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EatTheRich

President
They are not just waving a white flag, they are actively supporting the Trump/Putin murderers, rapists and destroyers of other people‘s property that are ransacking Ukraine right now. I heard a bunch of ass holes interviewed at CPAC saying that they have no problem with what Putin’s murder brigade is doing in Ukraine. Pretty scary when just a word comes from Trump’s filthy lying mouth can turn a once normal (although very naive and stupid) He conservative person into a Commie traitor overnight. Now our country is lousy with useful idiots for Vlad Putin and his Commie dream of world conquest as long as Donny is in for a piece of the action. Insanity reigns supreme in todays GOP.
Putin’s whole reason for his bellicosity is to provide a capitalist alternative to the communist aspirations of the masses. Communism means nothing if it doesn’t mean workers of all countries uniting in solidarity; it is thus irreconcilably opposed to national oppression.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. Any sufficiently mature global capitalist system inevitably breeds imperialism. “Imperialism is the foreign policy of finance capital.”-V.I. Lenin
2. You think making them dependent on the feds wouldn’t undermine their authority?
3. Saying the dead should be able to dispose of the opportunities of the living is promoting irrationality, inefficiency, a perverse incentive structure, and (of course) class privilege.
4. So why did the country’s wealthy rulers contrive to make sure Bush was in a position to do so?
1. Russia under Putin is a dictatorship closer to a kleptocracy than anything else.
2. No.
3. Stealing from someone who saved instead of spending everything they earned is just?
4. "Contrived" in what way? He won an election. His party pushed legislation and it passed with votes from legally elected representatives.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Putin’s whole reason for his bellicosity is to provide a capitalist alternative to the communist aspirations of the masses. Communism means nothing if it doesn’t mean workers of all countries uniting in solidarity; it is thus irreconcilably opposed to national oppression.
Ukraine is not a communist country anymore. So why did Putin invade?

The USSR was an oppressive regime. It failed. No matter how much money they spent on the KGB and the military....the people of the east bloc took down the communist governments. The chaos that resulted is why we now have to deal with Putin.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
What the hell does that mean? What "western neocons" have been part of an invasion of any of the NATO countries? What could be worse than living in Ukraine, but ruled by the Kremlin? Do you know how many millions of Ukrainians died in Stalin's famine?
Gee...why would they resent Russia? Russia occupied the Baltic states, made war on Finland...invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they tried to pick their own governments...

What act by the US or anyone other than Russia matches what the Russians have done?
Gee, is Stalin still in power in Russia? Putin made NO moves on Ukraine until GWB floated the idea of having Ukraine in NATO. The western neocons are using Ukraine to wage a proxy war against Putin in pursuit of regime change so they can engineer a globalist takeover by someone who will be more agreeable to their one world government aims. And all the Ukrainians are getting out of it is decimated. You seem to think there is something noble in Ukrainians dying fighting our war against Russia.

What act did the US do? Go back and reread the above...
 

EatTheRich

President
1. Russia under Putin is a dictatorship closer to a kleptocracy than anything else.
2. No.
3. Stealing from someone who saved instead of spending everything they earned is just?
4. "Contrived" in what way? He won an election. His party pushed legislation and it passed with votes from legally elected representatives.
1. You say potato, I say potato.
2. Well, that’s unrealistic.
3. Taxation is not theft.
4. Elections are readily manipulated via stock-market jobbing, the corporate media and scientific marketing techniques, the ideology industries, and voter suppression, not to mention the counterweights to democracy in the form of the Electoral College and in the case of that particular election the Supreme Court intervening in a nakedly partisan manner.
 

EatTheRich

President
Ukraine is not a communist country anymore. So why did Putin invade?

The USSR was an oppressive regime. It failed. No matter how much money they spent on the KGB and the military....the people of the east bloc took down the communist governments. The chaos that resulted is why we now have to deal with Putin.
1. Because unless Russia can use the prospect of seizing Ukraine’s wealth to buy off the loyalty of a privileged sector of the working class, while killing off the country’s best and brightest, stimulating industry by destroying wealth, and drowning resistance in war fanaticism, the capitalist regime in Russia will be overthrown.
2. No, the people of the Eastern bloc overthrew counterrevolutionary governments, thereby postponing the restoration of capitalism. They rose up specifically against perestroika, privatization, and the dictatorial measures intended to facilitate them.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Who do we owe $34 trillion to? Why not just tell them to go fvck themselves? What are they (whoever the hell they are) going to do about it. I say abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS. As long as our monetary system is controlled by a rotten pack of international bank percentage swindlers, we will continue to go further and further into debt. We need to coin our own money as per US Constitution and LEND MONEY at a reasonable rate to fund our government on interest collected. As the richest nation in the world, we should NEVER BORROW MONEY and pay any interest. Pretty simple concept and basic arithmetic.
That could be very destabilizing and lead to hyper-inflation. I think the better solution is to repeal the massive tax cuts doled out to the fatcats for the last few decades. The fatcats benefitted tremendously from those tax cuts (as demonstrated by the ever-growing wealth/income gaps) and it’s time for them to give some of the money back. They made the huge deficits, and now they should reverse them.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Gee, is Stalin still in power in Russia? Putin made NO moves on Ukraine until GWB floated the idea of having Ukraine in NATO. The western neocons are using Ukraine to wage a proxy war against Putin in pursuit of regime change so they can engineer a globalist takeover by someone who will be more agreeable to their one world government aims. And all the Ukrainians are getting out of it is decimated. You seem to think there is something noble in Ukrainians dying fighting our war against Russia.

What act did the US do? Go back and reread the above...
Nobody was forcing Ukraine to think about joining NATO. It was their own right as a sovereign nation. Putin had no right to tell them what defense agreements they could enter into.

What would Ukraine joining NATO have to do with regime change in Moscow? Perfectly idiotic attempt to link the two.

Our war? Putin invaded Ukraine...that was not something we encouraged. He claimed that Ukraine had no right to exist as a sovereign nation. His invasion was an imperial effort to expand Russia's borders. He fully intended to conquer Ukraine and failed.

By the way, Stalin died in 1953. When did Soviet troops invade Hungary....1956. When did Russia invade Czechoslovakia? 1968. When did they invade Afghanistan? 1979. When were there wars in Georgia and Chechnya?

Russia has repeatedly used military force to control the governments of neighboring countries.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
That could be very destabilizing and lead to hyper-inflation. I think the better solution is to repeal the massive tax cuts doled out to the fatcats for the last few decades. The fatcats benefitted tremendously from those tax cuts (as demonstrated by the ever-growing wealth/income gaps) and it’s time for them to give some of the money back. They made the huge deficits, and now they should reverse them.
I stand by my assertion that the U.S. as the richest and most powerful nation on earth should NEVER BORROW MONEY and NEVER PAY INTEREST, EVER. Smart business when it comes to borrowing and lending dictates that the advantage is always held by the lender.

Why would we as a nation ever want to take the inferior position of borrower? Pretty simple stuff. If the US decided to become the world’s largest lender we could finance our entire government on the interest paid to us. That would end the need for the IRS and income tax which is the second plank in the Communist manifesto.

Taxing labor is not only unconstitutional but downright stupid. It also has created a system by which the government seeks to gain unlimited information on every citizen regarding what should be their private financial affairs. The current system assures endless debt for working people and endless wealth for a small cadre of blood sucking leaches who do absolutely nothing positive for our country and the world in general.

Once we as a nation figure out that simple equation, things will begin to get better for people all over the world and poverty can be eradicated in a decade or two forever. Until then it will continue to be a matter of how bad and who gets screwed the hardest.
 

EatTheRich

President
I stand by my assertion that the U.S. as the richest and most powerful nation on earth should NEVER BORROW MONEY and NEVER PAY INTEREST, EVER. Smart business when it comes to borrowing and lending dictates that the advantage is always held by the lender.

Why would we as a nation ever want to take the inferior position of borrower? Pretty simple stuff. If the US decided to become the world’s largest lender we could finance our entire government on the interest paid to us. That would end the need for the IRS and income tax which is the second plank in the Communist manifesto.

Taxing labor is not only unconstitutional but downright stupid. It also has created a system by which the government seeks to gain unlimited information on every citizen regarding what should be their private financial affairs. The current system assures endless debt for working people and endless wealth for a small cadre of blood sucking leaches who do absolutely nothing positive for our country and the world in general.

Once we as a nation figure out that simple equation, things will begin to get better for people all over the world and poverty can be eradicated in a decade or two forever. Until then it will continue to be a matter of how bad and who gets screwed the hardest.
The government is purposely driven into debt so as to enrich the bankers to whom the debt is owed. In fact, the credit that makes industrial investment viable depends on this arrangement. Fiscal sanity requires a socialist transformation of the mode of production.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I stand by my assertion that the U.S. as the richest and most powerful nation on earth should NEVER BORROW MONEY and NEVER PAY INTEREST, EVER. Smart business when it comes to borrowing and lending dictates that the advantage is always held by the lender.

Why would we as a nation ever want to take the inferior position of borrower? Pretty simple stuff. If the US decided to become the world’s largest lender we could finance our entire government on the interest paid to us. That would end the need for the IRS and income tax which is the second plank in the Communist manifesto.

Taxing labor is not only unconstitutional but downright stupid. It also has created a system by which the government seeks to gain unlimited information on every citizen regarding what should be their private financial affairs. The current system assures endless debt for working people and endless wealth for a small cadre of blood sucking leaches who do absolutely nothing positive for our country and the world in general.

Once we as a nation figure out that simple equation, things will begin to get better for people all over the world and poverty can be eradicated in a decade or two forever. Until then it will continue to be a matter of how bad and who gets screwed the hardest.
We currently owe about $30 trillion. Before we can talk about anything else in your post we have to pay that off.

I agree that borrowing should only be done in an emergency....war, major economic downturn (ie 1929)....pandemic, massive natural disaster. Perot tried to make that case in 1992. The equivalent is to use credit cards to live on and year on year, raising your household debts.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
We currently owe about $30 trillion. Before we can talk about anything else in your post we have to pay that off.

I agree that borrowing should only be done in an emergency....war, major economic downturn (ie 1929)....pandemic, massive natural disaster. Perot tried to make that case in 1992. The equivalent is to use credit cards to live on and year on year, raising your household debts.
Paying off the debt would be a breeze as most of this debt is probably fraudulenly created and thus uncollectable when closely scrutinized. Perot came closest of any non Democrat or Republican since Teddy R of winning the Presidency in 1992. I know I voted for him twice.

If a similar person who was not a midget with a squeaky voice and a twangy southern dialect came upon the scene and explained the simple truth that WE SHOULD NEVER BORROW MONEY OR PAY INTEREST and had a plan to abolish the very unpopular IRS and the Federal Reserve, I think he or she would be a very attractive candidate.

A good case can be made that income tax is unconstitutional and taxing a man’s labor is disgusting on many levels. This person could also point out that Income tax is a totally MARXIST idea. Marxism is not a very popular dogma these days.

Until we get rid of the present system, we will all continue to be at the mercy of a small cadre of unethical bank percentage swindlers. That’s an undeniable fact. That person we need to find and run would definitely have to hire their own security personell.

Either a good looking woman with a pretty face, a small waist and big tits or a 6’2” man who is fit, well spoken and a nice honest face with humility and grace would be ideal. He/she is out there somewhere. Maybe already a Congressman or woman or Senator….
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Paying off the debt would be a breeze as most of this debt is probably fraudulenly created and thus uncollectable when closely scrutinized. Perot came closest of any non Democrat or Republican since Teddy R of winning the Presidency in 1992. I know I voted for him twice.

If a similar person who was not a midget with a squeaky voice and a southern dialect came upon the scene and explained the simple truth that WE SHOULD NEVER BORROW MONEY OR PAY INTEREST and had a plan to abolish the very unpopular IRS and the Federal Reserve, I think he or she would be a very attractive candidate.

A good case can be made that income tax is unconstitutional and taxing a man’s labor is disgusting on many levels. This person could also point out that Income tax is also a totally MARXIST idea. Marxism is not a very popular dogma these days.

Until we get rid of the present system, we will all continue to be at the mercy of a small cadre of unethical bank percentage swindlers. That’s an undeniable fact. That person we need to find and run would definitely have to hire their own security personell.

Either a good looking woman with a pretty face, a small waist and big tits or a 6’2” man who is fit, well spoken and a nice face would be ideal. He/she is out there somewhere. Maybe already a Congressman or woman or Senator….
Most of the national debt is owed to Social Security. I worked on his campaign and was county co-chair. I was also an employee in the late 70s of EDS. I voted for him in 1992, but not in 1996.

Not sure how you get that income tax is unconstitutional. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the constitution.

Marxism is not simple taxation....it is confiscation.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Most of the national debt is owed to Social Security. I worked on his campaign and was county co-chair. I was also an employee in the late 70s of EDS. I voted for him in 1992, but not in 1996.

Not sure how you get that income tax is unconstitutional. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the constitution.

Marxism is not simple taxation....it is confiscation.
Yeah, but income tax is the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto. Taxing a man’s labor is disgusting. Tax should be on Capitol and fairly apportioned never on labor. Also this IRS has been slowly decimating the bill of rights. Banks have gone from being fiduciaries to their clients to informants for IRS, DEA, FBI. Your bank will now rat you out to those agencies behind your back. Used to be that banks would require a warrant before divulging any information of their clients and immediately alert their customers when anyone started nosing around. Now they work for those guys.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Yeah, but income tax is the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto. Taxing a man’s labor is disgusting. Tax should be on Capitol and fairly apportioned never on labor. Also this IRS has been slowly decimating the bill of rights. Banks have gone from being fiduciaries to their clients to informants for IRS, DEA, FBI. Your bank will now rat you out to those agencies behind your back. Used to be that banks would require a warrant before divulging any information of their clients and immediately alert their customers when anyone started nosing around. Now they work for those guys.
A communist system takes everything produced and pays people a small proportion of the value. You act as if the Communist manifesto should have anything at all to do with what we do here in the US.

Tax on capitol? How would that work? Tax what is in my savings account? What ever I don't spend the government confiscates.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
A communist system takes everything produced and pays people a small proportion of the value. You act as if the Communist manifesto should have anything at all to do with what we do here in the US.

Tax on capitol? How would that work? Tax what is in my savings account? What ever I don't spend the government confiscates.
No comment on huge changes in banking system from fiduciary to informant since 1985…
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I stand by my assertion that the U.S. as the richest and most powerful nation on earth should NEVER BORROW MONEY and NEVER PAY INTEREST, EVER. Smart business when it comes to borrowing and lending dictates that the advantage is always held by the lender.

Why would we as a nation ever want to take the inferior position of borrower? Pretty simple stuff. If the US decided to become the world’s largest lender we could finance our entire government on the interest paid to us. That would end the need for the IRS and income tax which is the second plank in the Communist manifesto.

Taxing labor is not only unconstitutional but downright stupid. It also has created a system by which the government seeks to gain unlimited information on every citizen regarding what should be their private financial affairs. The current system assures endless debt for working people and endless wealth for a small cadre of blood sucking leaches who do absolutely nothing positive for our country and the world in general.

Once we as a nation figure out that simple equation, things will begin to get better for people all over the world and poverty can be eradicated in a decade or two forever. Until then it will continue to be a matter of how bad and who gets screwed the hardest.
So what’s the alternative? No budgets, so no deficits? If there are deficits and we don’t issue bonds to cover it, what happens?
 

EatTheRich

President
Yeah, but income tax is the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto. Taxing a man’s labor is disgusting. Tax should be on Capitol and fairly apportioned never on labor. Also this IRS has been slowly decimating the bill of rights. Banks have gone from being fiduciaries to their clients to informants for IRS, DEA, FBI. Your bank will now rat you out to those agencies behind your back. Used to be that banks would require a warrant before divulging any information of their clients and immediately alert their customers when anyone started nosing around. Now they work for those guys.
The income tax as proposed by Marx was not on the fruits of workers’ labor but on what is now called “unearned income.”
 
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