War Story of Victory and Betrayal will speak for itself. It will be enough if every younger American reads the book and sees the movie; nevertheless, I have a few words from excerpts in an article by Chelsea Schilling that I want to offer.

Let me lay out my premise by repeating the Vietnam War should be called ‘The Battle of Vietnam’ because it was but one hot battle fought during the Cold War.

First, to understand those “Americans” who betrayed their country while the Battle of Vietnam was being fought, one must first understand Communism and Communists. Nobody can understand the people who still brag about giving Communism a major victory; people like John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Joe Biden, the Clintons, and countless others whose names are never connected to Communism even though they are in higher places today than the positions they held throughout the Battle of Vietnam. My fond hope is that Ride the Thunder will start an avalanche that will bury them once and for all under their most effective lie:


Vietnam was an unjust war

Secondly, and most importantly, Communism represents more than a political debate about one form of government over another. Simply read the excerpts to know exactly what Communists will do to everyone who dares to fight to keep their country free of Communism.

Separated from their wives and children, they saw friends and loved ones brutally murdered by North Vietnamese guards during their communist “re-education.”

XXXXX

. . . stop the spread of communism.

XXXXX

. . . in the future, people will realize that America was right to fight in Vietnam, to stop communism, and that our South Vietnamese allies were worthy of our sacrifice and that they fought well also.”

XXXXX

The main character of the film is South Vietnamese Marine commander Le Ba Binh, who was a prime example of enduring courage in a battle of David and Goliath proportions as his battalion of only 700 men held 20,000 communist invaders in Dong Ha.

Binh, a man with few equals in the war-fighting profession, served 13 years in heavy combat (1962-1975) and another 11 years in communist prison camps. Despite numerous battle wounds and lost comrades, he showed unwavering courage in the face of extreme hardship.

XXXXX

At the end of the war, the communists put him in prison – they called it euphemistically ‘re-education camp’ – for 11 years.

XXXXX

“No one dies breaking in to communist countries,” Botkin said.​


Parenthetically, I have always been critical of the DESIGN, —— I repeat “THE DESIGN” —— of the Vietnam War Memorial. This excerpt from an article by Duncan Maxwell Anderson said it all for me:

What these modern war memorials have in common with each other is nothing. They portray nothingness. They have no people in them, never mind men carrying guns or swords, statues of Winged Victory, or even doves of peace. Just death and names -- grief without glory.

November 11, 2007
Monuments to Wimpdom
By Duncan Maxwell Anderson

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/monuments_to_wimpdom_1.html

I was always uncomfortable with the design of the Vietnam War Memorial but never said anything against it. I felt that any criticism from me would be twisted by Lefties into a slur against the men and women whose names appear on the “Wall.” The anti-Vietnam War traitors defending America’s fallen heroes because of something I said would have been more than I can bear. Unfortunately I was right. Whenever I broached the topic over the years the Left’s perpetually outraged morality had a field day criticizing my objections.

Since 2007, the worst people in our society have acquired more political power than they ever had since they worked so hard to give America’s enemy in Vietnam a victory at any cost.

The Democrat party’s contempt for the thousands who died in Vietnam, and, indeed, contempt for most men and women who serve in the military for this country was not a campaign issue in 2008, or in 2010, in 2012, or in 2014. It should have been because the Democrats who came to power in 2008 are the very people who despise the military unless it can be ordered to fight for the United Nations.

There is a subliminal political message involved in Anderson’s “grief without glory” aspect of the Vietnam War Memorial’s design. Traditional designs honor the sacrifice as well as those who made it. The Vietnam War Memorial is different in that the dead are listed, but the message is that their sacrifice was a waste. How many visiting the Wall remember that the Vietnam War was fought against Communism? That was not a waste.

The political message incorporated in the Vietnam War Memorial also justifies the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations by American Communists who did not, and do not, care one iota about the men and women who gave their lives fighting against Communism.

Peaceniks continue to claim that the Wall’s design is an anti-war statement. Their message is that the men and women listed on the Wall would be anti-war liberals were they still alive. That’s an insult to those who knowingly sacrificed their lives fighting against Communism’s expansion in Southeast Asia.

There is a danger inherent for the Left in their anti-war rhetoric whenever Communism is threatened. All- encompassing anti-war messages must include anti-self-defense wars. That line of reasoning could easily grow to include anti-revolution sentiments. Then where would Communists be?

Many years ago I said that I would like to see a national monument dedicated to the tens of millions who were murdered by totalitarian governments in the last century alone. Perhaps a national day of remembrance, too.

There's a growing movement to build a memorial to Communism's dead on the National Mall, so that the current generation of Americans are made aware of the true nature of a philosophy that has justified the murder of at least 100 million people in the last 100 years.​

August 25, 2014
Never forget: A memorial to Communism's 100 million dead
By Rick Moran

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/never_forget_a_memorial_to_communisms_100_million_dead.html

Such a monument copying the design of the Vietnam War Memorial would be acceptable because there is no glory in dying a victim. A monument containing all of the names murdered by their own government would dwarf the Great Wall of China. Obviously, the names of more than 100,000,000 million murdered will never be known; so perhaps a wall depicting 100,000,000-plus question marks will suffice.



Finally, this country’s vast propaganda apparatus is bringing American Communists dangerously close to acquiring the same political power that victory handed to Vietnamese Communists: Do you accept Communism? Answer NO and Americans will be “reeducated” with techniques infinitely more brutal than Socialism's brainwashing they have been subjected to for decades.

“I think that Col. Binh was illustrative of all of those other Vietnamese officers who served their country,” he said. “He really laid his life on the line so many times. Then he became a prisoner. All he had to do was say, ‘I accept communism.’”

Vietnam heroes: 'I've been waiting 40 years for this!'
Posted By Chelsea Schilling
On 03/30/2015 @ 7:38 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/vietnam-heroes-ive-been-waiting-40-years-for-this/
 
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EatTheRich

President
My fond hope is that Ride the Thunder will start an avalanche that will bury them once and for all under their most effective lie:

Vietnam was an unjust war
You may find it just to shoot babies, strafe and napalm villages, destroy jungles, and flood cities in order to keep a movement supported by the vast majority of a country you invaded from taking power out of the hands of leaders like Nguyen Cao Ky, who said, "People ask me who my heroes are. I have only one--Hitler." I respectfully disagree with your opinion.


Separated from their wives and children, they saw friends and loved ones brutally murdered by North Vietnamese guards during their communist “re-education.”
Among the first victims of the Stalinists' brutality were the Vietnamese communists. The U.S.-backed GVN tortured 40,000 dissidents and murdered 14,000 in their concentration camps; the North Vietnamese and NLF killed 4,000 (including about 600 killed for being communists) and tortured 12,000 (including about 2,000 tortured for being commuists) in theirs.
. . . in the future, people will realize that America was right to fight in Vietnam, to stop communism, and that our South Vietnamese allies were worthy of our sacrifice and that they fought well also.”
The vast majority of South Vietnamese, of course, opposed the American invasion and the U.S.-backed government, which is why the guerrillas of the National Liberation Front--overwhelmingly southerners with no serious North Vietnamese support before 1968--were able to swim among them like a fish in water. And why the American strategy consisted of indiscriminate bombing and strafing of the native population of South Vietnam.

The main character of the film is South Vietnamese Marine commander Le Ba Binh, who was a prime example of enduring courage in a battle of David and Goliath proportions as his battalion of only 700 men held 20,000 communist invaders in Dong Ha.
The real David and Goliath battle was the fight between the nuclear-armed U.S.-led coalition, with B-52 bombers, attack helicopters, Agent Orange, napalm, and heavy tanks, and peasants armed with captured M16s and homemade punji sticks.

At the end of the war, the communists put him in prison – they called it euphemistically ‘re-education camp’ – for 11 years.
To punish him for siding with a foreign invader against his own country.

“No one dies breaking in to communist countries,” Botkin said.
Workers' states tend to be more accepting of refugees so they don't have to break in. Regardless, it's not true. People die trying to get to both Cuba and China.
How many visiting the Wall remember that the Vietnam War was fought against Communism?

Pretty much all of them.

That was not a waste.

No. For the ruling class, the war was not a waste, any more than Nazi Germany's war against Soviet communism was a waste. It was one battle in the epic fight between the rich and the poor, and if the poor eventually won, they were forced to pay a very heavy price for their victory.

The political message incorporated in the Vietnam War Memorial also justifies the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations by American Communists who did not, and do not, care one iota about the men and women who gave their lives fighting against Communism.

Peaceniks continue to claim that the Wall’s design is an anti-war statement. Their message is that the men and women listed on the Wall would be anti-war liberals were they still alive. That’s an insult to those who knowingly sacrificed their lives fighting against Communism’s expansion in Southeast Asia.

The anti-Vietnam War demonstrations, although often led by communists, included many people who were not communists. Many of the demonstrators, including communist and non-communist demonstrators, were Vietnam veterans.

There is a danger inherent for the Left in their anti-war rhetoric whenever Communism is threatened. All- encompassing anti-war messages must include anti-self-defense wars. That line of reasoning could easily grow to include anti-revolution sentiments. Then where would Communists be?

You know that the left includes many who are not communists, right? At any rate, communists have never agitated for pacifism; in particular, during the Vietnam War they clearly articulated their desire to bring about a Vietnamese victory.

Many years ago I said that I would like to see a national monument dedicated to the tens of millions who were murdered by totalitarian governments in the last century alone. Perhaps a national day of remembrance, too.
A monument containing all of the names murdered by their own government would dwarf the Great Wall of China. Obviously, the names of more than 100,000,000 million murdered will never be known

Particularly since the bulk of them are fictional. Even if you count counterrevolutionary governments calling themselves "communist"--i.e., those responsible for the majority of the deaths, many of them, objectively speaking, capitalist countries--and even if you count deaths in civil wars instigated by reactionary forces, it's hard to see where a figure like "more than 100 million comes from."

Let's look at how many were actually killed.

China: 24 million
USSR: 9 million
Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia): 2 million
North Korea: 1 million
Mozambique: 1 million
Ethiopia: 200,000
Laos: 100,000
(Countries with death tolls under 100,000 not listed).

Nowhere near adding up to 100 million.

Compare, if you will, how many of their own people have been killed by the capitalist countries:

Qing Dynasty: 20 million
Germany: 14 million
Congo Free State: 10 million
Republic of China: 9 million
Pakistan: 3 million
Sudan: 3 million
Nigeria: 3 million
Turkey: 2.5 million
Brazil: 2.5 million
Democratic Republic of Congo: 2.5 million
Mexico: 2 million
Zulu Kingdom: 2 million
United Kingdom: 1.5 million
Indonesia: 1.5 million
Iraq: 900,000
Rwanda: 800,000
Australia: 700,000
Russian Empire: 700,000
Spain: 500,000
Burundi: 500,000
Somalia: 500,000
Liberia: 500,000
United States: 400,000
Independent State of Croatia: 350,000
Syria: 300,000
Japan: 300,000
Sierra Leone: 300,000
Colombia: 200,000
Myanmar: 200,000
Guatemala: 200,000
N. Yemen/Yemen: 200,000
Greece: 150,000
France: 150,000
Lebanon: 150,000
Countries with death tolls under 100,000 not included.

Finally, this country’s vast propaganda apparatus is bringing American Communists dangerously close to acquiring the same political power that victory handed to Vietnamese Communists: Do you accept Communism? Answer NO and Americans will be “reeducated” with techniques infinitely more brutal than Socialism's brainwashing they have been subjected to for decades.
Of course, a victorious communism in the United States, an advanced country with little Stalinist influence that would be in a position of power and would soon be followed by most of the rest of the world, would be far less brutal than communism in, say, Vietnam, an isolated, predominantly rural, backward country with heavy influence from Stalinism, or in Russia, another backward country where Engels famously predicted that a communist revolution that succeeded first in Russia and not soon thereafter in a more advanced country such as Britain or Germany would result in "an orgy of barbarism." The brutality is a symptom of communism's weakness ... just as capitalism had to resort to brutal methods to entrench itself in power, and now resorts to brutal methods as its grip on power loosens.

"Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries, unite!"-Marx and Engels
 
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BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member

Ride the Thunder: A Vietnam War Story of Victory and Betrayal will speak for itself. It will be enough if every younger American reads the book and sees the movie; nevertheless, I have a few words from excerpts in an article by Chelsea Schilling that I want to offer.

Let me lay out my premise by repeating the Vietnam War should be called ‘The Battle of Vietnam’ because it was but one hot battle fought during the Cold War.

First, to understand those “Americans” who betrayed their country while the Battle of Vietnam was being fought, one must first understand Communism and Communists. Nobody can understand the people who still brag about giving Communism a major victory; people like John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Joe Biden, the Clintons, and countless others whose names are never connected to Communism even though they are in higher places today than the positions they held throughout the Battle of Vietnam. My fond hope is that Ride the Thunder will start an avalanche that will bury them once and for all under their most effective lie:


Vietnam was an unjust war

Secondly, and most importantly, Communism represents more than a political debate about one form of government over another. Simply read the excerpts to know exactly what Communists will do to everyone who dares to fight to keep their country free of Communism.

Separated from their wives and children, they saw friends and loved ones brutally murdered by North Vietnamese guards during their communist “re-education.”

XXXXX

. . . stop the spread of communism.

XXXXX

. . . in the future, people will realize that America was right to fight in Vietnam, to stop communism, and that our South Vietnamese allies were worthy of our sacrifice and that they fought well also.”

XXXXX

The main character of the film is South Vietnamese Marine commander Le Ba Binh, who was a prime example of enduring courage in a battle of David and Goliath proportions as his battalion of only 700 men held 20,000 communist invaders in Dong Ha.

Binh, a man with few equals in the war-fighting profession, served 13 years in heavy combat (1962-1975) and another 11 years in communist prison camps. Despite numerous battle wounds and lost comrades, he showed unwavering courage in the face of extreme hardship.

XXXXX

At the end of the war, the communists put him in prison – they called it euphemistically ‘re-education camp’ – for 11 years.

XXXXX

“No one dies breaking in to communist countries,” Botkin said.​


Parenthetically, I have always been critical of the DESIGN, —— I repeat “THE DESIGN” —— of the Vietnam War Memorial. This excerpt from an article by Duncan Maxwell Anderson said it all for me:

What these modern war memorials have in common with each other is nothing. They portray nothingness. They have no people in them, never mind men carrying guns or swords, statues of Winged Victory, or even doves of peace. Just death and names -- grief without glory.

November 11, 2007
Monuments to Wimpdom
By Duncan Maxwell Anderson

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/monuments_to_wimpdom_1.html

I was always uncomfortable with the design of the Vietnam War Memorial but never said anything against it. I felt that any criticism from me would be twisted by Lefties into a slur against the men and women whose names appear on the “Wall.” The anti-Vietnam War traitors defending America’s fallen heroes because of something I said would have been more than I can bear. Unfortunately I was right. Whenever I broached the topic over the years the Left’s perpetually outraged morality had a field day criticizing my objections.

Since 2007, the worst people in our society have acquired more political power than they ever had since they worked so hard to give America’s enemy in Vietnam a victory at any cost.

The Democrat party’s contempt for the thousands who died in Vietnam, and, indeed, contempt for most men and women who serve in the military for this country was not a campaign issue in 2008, or in 2010, in 2012, or in 2014. It should have been because the Democrats who came to power in 2008 are the very people who despise the military unless it can be ordered to fight for the United Nations.

There is a subliminal political message involved in Anderson’s “grief without glory” aspect of the Vietnam War Memorial’s design. Traditional designs honor the sacrifice as well as those who made it. The Vietnam War Memorial is different in that the dead are listed, but the message is that their sacrifice was a waste. How many visiting the Wall remember that the Vietnam War was fought against Communism? That was not a waste.

The political message incorporated in the Vietnam War Memorial also justifies the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations by American Communists who did not, and do not, care one iota about the men and women who gave their lives fighting against Communism.

Peaceniks continue to claim that the Wall’s design is an anti-war statement. Their message is that the men and women listed on the Wall would be anti-war liberals were they still alive. That’s an insult to those who knowingly sacrificed their lives fighting against Communism’s expansion in Southeast Asia.

There is a danger inherent for the Left in their anti-war rhetoric whenever Communism is threatened. All- encompassing anti-war messages must include anti-self-defense wars. That line of reasoning could easily grow to include anti-revolution sentiments. Then where would Communists be?

Many years ago I said that I would like to see a national monument dedicated to the tens of millions who were murdered by totalitarian governments in the last century alone. Perhaps a national day of remembrance, too.

There's a growing movement to build a memorial to Communism's dead on the National Mall, so that the current generation of Americans are made aware of the true nature of a philosophy that has justified the murder of at least 100 million people in the last 100 years.​

August 25, 2014
Never forget: A memorial to Communism's 100 million dead
By Rick Moran

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/never_forget_a_memorial_to_communisms_100_million_dead.html

Such a monument copying the design of the Vietnam War Memorial would be acceptable because there is no glory in dying a victim. A monument containing all of the names murdered by their own government would dwarf the Great Wall of China. Obviously, the names of more than 100,000,000 million murdered will never be known; so perhaps a wall depicting 100,000,000-plus question marks will suffice.



Finally, this country’s vast propaganda apparatus is bringing American Communists dangerously close to acquiring the same political power that victory handed to Vietnamese Communists: Do you accept Communism? Answer NO and Americans will be “reeducated” with techniques infinitely more brutal than Socialism's brainwashing they have been subjected to for decades.

“I think that Col. Binh was illustrative of all of those other Vietnamese officers who served their country,” he said. “He really laid his life on the line so many times. Then he became a prisoner. All he had to do was say, ‘I accept communism.’”

Vietnam heroes: 'I've been waiting 40 years for this!'
Posted By Chelsea Schilling
On 03/30/2015 @ 7:38 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/vietnam-heroes-ive-been-waiting-40-years-for-this/
Let me see if I get this right: You want to see a memorial to communism on our National Mall?

Good luck with that.
 
Let me see if I get this right: You want to see a memorial to communism on our National Mall?

Good luck with that.
Two Wings of the Same Subhuman Guillotine-Fodder

The epitaph on the Wall should be PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICH KID'S PLACE. The same would be on a wall honoring Communism, because that is a Right Wing fraud. It was created by the power-hungry spawn of Capitalist leeches in a hurry to get control of the whole country instead of waiting until Daddy dies and leaves them his business.
 

EatTheRich

President
Two Wings of the Same Subhuman Guillotine-Fodder

The epitaph on the Wall should be PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICH KID'S PLACE. The same would be on a wall honoring Communism, because that is a Right Wing fraud. It was created by the power-hungry spawn of Capitalist leeches in a hurry to get control of the whole country instead of waiting until Daddy dies and leaves them his business.
"The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be reformer. They merely express in general terms actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes."-Karl Marx
 
"The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be reformer. They merely express in general terms actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes."-Karl Marx
Graduates of an Obsolete Aristocratic Toxicity

You quote him just like the Fundamentalists quote the Epistles, as inspired by an infallible supernatural power. Marx was a conceited fraud who despised working people. His silly visions about history were just power-game hallucinations academics get by being stuck in the dark rooms of the Ivory Tower for too long.
 

EatTheRich

President
Graduates of an Obsolete Aristocratic Toxicity

You quote him just like the Fundamentalists quote the Epistles, as inspired by an infallible supernatural power. Marx was a conceited fraud who despised working people. His silly visions about history were just power-game hallucinations academics get by being stuck in the dark rooms of the Ivory Tower for too long.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Marx had many accurate prognoses about the development of Bonapartism and colonialism, the fall of slavery, the rise and politicization of the unions, etc., and his theory guided successful revolutions in Russia, Yugoslavia, China, Cuba, etc.
 
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Marx had many accurate prognoses about the development of Bonapartism and colonialism, the fall of slavery, the rise and politicization of the unions, etc., and his theory guided successful revolutions in Russia, Yugoslavia, China, Cuba, etc.
Brass Knuckles Crush Bells and Whistles, but We Knuckle Under

They were successful against incredibly weak ruling classes, so victories like that are nothing to brag about. Our own soft, incompetent, cowardly, and vastly outnumbered ruling class only stands because of its control over the means of producing illusions.
 

EatTheRich

President
Brass Knuckles Crush Bells and Whistles, but We Knuckle Under

They were successful against incredibly weak ruling classes, so victories like that are nothing to brag about. Our own soft, incompetent, cowardly, and vastly outnumbered ruling class only stands because of its control over the means of producing illusions.
The government of the czar was once world reaction's great bastion. It was indeed incredibly weak, but as you point out the U.S.'s ruling class is not particularly strong outside the realm of ideology (and military capability, much of which depends on the loyalty of the proletarians in the army). I think there are many applicable lessons for American workers from Lenin's success, and to a lesser extent from the successes of Tito, Mao, and Castro. But copying the specific methods of any of them as a model would not be the most intelligent application of the principles involved to the conditions specific to our time and place. And it is only strategy that informs success. Hence the need for science.
 
Graduates of an Obsolete Aristocratic Toxicity

You quote him just like the Fundamentalists quote the Epistles, as inspired by an infallible supernatural power. Marx was a conceited fraud who despised working people. His silly visions about history were just power-game hallucinations academics get by being stuck in the dark rooms of the Ivory Tower for too long.
He was an interesting observer of Victorian England.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member
To BitterPill: Are you just naturally stupid? Get an adult to explain it to you.
You did write:

Many years ago I said that I would like to see a national monument dedicated to the tens of millions who were murdered by totalitarian governments in the last century alone. Perhaps a national day of remembrance, too.

but that would also be a monument to victims of fascism.
 
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