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Biden inflation. Build Back Poorer

middleview

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Sure it is. When is the threshold for declaring one? When was one declared? And in the time preceding the declaration how many cases were there in the United states?
I am pretty sure I had covid in the last week of November 2019 after coming home from Kauai. A migraine class headache for two solid weeks, cough so violent I had to go to a chiropractor because I threw my back out...Lasted easily for three weeks and exhausted till well after Christmas. Seems like my whole family had pretty much the same symptoms. Never got tested though because nobody heard of covid until late January.
 

Dawg

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I am pretty sure I had covid in the last week of November 2019 after coming home from Kauai. A migraine class headache for two solid weeks, cough so violent I had to go to a chiropractor because I threw my back out...Lasted easily for three weeks and exhausted till well after Christmas. Seems like my whole family had pretty much the same symptoms. Never got tested though because nobody heard of covid until late January.
You were in Kauai and posting here every day while there!

So, you were that sick and didn't go to a doctor!!
 

Dawg

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PhilFish

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I am pretty sure I had covid in the last week of November 2019 after coming home from Kauai. A migraine class headache for two solid weeks, cough so violent I had to go to a chiropractor because I threw my back out...Lasted easily for three weeks and exhausted till well after Christmas. Seems like my whole family had pretty much the same symptoms. Never got tested though because nobody heard of covid until late January.
Yes. Me too. And several I work with. Though who knows

How about my questions?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
All lies...

From now on you get as good as you give.

One example...We lost 750,000 jobs in December 2008 alone. Hardly a f*king mild recession.

Unemployment dropped from a Bush recession worst of 10% to 4.5% when Trump took office. You claim it was because millions of workers dropped out.

The national debt on Sept 30th, 2009 was 12 trillion....on Sept 30th 2017 when Trump's budget kicked in was 20 trillion. On Sept 30th, 2021 it was $28t...


Nope. 80 million voted for Trump. 30 million LEGAL voters voted for Joe. And copy machines and fraud gave Joe an office he couldn't earn legally at the ballot box

Prove it. You and I both know that is a lie.


Here are the stats on the civilian labor force. The recession of 2007/2010 dropped the rate from 66% to a low of 62.5%. Before the pandemic hit it was at 63.5%. That was Trump's best employment number.


That would show the total number of individuals of working age who are employed.

As of September 2020 there were 147,795,000 people over the age of 16 employed.

As of sept 2011 it was 139,869,000. In 2016 it was 151,436,000...

One example...We lost 750,000 jobs in December 2008 alone. Hardly a f*king mild recession.

You mean directly after the election of the most openly socialist POTUS in US history? That December 2008? Economies (businesses) don't make decisions while looking in the rear view mirror, Suggesting that the layoffs were because of the guy who was heading out the door simply renders you unserious on the subject of economics.
 

middleview

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One example...We lost 750,000 jobs in December 2008 alone. Hardly a f*king mild recession.

You mean directly after the election of the most openly socialist POTUS in US history? That December 2008? Economies (businesses) don't make decisions while looking in the rear view mirror, Suggesting that the layoffs were because of the guy who was heading out the door simply renders you unserious on the subject of economics.
Yeah...cuz businesses lay off people even when they are busy as hell and profitable because they might not stay busy next month...We were losing a lot of jobs all of 2008. Your credibility for objective thought just went to zero. I own a business. Do you?
 

EatTheRich

President
Darrell howe? Getting a job is an answer. Or would you prefer that everybody sit around doing absolutely nothing and earning absolutely nothing waiting to be utterly bailed out by the government?

And it absolutely is an answer to the social problem. A productive society lifts all boats. Doesn't it? More money to give out more money to subsidize people in need more money for health care more money for infrastructure more money for the government...

There's plenty of elasticity in the job market. The in elasticity is with those reluctant to do anything at all. Instead waiting to be bailed out.
Absolutely the more people employed, the more production. Which is why the social system of places like Vietnam which lead to so much lower unemployment are preferable. And prove that fewer people work not because of the working class but because of the way society is set up by the rulers.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
There was no emergency Trump was responding to when he cut taxes. He did it for votes. That, all by itself, doubled the deficit.

You say Trump had nothing at the start of the pandemic? Could that be due to the fact that he disbanded the pandemic response team, letting some of the team go and moving the rest into other functions, like WMD proliferation?

If he took office without enough PPE, he had from 2017 to 2020 to fix it...did he? Trump should have acquired supplies and issued the supplies according to need. That would have kept prices lower than having 50 states and endless numbers of hospitals buying up all they could.

No, that isn't the only comment he made...but most of what he did say was counter productive. We only have one person with Covid...oh, we only have 15 people with the infection...he minimized it up until June.
LOL! You don't need an "emergency" to cut taxes - you cut taxes because the government is too big and needs to go on a diet.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yeah...cuz businesses lay off people even when they are busy as hell and profitable because they might not stay busy next month...We were losing a lot of jobs all of 2008. Your credibility for objective thought just went to zero. I own a business. Do you?
I'm in the final stages of buying one, so almost. But which one of us graduated summa cum laude with a degree in economics? If you are running your business based on what happened last year, you aren't running it right.
 

middleview

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I'm in the final stages of buying one, so almost. But which one of us graduated summa cum laude with a degree in economics? If you are running your business based on what happened last year, you aren't running it right.
So you've never run a business, have no experience in running a business, but you did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

While a lot of restaurants failed we have doubled our revenue and profits...but you think we aren't running it right. We saw the impact of the pandemic and expanded our delivery options dramatically. We did not replace employees who left because the school closed down for the year....a large part of our business was the college and a number of our employees were students who went home.
We gradually raised our prices and improved our equipment and processes.

You think business owners lay off employees based on elections...we do not. We lay off people when we absolutely have to. That means when we are down to losing money because our revenue and profits have dropped a lot....

You clearly didn't learn shit in your economics classes.
 

middleview

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LOL! You don't need an "emergency" to cut taxes - you cut taxes because the government is too big and needs to go on a diet.
WTF! Trump's tax cut did not make the government go on a diet. Instead the government got larger and spending went up.

If you want to borrow just to buy votes with a tax cut, there is a problem. Borrowing to invest where there is every expectation that the investment will improve revenue or cut costs is a good idea....that isn't what Reagan, "W" or Trump did.
 

middleview

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Supporting Member
I'm in the final stages of buying one, so almost. But which one of us graduated summa cum laude with a degree in economics? If you are running your business based on what happened last year, you aren't running it right.
Here is some advice. Show some loyalty to your employees. Do not resort to layoffs as a cure to counter less business than you wanted or even a negative cash flow. We did everything we could for our people. Sometimes they didn't deserve it and some of those people were fired if they didn't perform....the ones who stuck it out were those who saw that we were on the same side.

One guy just got a $1,000 bonus because he showed up for work every single day of the pandemic. Another asked for a loan because his wife got laid off. We bumped his pay because he deserved it and we covered his rent for a month to get him back on track.

Owning the business is more than just making a buck. It is an opportunity for you to do a lot of good for your employees, your community and yourself.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So you've never run a business, have no experience in running a business, but you did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

While a lot of restaurants failed we have doubled our revenue and profits...but you think we aren't running it right. We saw the impact of the pandemic and expanded our delivery options dramatically. We did not replace employees who left because the school closed down for the year....a large part of our business was the college and a number of our employees were students who went home.
We gradually raised our prices and improved our equipment and processes.

You think business owners lay off employees based on elections...we do not. We lay off people when we absolutely have to. That means when we are down to losing money because our revenue and profits have dropped a lot....

You clearly didn't learn shit in your economics classes.
I have 45 years of business management experience, what did you do all your life? Which one of us is "playing entrepreneur" here?

You are selling prepared food. Your input costs are skyrocketing. How many $20 hamburgers do you think you are going to sell to those students next year?

Restaurant industry in worse shape today than three months ago, according to survey :: WRAL.com

Best of luck to you.

I'm buying an agriculture supply business, because food inflation is going to have everyone and their brother planting gardens in every open green space. Not to mention the long term drought out west reinvigorating PA farmers.

High food prices are here to stay | The Economist

It has increased sales by 10% each of the last three years (all through the pandemic) and is up way more than 10% this year over last.

I'll take slow and steady growth with brightening long term prospects over your big snap back from depressed pandemic numbers that is about to evaporate as people start (growing and) making their own meals so they can afford to heat their homes and drive their cars. But then, I'm a business man and you, well, aren't...
 
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