Contemplating Political Leaders...

[Zam-Zam]

The reason the rising capitalist class bolstered the absolutist monarchy was to fight their common enemy, the ultra-oppressive petty nobility. As with any communist leader, his power meant more freedom for more people than the power of their reactionary enemies.

Communism is, and always has been, incompatible with individual liberty.

I prefer freedom...I imagine most do.

 

[EatTheRich]

Communism is, and always has been, incompatible with individual liberty.

I prefer freedom...I imagine most do.

Capitalist freedom=freedom to die young, freedom to work in a sweatshop …

 

[Zam-Zam]

Capitalist freedom=freedom to die young, freedom to work in a sweatshop …

Says the communist.

Which sweatshop do you work in?

 

[EatTheRich]

Says the communist.

Which sweatshop do you work in?

None, thanks to the communist resistance which has pushed the capitalist regime back.

 

[Zam-Zam]

None, thanks to the communist resistance which has pushed the capitalist regime back.

Here in this capitalist country? I thought 100% of employment was through the sweatshops...I guess your analogy is flawed.

Perhaps the sweatshops are more likely to be found in communist China.

 

[EatTheRich]

Here in this capitalist country? I thought 100% of employment was through the sweatshops...I guess your analogy is flawed.

Perhaps the sweatshops are more likely to be found in communist China.

China has become capitalist (with pockets of vestigial socialism) as the working class has been pushed back by the exploiters.

100% of modern (non-patriarchal) employment was through the sweatshops until the class-struggle union leadership started pushing back.

 

[Zam-Zam]

China has become capitalist (with pockets of vestigial socialism) as the working class has been pushed back by the exploiters.

100% of modern (non-patriarchal) employment was through the sweatshops until the class-struggle union leadership started pushing back.

Life is better among the capitalists.

For all the rhetoric, you know that's true. That's why you stay.

Talk is cheap - The proof is in the pudding.

 

[EatTheRich]

Life is better among the capitalists.

For all the rhetoric, you know that's true. That's why you stay.

Talk is cheap - The proof is in the pudding.

Life is better for a privileged minority in the capitalist countries, whose wealth is made possible by the immiseration of countless other capitalist countries. The socialist countries have had 100 years to start building what took the capitalist countries 500 years, and in some ways they have not quite caught up.

Bottom line: people live longer, on average, in the socialist world.

 

[trapdoor]

Life is better for a privileged minority in the capitalist countries, whose wealth is made possible by the immiseration of countless other capitalist countries. The socialist countries have had 100 years to start building what took the capitalist countries 500 years, and in some ways they have not quite caught up.

Bottom line: people live longer, on average, in the socialist world.

"“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. " Winston Churchill

Having a life in a communist state isn't improved by lengthening it -- if I even thought that happened.

 

[saltydancin]

Life is better among the capitalists.

For all the rhetoric, you know that's true. That's why you stay.

Talk is cheap - The proof is in the pudding.

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[middleview]

None, thanks to the communist resistance which has pushed the capitalist regime back.

I'm 70. Never worked in a sweatshop. Never belonged to a union. I wonder how I was so lucky.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Life is better for a privileged minority in the capitalist countries, whose wealth is made possible by the immiseration of countless other capitalist countries. The socialist countries have had 100 years to start building what took the capitalist countries 500 years, and in some ways they have not quite caught up.

Bottom line: people live longer, on average, in the socialist world.

Bottom line: You make up propaganda and back it up with nothing other than just saying it.

And your actions prove that you don't believe what you say, so why should anyone else?

 

[EatTheRich]

I'm 70. Never worked in a sweatshop. Never belonged to a union. I wonder how I was so lucky.

You were born near the zenith of the communist movement in the U.S. and worldwide, fresh from the victory over Hitler and the Chinese revolution, as the Koreans were defeating the Americans and the Soviets were getting the H-bomb. A time when 1/3 of jobs in the U.S. were unionized and avowed Marxists controlled major unions. A time shortly before the Cuban revolution, the victory in Vietnam, and the triumph of anti racist rebels would shortly give labor more power. The working conditions of all workers, union or not, improved as a result.

 

[EatTheRich]

Bottom line: You make up propaganda and back it up with nothing other than just saying it.

And your actions prove that you don't believe what you say, so why should anyone else?

What have I said that you dispute? Capitalism triumphant goes back to the days of the Dutch Revolution. Socialism goes back only to the time of the Russian revolution.

Life expectancy in Cuba is 78.9 years, in Vietnam 75.5 years, and in North Korea 72.5 years. An average weighted according to relative population therefore puts life expectancy in the socialist countries of 75.9. Life expectancy worldwide is 72.8 years, from which it can be inferred that life expectancy for the 98.2% of the world living in capitalist countries is 72.7 years.

That it is a minority for whom life is better in the capitalist countries is clear from the extreme poverty and from the very existence of socialism and the willingness of those who have seen it in action to fight for it. And the mechanism by which the creditor nations extract wealth from the debtor nations and use the resultant superprofits to provide crumbs from the table to privileged working-class layers should be too well-known to need support.

 

[Zam-Zam]

What have I said that you dispute? Capitalism triumphant goes back to the days of the Dutch Revolution. Socialism goes back only to the time of the Russian revolution.

Life expectancy in Cuba is 78.9 years, in Vietnam 75.5 years, and in North Korea 72.5 years. An average weighted according to relative population therefore puts life expectancy in the socialist countries of 75.9. Life expectancy worldwide is 72.8 years, from which it can be inferred that life expectancy for the 98.2% of the world living in capitalist countries is 72.7 years.

That it is a minority for whom life is better in the capitalist countries is clear from the extreme poverty and from the very existence of socialism and the willingness of those who have seen it in action to fight for it. And the mechanism by which the creditor nations extract wealth from the debtor nations and use the resultant superprofits to provide crumbs from the table to privileged working-class layers should be too well-known to need support.

I dispute that you believe communism is a good idea.

Since you refuse to live anywhere but in a capitalist system, your actions show you don't believe your own propaganda.

That being the case, neither should anyone else.

 

[middleview]

You were born near the zenith of the communist movement in the U.S. and worldwide, fresh from the victory over Hitler and the Chinese revolution, as the Koreans were defeating the Americans and the Soviets were getting the H-bomb. A time when 1/3 of jobs in the U.S. were unionized and avowed Marxists controlled major unions. A time shortly before the Cuban revolution, the victory in Vietnam, and the triumph of anti racist rebels would shortly give labor more power. The working conditions of all workers, union or not, improved as a result.

I got training in needed skills. Every year I improved my resume and income. That was my own doing...not any credit to the socialist crap you posted.

 

[middleview]

What have I said that you dispute? Capitalism triumphant goes back to the days of the Dutch Revolution. Socialism goes back only to the time of the Russian revolution.

Life expectancy in Cuba is 78.9 years, in Vietnam 75.5 years, and in North Korea 72.5 years. An average weighted according to relative population therefore puts life expectancy in the socialist countries of 75.9. Life expectancy worldwide is 72.8 years, from which it can be inferred that life expectancy for the 98.2% of the world living in capitalist countries is 72.7 years.

That it is a minority for whom life is better in the capitalist countries is clear from the extreme poverty and from the very existence of socialism and the willingness of those who have seen it in action to fight for it. And the mechanism by which the creditor nations extract wealth from the debtor nations and use the resultant superprofits to provide crumbs from the table to privileged working-class layers should be too well-known to need support.

Really? How many socialist countries are there? Why do people risk their lives to come here and not the socialist paradises?

 

[EatTheRich]

I dispute that you believe communism is a good idea.

Since you refuse to live anywhere but in a capitalist system, your actions show you don't believe your own propaganda.

That being the case, neither should anyone else.

Do you apply the same logic to the American Revolution? “Unless you choose to live with Washington’s army at Valley Forge, you must believe that the British are right and the Americans wrong, and that should be the opinion of everyone else as well.”

 

[EatTheRich]

Really? How many socialist countries are there? Why do people risk their lives to come here and not the socialist paradises?

I’d say the 3 I mentioned. People risk their lives to come to the U.S. because of the hoarded wealth and the democratic constitution. People also risk their lives to go to Cuba, though that country is much poorer, to escape political persecution and improve their standard of living compared to life in Haiti.

 

[EatTheRich]

I got training in needed skills. Every year I improved my resume and income. That was my own doing...not any credit to the socialist crap you posted.

You were upwardly mobile at a time when a generation of Americans were, thanks to access to education, jobs, and opportunity due to the strength of the radical left and the position of the U.S. following victory in WWII. Today that is much less the case.