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Biden & Ukraine’s Poroshenko Phone Call Leaked; $1 Billion “Quid Pro Quo” Discussed

Bugsy McGurk

President
So, if Trump thinks there is corruption in a foreign government, you approve of him offering loan guarantees to have specific actions HE feels would help, acted on. Got it.
You should know that your constant need to argue with strawmen means that you just can’t make an honest case.

Carry on.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
You should know that your constant need to argue with strawmen means that you just can’t make an honest case.

Carry on.
edited You cheer about Biden offering a quid pro quo to 'fight corruption', then utterly refuse to say you'd cheer Trump doing the exact same thing.

Ergo, if YOUR guys does somethign, it's good, if Trump does the EXACT SAME THING, it is evil.
 
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PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The US was guaranteeing a billion dollar loan....that is what Biden had to do with it.

The diamond merchant was found dead in his car. Shokin went after anyone who even looked twice at Korniyets .

Korniyets was released on bail, while Shokin retaliated against the officials involved in the case. “He wanted to destroy anybody connected with that effort,” Kent testified. “He eventually managed to force out everybody associated with that, including the deputy head of the security service, the intel service, who had provided the wiretapping coverage.”

Shokin’s aggressive defense of his ex-driver was evidence for U.S. officials and reform-minded Ukrainians that he was a profiteer. As a result, Geoffrey Pyatt, then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, asked Biden to demand that then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko fire Shokin.

How did Biden manipulate Privatbank? As I understand it the bank was being nationalized because of the corruption. There was a reorganization plan meant to save the bank. Biden warned the Ukrainians that Trump might not sign on to support the plan...
its big news in ukraine... high corruption.... in that the then president of ukraine is recorded acknowledging the manipulation and change of ukrainian law to accommodate the US VP's request...

a big deal.

 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
its big news in ukraine... high corruption.... in that the then president of ukraine is recorded acknowledging the manipulation and change of ukrainian law to accommodate the US VP's request...

a big deal.

at 20:00.... the commentator is saying it is a national scandal..that poroshenko manipulated the law to remove shokin and install a new pros general...one AGREEABLE to Biden....BEFORE....shokin could expose the tranches of boney passing through from a Ukr bank.to Morgan Stanley.... BEFORE.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
its big news in ukraine... high corruption.... in that the then president of ukraine is recorded acknowledging the manipulation and change of ukrainian law to accommodate the US VP's request...

a big deal.

if Trump had done that, they'd be all over his pasty yellow ass.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Ok, So I fully understand here. The right wingers are admitting Trump did a quid pro quo since they are crying Biden did a quid pro quo and it is the same offense - so whatever you dod to Biden jailtime wise, Trump get the same sentence or is that just different ;)
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Hey tomorrow is Friday - gonna see someone get fired off the King Trump reality show this week - I vote the campaign manager Pa$$cale
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
if Trump had done that, they'd be all over his pasty yellow ass.
you understand the flow?

under the guise of improving corruption... they pushed out the prosecutor who delineated payments from burisma, to morgan stanley...through a corrupt banking system helmed by a guy who is believed to have stolen IMF funds, and who openly fought against nationalization.... all of which had to be done pronto... because???

well... maybe look to see whose account was at Morgan stanley..

Poroshenko changed the LAW of ukraine...for Biden. he tossed Shokin....per Bidens request..
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
edited You cheer about Biden offering a quid pro quo to 'fight corruption', then utterly refuse to say you'd cheer Trump doing the exact same thing.

Ergo, if YOUR guys does somethign, it's good, if Trump does the EXACT SAME THING, it is evil.
Try to focus on what people say. Challenge yourself.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
edited You cheer about Biden offering a quid pro quo to 'fight corruption', then utterly refuse to say you'd cheer Trump doing the exact same thing.

Ergo, if YOUR guys does somethign, it's good, if Trump does the EXACT SAME THING, it is evil.
Well there we have it, a right winger admitting King Trump committed perjury and lied about the quid pro quo ! ding ding ding banner day !
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
you understand the flow?

under the guise of improving corruption... they pushed out the prosecutor who delineated payments from burisma, to morgan stanley...through a corrupt banking system helmed by a guy who is believed to have stolen IMF funds, and who openly fought against nationalization.... all of which had to be done pronto... because???

well... maybe look to see whose account was at Morgan stanley..

Poroshenko changed the LAW of ukraine...for Biden. he tossed Shokin....per Bidens request..
but it was to fight corruption, so no problem. That's what the left here is saying, anyway. Those of us with a firm grasp on reality know better.
 
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