Bugsy McGurk
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I didn’t mention Biden. No comment on Trump’s surrender deal with the Taliban?ah, the ole Biden is powerless routine.
Biden extended the deadline.
I didn’t mention Biden. No comment on Trump’s surrender deal with the Taliban?ah, the ole Biden is powerless routine.
Biden extended the deadline.
They don’t believe in making constructive suggestions. They only believe in bitching about Biden.Yes, given Trump's surrender, Biden had a choice of shitty options. Could it have turned out worse? Yes. Biden could have rushed 50,000 troops into Kabul. How would that have turned out? How many American lives lost to Taliban attacks on us. Remember that we'd have limited support from the Afghan army. We'd have no support from our Nato allies, who had already withdrawn.
Biden didn't start with a clean slate.
Yes, Afghanistan was a waste. After all those wasted years..a few more weeks or months to leave in an orderly fashion would have gone along wayI didn’t mention Biden. No comment on Trump’s surrender deal with the Taliban?
You continue to pretend that Trump’s surrender deal didn’t inevitably lead to the total collapse. Such fiction is boring by now. It’s been refuted ad nauseam.Yes, Afghanistan was a waste. After all those wasted years..a few more weeks or months to leave in an orderly fashion would have gone along way
I contend it was failing for years and years. A waste.You continue to pretend that Trump’s surrender deal didn’t inevitably lead to the total collapse. Such fiction is boring by now. It’s been refuted ad nauseam.
Nope. Not years and years. Trump’s surrender deal with the Taliban was the year before, and that’s true whether you type fast or slow. He left behind an inevitable disaster for Biden, which you blame on Biden.I contend it was failing for years and years. A waste.
Is that clear to you, or do I type it slower?
Factually. Biden extended the departure. It could have been handled better
Nah. Afghanistan has always been a disaster. History doesn't change on your say soNope. Not years and years. Trump’s surrender deal with the Taliban was the year before, and that’s true whether you type fast or slow. He left behind an inevitable disaster for Biden, which you blame on Biden.
Yup. But we were discussing Trump’s Taliban surrender deal. As you know.Nah. Afghanistan has always been a disaster. History doesn't change on your say so
Me? No, I'm delighted.Awww...did that upset you? Sorry.
You pretend that the Taliban would have allowed a further extension.Yes, Afghanistan was a waste. After all those wasted years..a few more weeks or months to leave in an orderly fashion would have gone along way
Factually. Biden extended the departure. It could have been handled better
He extended it because it became obvious that an evacuation was needed because the Afghan army and government were collapsing.You are correct.
The Human Shields won't like it, but what you've posted here will continue to be correct all the same.
I don't. I pretended nothing. Neither extension or otherYou pretend that the Taliban would have allowed a further extension.
Trump signed the surrender in jan 2020. Other than most US troops....did he begin an evacuation of US citizens or allies?
You keep mentioning the extension from Trump's agreed withdrawal in April 2021. Why?I don't. I pretended nothing. Neither extension or other
At the start of the Trump administration there were approximately 13,000 troops in Afghanistan. At the start of the Biden administration there were about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.
Let me know your thoughts on that...
Trump lost the election.... yes?You keep mentioning the extension from Trump's agreed withdrawal in April 2021. Why?
Trump pulled the majority of troops out without even planning for the evacuation of US citizens or allies. I think Trump's plan to pull US troops out created a huge problem for Biden. There were not enough troops to hold both Bagram and Kabul airports. Certainly not enough to hold Kabul, itself.
Remember, that our allies and the Kabul government were not part of Trump's negotiation with the Taliban. Our allies pulled their troops out. The Brits had to rush 1,000 troops back to help evacuate their citizens and didn't manage an orderly withdrawal of their people either. The Afghan army lost 3,000 men during Trump's ceasefire and that had to have something to do with the end to US air support.
In my opinion, there should have been sufficient forces to hold Kabul and a perimeter around the city to keep the Taliban from being able to use artillery against the city. That would have permitted the orderly evacuation that would have been preferable. US forces alone were too thin to do that.
Yup. And the Broncos lost their last gazzilion games. So?Trump lost the election.... yes?
How did things work in your world.? I've shown already earlier in this thread that the troop volume in Afghanistan over the course of the Trump administration reduced from 13,000 to 2,500. When you say so, what exactly do you mean? Trump lost the election therefore he vacated office correct? It reads to me as though he reduced troop volume by some 11,000 people. Do you disagree? After he left office whom do you believe is responsible for safeguarding any staff that remained in Afghanistan after his term in office ended?Yup. And the Broncos lost their last gazzilion games. So?
Yes, Trump reduced troop strength to less than the number needed to secure Kabul. How could Biden have restored the Afghan army to pre-surrender strength and confidence in the US?How did things work in your world.? I've shown already earlier in this thread that the troop volume in Afghanistan over the course of the Trump administration reduced from 13,000 to 2,500. When you say so, what exactly do you mean? Trump lost the election therefore he vacated office correct? It reads to me as though he reduced troop volume by some 11,000 people. Do you disagree? After he left office whom do you believe is responsible for safeguarding any staff that remained in Afghanistan after his term in office ended?
Who said all that was necessary? Simply an organized exodus would have sufficed. I guess pretending all this other stuff was necessary is fun and all...Yes, Trump reduced troop strength to less than the number needed to secure Kabul. How could Biden have restored the Afghan army to pre-surrender strength and confidence in the US?
How could he bring the 3,000 Afghan troops killed while they had no US air support back to life?
How could he force the 5,000 Taliban prisoners to return to prison?
How could he have forseen the collapse of the Afghan government and army?
How quickly could he have redeployed 50,000 or so troops it would take to retake Kabul from the Taliban who had already infiltrated the city?
I'm saying the damage Trump did was substantial. You seem to imply that Biden could easily restore the situation to pre-surrender status.
Would the Taliban have allowed a further extension? I'd doubt it. The Taliban controlled the city and they created the chaos. How the US could have brought a few hundred thousand refugees into the airport and organized their departure is something you should explain.Who said all that was necessary? Simply an organized exodus would have sufficed. I guess pretending all this other stuff was necessary is fun and all...