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Bell bottoms, soft rock and foolish dreams

justoffal

Senator
I started looking through some old pictures the other day. It's been awhile since I did that nostalgic stroll through memory lane and frankly I'm not sure whether I actually enjoy it or I just do it to torture myself. I suppose it's one of those things that's inevitable every now and then.

I don't pretend to be much to look at but one does in the course of habitual living develop a self image that we expect to see in the mirror sometime after waking and before coffee. I guess we either settle on that image or try to change it but the point is we grow accustomed to our here and now such as it is. Jumping back twenty five or thirty years with the aid of old photographs or letters or even some misplaced momento can be fun but it can also be a latent form of culture shock.

I often think that we do not prepare ourselves well enough for that effect when we do take that journey into the past. It can make us smile but it can also unnerve us. Oddly, unlike many others that I hear talking fondly of the past with words like " I wish I could go back there and do that again! " Or " What I wouldn't give to be 16 again " I do not ever wish to revisit it. I am happy with where the past is and that would be in the past.
When I look back on those years of youth and vibrance I don't just see the youth and the vibrance I also see stupidity, horror clothing, long hair and bad choices. I am reminded of once dearly held political ideals that turned to garbage and of clarion calls for this cause or that hope which ultimately amounted to nothing. What an idiot! I wouldn't do it again for all the wealth on earth. Once is enough forever!

Did I really live in the 70's? It all seems so unreal right now. I guess I miss some of the music but when I really listen to the words I wonder what I ever saw in some of it to begin with. So much lack of direction, so unfocused and reactionary with very little attention given to the intellectual process and most of the attention to hormones, booze and substances. Dammit we virtually glorified the empty and meaningless lifestyle back then!! I like to call it the pupae stage of North American development, a stage you can't avoid but one you sure as hell don't want to repeat.

Memories are a good thing, maybe even the bad ones; It is important however to remember exactly what they are, memories. The ghosts of our past can be helpful in making future choices but I realize now more than ever that they must never be allowed to dominate our thinking or haunt our lives to the point where they hinder our progress. We are creatures of growth and when we stop growing.....well I don't want to say it but you know where I'm going with that. If and when I find those old bell bottoms not only will I not try them on I'm pretty sure they'll go where they belong, in the dumpster. Who knows when the moment arrives I might get sentimental but you know I really doubt it.

JO
 
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Wulk

Mayor
It could have been worse, you could have lived in the time of the "macaroni" fashion.

I refused to wear bell bottoms, couldn't stand the darn things. Mind, not as bad as todays' fashion of those ridiculous three quarter length pants, and the equally idiotic style of wearing pants with the crotch hanging around the knees flashing underwear - yeuk!
 

justoffal

Senator
It could have been worse, you could have lived in the time of the "macaroni" fashion.

I refused to wear bell bottoms, couldn't stand the darn things. Mind, not as bad as todays' fashion of those ridiculous three quarter length pants, and the equally idiotic style of wearing pants with the crotch hanging around the knees flashing underwear - yeuk!
Good god.....at least the bell bottoms covered everything....

JO
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
I started looking though some old pictures the other day. It's been a while since I did that stroll through memory lane and frankly I'm not sure whether I actually enjoy it or I just do it to torture myself but it is something I suppose that is inevitable every now and then.

I don't pretend to be much to look at but one does in the course of habitual living develop a self image that we expect to see in the mirror sometime after waking and before coffee and I guess we settle on that image or try to change it but the point is we grow accustomed to our here and now. Jumping back twenty five or thirty years with the aid of old photographs or letters or even some misplaced momento can be fun but it can also be a latent form of culture shock. I often think that we do no prepare ourselves well enough for that effect when we do take that journey into the past. It can make us smile but it can also unnerve us. Oddly, unlike many others that I hear talking fondly of the past with words lie " I wish I could go back there and do that again! " ....I do not ever wish to revisit it. I am happy with wehre it is and that would be.....in the past.

When I look back on those years of youth and vibrance I don't just see the youth and the vibrance I also see stupidity, horror clothing, long hair and bad choices. I am reminded of once dearly held poltical ideals that turned to garbage and of clarion calls for this cause or that hope which ultimately amounted to nothing though I lived and breathed them at the time. What an idiot! I wouldn't do it again for all the wealth on earth...no way ...no how...once is enough forever!

Did I really live in the 70's? Seems so ureal right now...I guess I miss some of the music but when I really listen to the words I wonder what I ever saw in some of it. So much lack of direction, so unfocused and reactionary.....very little attention to the intellectual process and most of the attention to hormones, booze and substances. Dammit we virtually glorified the empty and meaningless lifestyle back then. I call it the pupae stage of North American development....a stage you can't avoid but one you sure as hell don't want to repeat.

Memories are a good thing even the bad ones but it is important to remember what they are.....memories. The ghosts of our past can be helpful in making future choices but I realize now more than ever that they must never be allowed to dominate our thnking or haunt our lives to the point where they hinder our progress. We are creatures of growth and when we stop growing.....well I don't want to say it but you know where I'm going with that. If and when I find those old bell bottoms not only will I not try them on I'm pretty sure they'll go where they belong.... in the dumpster. Who knows when the moment arrives I might get sentimental but you know..... I really doubt it.

JO
Maybe you just had bad taste in music and clothes. I will agree that there was a general bad taste approach to clothes then. Matching shirt/tie sets, platforms...yeah, it was bad. I look back and the major differences in my sartorial splendor is in the eye-wear. Some of the old glasses are quite spectacularly ugly. Turns out, I've always worn jeans and t-shirts.

Music reflects life. Booze and substances? Staples of song since long before the 70's, especially in black music. Sometimes a song is so very deeply embedded in the time it does sound dated. Other times, it remains vital and passes through time undamaged and perhaps even strengthened. I still like Bach and Mozart and Beethoven...and I still like ragtime and old New Orleans jazz. The age of the music isn't important in the slightest.

I look at the Billboard 100 from 1972 and simply can't agree with you. "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is a beautiful love song and still sounds great today. Bill Withers Lean on Me, Arlo's version of the Steve Goodman classic, City of New Orleans, is #45 on the year end charts.

The post vietnam era, featuring disco, is a low point, imo. 1977. Ewwww. Rod Stewart, Andy Gibb, Hot, Abba, KC and The Sunshine Band, Leo Sayer.

Rock and roll returned just a few years later with the likes of The Clash and Elvis Costello. They were never chart toppers, but pop had taken over and would not relinquish spots to edgier music.

But your basic premise is....Young people are kinda ignorant...isn't exactly a new concept. As George Bernard Shaw noted: Youth is a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it on children.
 

justoffal

Senator
Maybe you just had bad taste in music and clothes. I will agree that there was a general bad taste approach to clothes then. Matching shirt/tie sets, platforms...yeah, it was bad. I look back and the major differences in my sartorial splendor is in the eye-wear. Some of the old glasses are quite spectacularly ugly. Turns out, I've always worn jeans and t-shirts.

Music reflects life. Booze and substances? Staples of song since long before the 70's, especially in black music. Sometimes a song is so very deeply embedded in the time it does sound dated. Other times, it remains vital and passes through time undamaged and perhaps even strengthened. I still like Bach and Mozart and Beethoven...and I still like ragtime and old New Orleans jazz. The age of the music isn't important in the slightest.

I look at the Billboard 100 from 1972 and simply can't agree with you. "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is a beautiful love song and still sounds great today. Bill Withers Lean on Me, Arlo's version of the Steve Goodman classic, City of New Orleans, is #45 on the year end charts.

The post vietnam era, featuring disco, is a low point, imo. 1977. Ewwww. Rod Stewart, Andy Gibb, Hot, Abba, KC and The Sunshine Band, Leo Sayer.

Rock and roll returned just a few years later with the likes of The Clash and Elvis Costello. They were never chart toppers, but pop had taken over and would not relinquish spots to edgier music.

But your basic premise is....Young people are kinda ignorant...isn't exactly a new concept. As George Bernard Shaw noted: Youth is a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it on children.
Forever young was another song by Rod Stewart.....

What a liar!

:)

JO
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
Forever young was another song by Rod Stewart.....

What a liar!

:)

JO
Well...that's a Bob Dylan song...:cool:

Rod Stewart stays young through his hefneresque ways...and Bob Dylan stays young by constantly creating both music and other forms of art.
 

justoffal

Senator
Well...that's a Bob Dylan song...:cool:

Rod Stewart stays young through his hefneresque ways...and Bob Dylan stays young by constantly creating both music and other forms of art.
What you mean is they live in the illusion of youth....which I guess for some is OK.
Frankly I would tend to distrust opinions of people who do that because it's the one thing if there is any one thing that doesn't make any sense to deny. See aging is progress until it becomes decay. When that happens I suppose is different for everybody. One thing I cannot countencance however is a middle aged teenager....it's just embarassing

I have to admit though there are a few oldies that I still have a soft spot for.

This one never gets tired for me. It's the ringtone on my phone made by slave labor at Foxcon.


Though if I remember correctly this was called a Blue Grass hit when it was originally popular.

JO
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
What you mean is they live in the illusion of youth....which I guess for some is OK.
Frankly I would tend to distrust opinions of people who do that because its the one thing if there is any one thing that doesn't make any sense to deny.

I have to admint though there are a few oldies that I still have a soft spot for.

This one never gets tired for me.


Though if I remember correctly this was called a Blue Grass hit when it was originally popular.

JO
Bluegrass? Can't say I recall such labeling.

The illusion of youth? Or the failure to "act one's age" and be a set in the ways fuddy duddy? I doubt either man mentioned actually believes they are forever young, but each perhaps has a more youthful attitude.

Forever Young, Bob Dylan

May God bless and keep you always
May your wishes all come true
May you always do for others
And let others do for you
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous
May you grow up to be true
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you
May you always be courageous
Stand upright and be strong
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy
May your feet always be swift
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
May your heart always be joyful
And may your song always be sung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.


Ya know...I've learned something here. The songs are not the same, but the structures are similar as are the words. Stewart went to Dylan concerned about it...and Dylan gets partial writing credit...

...The Beatles' "Come Together" shared a similar cadence and melody with Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me," but the clincher may have been John Lennon's singing "Here come old flat-top" as opposed to Berry's "Here come a flattop." (Lennon settled.) Given the musical and lyrical similarities of their "Forever Young" songs, Rod Stewart wound up giving Bob Dylan a songwriter credit.

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/14/bc-mus-copycatstb-_-entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment

Forever Young, Rod Stewart/Bob Dylan

May the good Lord be with you
Down every road you roam
And may sunshine and happiness
surround you when you're far from home
And may you grow to be proud
Dignified and true
And do unto others
As you'd have done to you
Be courageous and be brave
And in my heart you'll always stay
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young

May good fortune be with you
May your guiding light be strong
Build a stairway to heaven
with a prince or a vagabond

And may you never love in vain
and in my heart you will remain
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young
Forever Young

And when you finally fly away
I'll be hoping that I served you well
For all the wisdom of a lifetime
No one can ever tell

But whatever road you choose
I'm right behind you, win or lose
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young ,Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young
For, Forever Young, Forever Young
 

justoffal

Senator
Bluegrass? Can't say I recall such labeling.

The illusion of youth? Or the failure to "act one's age" and be a set in the ways fuddy duddy? I doubt either man mentioned actually believes they are forever young, but each perhaps has a more youthful attitude.

Forever Young, Bob Dylan

May God bless and keep you always
May your wishes all come true
May you always do for others
And let others do for you
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous
May you grow up to be true
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you
May you always be courageous
Stand upright and be strong
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy
May your feet always be swift
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
May your heart always be joyful
And may your song always be sung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.


Ya know...I've learned something here. The songs are not the same, but the structures are similar as are the words. Stewart went to Dylan concerned about it...and Dylan gets partial writing credit...

...The Beatles' "Come Together" shared a similar cadence and melody with Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me," but the clincher may have been John Lennon's singing "Here come old flat-top" as opposed to Berry's "Here come a flattop." (Lennon settled.) Given the musical and lyrical similarities of their "Forever Young" songs, Rod Stewart wound up giving Bob Dylan a songwriter credit.

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/14/bc-mus-copycatstb-_-entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment

Forever Young, Rod Stewart/Bob Dylan

May the good Lord be with you
Down every road you roam
And may sunshine and happiness
surround you when you're far from home
And may you grow to be proud
Dignified and true
And do unto others
As you'd have done to you
Be courageous and be brave
And in my heart you'll always stay
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young

May good fortune be with you
May your guiding light be strong
Build a stairway to heaven
with a prince or a vagabond

And may you never love in vain
and in my heart you will remain
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young
Forever Young

And when you finally fly away
I'll be hoping that I served you well
For all the wisdom of a lifetime
No one can ever tell

But whatever road you choose
I'm right behind you, win or lose
Forever Young, Forever Young
Forever Young ,Forever Young
Forever Young, Forever Young
For, Forever Young, Forever Young

Good Lyrics though! Damn good Lyrics!

JO
 

gigi

Mayor
But JO, wouldn't you love to go back to then with what you know now, and do all stuff you should have done and none of the stuff that got in the way of where you wanted to end up?

I still love bellbottoms and feathered hair.
 

Jen

Be happy.
Why is it so painful to look back at our young selves? Should it be? I don't know what it should be, but although there are some smiles for me when revisiting those times, for the most part it is uncomfortable. And I would not go back and redo it - even though with what I know now I could do it right - for all the tea in China.

And

I believe that it is possible that doing a few things wrong, VERY wrong (probably more "embarrassing" than wrong for the most part) , got me to where I am today and I am in a good place. The struggles, the mistakes, the small victories all needed to be there. Doing it all again would provide a much smoother tapestry, but that tapestry wouldn't be nearly so interesting.
 

fairsheet

Senator
I started looking though some old pictures the other day. It's been a while since I did that stroll through memory lane and frankly I'm not sure whether I actually enjoy it or I just do it to torture myself but it is something I suppose that is inevitable every now and then.

I don't pretend to be much to look at but one does in the course of habitual living develop a self image that we expect to see in the mirror sometime after waking and before coffee and I guess we settle on that image or try to change it but the point is we grow accustomed to our here and now. Jumping back twenty five or thirty years with the aid of old photographs or letters or even some misplaced momento can be fun but it can also be a latent form of culture shock. I often think that we do no prepare ourselves well enough for that effect when we do take that journey into the past. It can make us smile but it can also unnerve us. Oddly, unlike many others that I hear talking fondly of the past with words lie " I wish I could go back there and do that again! " ....I do not ever wish to revisit it. I am happy with wehre it is and that would be.....in the past.

When I look back on those years of youth and vibrance I don't just see the youth and the vibrance I also see stupidity, horror clothing, long hair and bad choices. I am reminded of once dearly held poltical ideals that turned to garbage and of clarion calls for this cause or that hope which ultimately amounted to nothing though I lived and breathed them at the time. What an idiot! I wouldn't do it again for all the wealth on earth...no way ...no how...once is enough forever!

Did I really live in the 70's? Seems so ureal right now...I guess I miss some of the music but when I really listen to the words I wonder what I ever saw in some of it. So much lack of direction, so unfocused and reactionary.....very little attention to the intellectual process and most of the attention to hormones, booze and substances. Dammit we virtually glorified the empty and meaningless lifestyle back then. I call it the pupae stage of North American development....a stage you can't avoid but one you sure as hell don't want to repeat.

Memories are a good thing even the bad ones but it is important to remember what they are.....memories. The ghosts of our past can be helpful in making future choices but I realize now more than ever that they must never be allowed to dominate our thnking or haunt our lives to the point where they hinder our progress. We are creatures of growth and when we stop growing.....well I don't want to say it but you know where I'm going with that. If and when I find those old bell bottoms not only will I not try them on I'm pretty sure they'll go where they belong.... in the dumpster. Who knows when the moment arrives I might get sentimental but you know..... I really doubt it.

JO
As far as I'm concerned, our music had it ALL over today's music for a whole host of reasons that go well beyond just nostalgia. And as to our naivete and general stupidity? Hey....all generations of teenagers are/were just as naive and stupid. So, it's easy for me to write that one off.

But then....we come to the question of protraits, using our high school graduation portraits as a good example. From my perspective, my generation - say....'72 to around maybe '78 was rare and perhaps unique, in that most of our pictures from that time were just downright embarrassing! Most generations - at least of men - might be a little "period" and quaint, but they're at least something a guy can take a little pride in.

To illustrate what I'm talking about, here's whatcha do. Go to a country club or any other organization that has portraits of all its past presidents. See which ones jump out as ...... laughable. You'll see what I mean.

As for women and their eras and portraits? I don't know. For instance, a whole lot of portraits of girls from my era, look just fine.
 

justoffal

Senator
But JO, wouldn't you love to go back to then with what you know now, and do all stuff you should have done and none of the stuff that got in the way of where you wanted to end up?

I still love bellbottoms and feathered hair.
If I could somehow keep my knowledge and experience and then take back a young body? OH YES! Now that I would do in a heartbeat if it was possible.

JO
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
How the times, they are a changing - Dylan had it right.
I look back on youth with very mixed feeling. I was a Kennedy Democrat with long hair past my shoulders, but had biddies dieing in NAM, I tried to ride both sides of that fence. Lyndon Johnson comes along and my view of the world starts to change. His war policies were hurendous, but even worse was his "Great Society". Even as a young man I could see that to be a disaster in the making and sure enough it has succeeded in destroying the Black families. It got the father out of the home and women dependent on government that they are addicted to. Yes, LBJ built the Urban Ghetto Plantation. I became a Republican and can't believe I ever believed the liberal mush that they put out.
I look back on the economic times and there were some bad spots with big recessions caused by various things, but in those days it was a given that it was short lived and things would get better. Those days are so gone, no longer can people hang on for the better days because quite frankly I don't think they are coming. Hate America, no absolutely note, just the opposite. I weep for what I see happening in my country. We have gone from an industrial power that lead the world in innovation through science, our schools were ranked number one. Today our manufacturing is gone and we are quickly fading as the science leaders and are schools have become 3rd world quality. I see a constant march for the welfare state, open borders that make no sense with over 5 million people out of work. So much of what I see makes no sense.
Would I go back if I could, In a heart beat. Maybe not for the reasons you may think. I spent a lifetime building companies and got rich in the process, but I lost a country. I would go back and become a fighter for our country. What that means I'm not sure, maybe politics or a teacher, something that would go against the dumbed down welfare attitude be have become.

The music I thought was great, with many styles and sounds to select from. Crocy, Beatles, Seager...
I look in the mirror these days and don't recognize what is looking back, where did that good looking youthful guy go? I would take a do over in a heart beat, I just hope I would get smarter faster about where the bad comes from.
 
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Fast Eddy

Mayor
Good god.....at least the bell bottoms covered everything....

JO
I liked Bell bottoms and Hip Hugger jeans on Women. The Hot pants and boots were a bit slutty, but then again I was young and could overlook such vulgarities. LOL
I was thinking about the dress differences between then and know and shudder to think of to days young women wearing much of the clothes of that era. I hate to say it as I have granddaughters, but the majority of young women today are just flat too heavy and I personally hate tattoos on women. Young girls used to really work on looking good, the same efforts do not exist today as I see a lot of slobs in public.
This post has probably confirmed I have my feet planted in the past, but just one mans view of life.
 

fairsheet

Senator
How the times, they are a changing - Dylan had it right.
I look back on youth with very mixed feeling. I was a Kennedy Democrat with long hair past my shoulders, but had biddies dieing in NAM, I tried to ride both sides of that fence. Lyndon Johnson comes along and my view of the world starts to change. His war policies were hurendous, but even worse was his "Great Society". Even as a young man I could see that to be a disaster in the making and sure enough it has succeeded in destroying the Black families. It got the father out of the home and women dependent on government that they are addicted to. Yes, LBJ built the Urban Ghetto Plantation. I became a Republican and can't believe I ever believed the liberal mush that they put out.
I look back on the economic times and there were some bad spots with big recessions caused by various things, but in those days it was a given that it was short lived and things would get better. Those days are so gone, no longer can people hang on for the better days because quite frankly I don't think they are coming. Hate America, no absolutely note, just the opposite. I weep for what I see happening in my country. We have gone from an industrial power that lead the world in innovation through science, our schools were ranked number one. Today our manufacturing is gone and we are quickly fading as the science leaders and are schools have become 3rd world quality. I see a constant march for the welfare state, open borders that make no sense with over 5 million people out of work. So much of what I see makes no sense.
Would I go back if I could, In a heart beat. Maybe not for the reasons you may think. I spent a lifetime building companies and got rich in the process, but I lost a country. I would go back and become a fighter for our country. What that means I'm not sure, maybe politics or a teacher, something that would go against the dumbed down welfare attitude be have become.

The music I thought was great, with many styles and sounds to select from. Crocy, Beatles, Seager...
I look in the mirror these days and don't recognize what is looking back, where did that good looking youthful guy go? I would take a do over in a heart beat, I just hope I would get smarter faster about where the bad comes from.
Thanks for bringing up LBJ, whom I see somewhat differently. Of course from my perspective, he was historically terrific as to the domestic/social, but he disappointed a whole lot of people with his conduct of Vietnam.

But then....how about all the people he caused to turn to Nixon and the Republicans? In terms of - for wont of a better word - "progressivity", Nixon was actually remarkable progressive from a "state-centric" perspective. The way I've read it, that goes back to Nixon's infamous "paranoia". He was so afraid of the left back then, so he made it his mission to get out in front of left and outdo them.
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
Thanks for bringing up LBJ, whom I see somewhat differently. Of course from my perspective, he was historically terrific as to the domestic/social, but he disappointed a whole lot of people with his conduct of Vietnam.

But then....how about all the people he caused to turn to Nixon and the Republicans? In terms of - for wont of a better word - "progressivity", Nixon was actually remarkable progressive from a "state-centric" perspective. The way I've read it, that goes back to Nixon's infamous "paranoia". He was so afraid of the left back then, so he made it his mission to get out in front of left and outdo them.
We as a country sure have had horrible leaders. LBJ and his damn war and great Society. The great society and its war on Poverty has cost us 17 trillion dollars and enslaved the Blacks. Nixon took us off the Gold standard and Ushered in corruption only surpassed by Obama. Then we get the dim whit from Georgia that screwed up everything he touched, thank God he took long naps and fussed about who had the tennis court time. Clinton has his Lawinski, but wasn't that bad on the economics and Bush and his damn open borders and wars.
I think we have elected Crap for the better part of 70 years. The future doesn't look any brighter - Hillary, UGH!
 

fairsheet

Senator
We as a country sure have had horrible leaders. LBJ and his damn war and great Society. The great society and its war on Poverty has cost us 17 trillion dollars and enslaved the Blacks. Nixon took us off the Gold standard and Ushered in corruption only surpassed by Obama. Then we get the dim whit from Georgia that screwed up everything he touched, thank God he took long naps and fussed about who had the tennis court time. Clinton has his Lawinski, but wasn't that bad on the economics and Bush and his damn open borders and wars.
I think we have elected Crap for the better part of 70 years. The future doesn't look any brighter - Hillary, UGH!
Hey, I've noted before, that my erstwhile boss, a Republican through and through, once opined that Clinton was the most conservative president since Eisenhower. I think there's a pretty good objective case to be made for that. For the record though, I'm not necessarily suggesting a relevant link between Bill and Hillary. I'm confident that she'll be our next president, but at least at this point, I have no idea what her presidency will look like.
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
Hey, I've noted before, that my erstwhile boss, a Republican through and through, once opined that Clinton was the most conservative president since Eisenhower. I think there's a pretty good objective case to be made for that. For the record though, I'm not necessarily suggesting a relevant link between Bill and Hillary. I'm confident that she'll be our next president, but at least at this point, I have no idea what her presidency will look like.
I think it would look communistic. Hillary studied at the alter of Sal Alinskie. She did her thesis on his ideas. She is a do nothing person deep down, just look at her time in the senate and State department, she did nothing.
 
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