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Compromise: Keep the Electoral College and get rid of winner take all in awarding electoral votes.

EatTheRich

President
huh? forced collectivization to fuel industrialization and the stripping of resources...progress? the majority lived like and remained peasants..
Sure. Of course Stalin and his fellow counterrevolutionaries who were his successors used the brutal methods typical of capitalism to effect that progress, but in effect it was no different from what was done in, say, the U.S. where ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans was used to clear primitive economies away making capitalist progress (such as the transcontinental railroad) possible.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Sure. Of course Stalin and his fellow counterrevolutionaries who were his successors used the brutal methods typical of capitalism to effect that progress, but in effect it was no different from what was done in, say, the U.S. where ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans was used to clear primitive economies away making capitalist progress (such as the transcontinental railroad) possible.
well, you're spot on, other than the typical of capitalism... they brutally murdered millions and took the grain by force. if you hid the grain, they killed you, your kids, your family... people boiled shoe leather, children ate rocks to fill their stomachs, etc...
 

EatTheRich

President
Massive famine in the Ukraine...Massive industrialization to build tanks and planes...Massive shortages of consumer products, including food....

Notice that the USSR never had a problem with illegal immigration and had to build militarized borders to prevent emigration. I wonder why.
And why did they need those tanks and planes? Because they were constantly the targets for capitalist invasion, because those countries hated the USSR for overthrowing capitalism. The famine in the Ukraine was a result of the bureaucratic methods of Stalin which put short-term convenience of the state ahead of the general welfare and not the result of anything inherent in the mode of production; in fact, Trotsky at the time had proposals for industrialization on a different scale that did not depend on the super exploitation of the peasants. You think the USSR would have had more consumer products if they hadn’t created factories that produced tractors, etc., but simply let the market do what it had been doing for hundreds of years while the workers and peasants lived in squalor?
 

EatTheRich

President
well, you're spot on, other than the typical of capitalism... they brutally murdered millions and took the grain by force. if you hid the grain, they killed you, your kids, your family... people boiled shoe leather, children ate rocks to fill their stomachs, etc...
The U.S. did exactly the same thing to the Confederate states at the end of the Civil War. Cromwell and Peel did the same thing in Ireland. How is that not a method typical of capitalism?

Remember that as Stalin rejected Lenin’s politics as unsuitable to his goal of establishing a personal dictatorship, he had to rely on other methods given the constraint of preserving the socialist property system that was his social base … and the other methods he turned to were a return to the methods of capital-accumulation pioneered by his political forebears Cromwell, Ivan the Terrible, and other capitalist leaders.
 

EatTheRich

President
not emigrants...That would be people fleeing those countries.
The USSR took in immigrants from China, Afghanistan, E. Europe, India, Africa, Cuba, the U.S., etc.
Cuba had immigrants from Haiti, the U.S., France, the USSR, Czechoslovakia, etc.
Vietnam had immigrants from Cambodia and would have had many immigrants from Laos if the government hadn’t killed any Laotian caught crossing the border.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The USSR took in immigrants from China, Afghanistan, E. Europe, India, Africa, Cuba, the U.S., etc.
Cuba had immigrants from Haiti, the U.S., France, the USSR, Czechoslovakia, etc.
Vietnam had immigrants from Cambodia and would have had many immigrants from Laos if the government hadn’t killed any Laotian caught crossing the border.
Sure thing...how many? The US took in thousands fleeing from Vietnam, Cuba...South Korea had hundreds of thousands of North Koreans flee the communist government there.
 

EatTheRich

President
Sure thing...how many? The US took in thousands fleeing from Vietnam, Cuba...South Korea had hundreds of thousands of North Koreans flee the communist government there.
Looks like about 180,000 to the USSR (mostly from the U.S.)
140,000 to Cuba (mostly from the U.S.)
200,000 to Vietnam (mostly from China following the restoration of capitalism there
400,000 to S. Korea (mostly from N. Korea)
25,000 to N. Korea (mostly from S. Korea)
 
And GW Bush and Trump both lost the popular vote....

Third World Party? Dude....the only people weeping are those who expected Trump to cling to power on Jan 6th, think that the 600 or so who now face criminal charges were patriots, or the people who prayed for God to put Trump back in power in August..(Mike Lindell this means you).
What Part of the United States Don't You Understand?

You race traitors have to win a majority, not a plurality to take over through a PC PV. Otherwise, the election goes into the House, where each state gets one vote. The GOP wins that one in a landslide, way beyond a pipsqueak plurality.
 
And the popular vote has NEVER elected a president in the United States.
Statist Snakes on a Plane

Their plurality passion is no more valid than the fact that Great America usually wins an actual majority of the states. We should screech and scream about that if their tantrums had any reasoning behind them.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
What Part of the United States Don't You Understand?

You race traitors have to win a majority, not a plurality to take over through a PC PV. Otherwise, the election goes into the House, where each state gets one vote. The GOP wins that one in a landslide, way beyond a pipsqueak plurality.
Gee, why don't we just do away with presidential elections all together?

How in hell you think an election in the house is in any way in line with what our founders set up....but feel free to set up your own version of democracy.

What part of one person one vote don't you understand?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Looks like about 180,000 to the USSR (mostly from the U.S.)
140,000 to Cuba (mostly from the U.S.)
200,000 to Vietnam (mostly from China following the restoration of capitalism there
400,000 to S. Korea (mostly from N. Korea)
25,000 to N. Korea (mostly from S. Korea)
What is your source for that information? Especially the 140,000 who supposedly emigrated to Cuba from the USA.
 

EatTheRich

President
Statist Snakes on a Plane

Their plurality passion is no more valid than the fact that Great America usually wins an actual majority of the states. We should screech and scream about that if their tantrums had any reasoning behind them.
The preferences of states is of concern only to statists who promote them at the expense of the preferences of people. The last president to win without a majority of the popular vote was Trump and the last Democrat to win without a majority of the popular vote was Clinton.
 
The preferences of states is of concern only to statists who promote them at the expense of the preferences of people. The last president to win without a majority of the popular vote was Trump and the last Democrat to win without a majority of the popular vote was Clinton.
The Frontier Spirit Is Not Dead Even in Our Decadent Times

Who was the last to win without a majority of the states? The extra electors were given to the less populated states because the majority of Americans wanted the option of moving to them.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
One State, One Vote Is in the Constitution As the Last Appeal

If you can change your country's name to the United Urban Cesspools of America, then your plurality fetish would make sense.
So let's do all presidential elections in the house...who needs democratic elections for president? Actually...why not just have each president pick his successor...
Works so well for North Korea.
 
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