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Contemplating Political Leaders...

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
A previous thread had a list of one's favorite political leaders. That list brought much discussion, but I didn't see any other lists or mentions of political leaders others thought were important...or favorite, as it were.

Mine falls along these lines...

Martin Luther
Alexander Hamilton
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass
Harriet Tubman
John Muir
Theodore Roosevelt
JFK
Martin Luther King, Jr.
 

jammer

Mayor
I agree with...

Martin Luther
Thomas Jefferson
Lincoln
Frederick Douglas
Barbara Jordan (damn that lady could speak!)
Shirley Chisholm
TR and FDR
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Martin Luther King Jr.
Paul Wellstone

There are many others, but that's a good list.
 

fairsheet

Senator
At the top of my list are Sen. Wayne L. Morse (D,OR) and Gov. Daniel J. Evans (R, WA). And as to the latter, it's Gov. D.J. Evans (R, WA), not Sen. D.J. Evans (R, WA).
 

gabriel

Governor
A previous thread had a list of one's favorite political leaders. That list brought much discussion, but I didn't see any other lists or mentions of political leaders others thought were important...or favorite, as it were.

Mine falls along these lines...

Martin Luther
Alexander Hamilton
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass
Harriet Tubman
John Muir
Theodore Roosevelt
JFK
Martin Luther King, Jr.
kootenae appee
crazy horse
nelson mandela
dalai lama
crowfoot
Louis riel
red cloud
peter lougheed
lester pearson
Vaclav havel
 

fairsheet

Senator
kootenae appee
crazy horse
nelson mandela
dalai lama
crowfoot
Louis riel
red cloud
peter lougheed
lester pearson
Vaclav havel
Along with Nelson Mandela, I'd add his "partner in crime", Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Their advocacy for "truth and reconciliation" over "revenge and retribution" in the South Africa instance, was truly extraordinary.
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
kootenae appee
crazy horse
nelson mandela
dalai lama
crowfoot
Louis riel
red cloud
peter lougheed
lester pearson
Vaclav havel
I'm certainly biased towards the west. Part of that is knowledge...part is simple bias.

Havel and Mandela are excellent names...

You have some I'm entirely unfamiliar with...Alberta's top dog didn't get much play here in the DC/Baltimore news reports...
 

trapdoor

Governor
Marcus Aurelius
George Washington
Otto von Bismarck
Thathanjke Iyotake (Sitting Bull)
Theodore Roosevelt
Herbert Hoover
Harry S Truman
Lech Walesa
Ronald Reagan
Margaret Thatcher
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
Gandhi should be on everyones list, but yours is pretty good
It's like the All Star game selections in any sport...too much talent.

I also contemplated Lech Walesa...Now I'm at a Baker's Dozen plus one...
 

EatTheRich

President
(My most admired) state leaders of antiquity:

1. Julius Caesar (Dictator of Rome)
2. Marc Antony (Consul of Rome)
3. Marius (Consul of Rome)
4. Tiberius Gracchus (Tribune of Rome)
5. Gaius Gracchus (Tribune of Rome)
6. Qin Shi Huang (Emperor of China)
7. Pisistratus (Tyrant of Athens)
8. Cleisthenes (Tyrant of Athens)
9. Cypselus (Tyrant of Corinth)
10. Periander (Tyrant of Corinth)

State leaders of medieval/early modern times:

1. Girolamo Savonarola (Regent of Florence)
2. Abu Bakr ibn Umar (Amir of the Almoravids)
3. Elizabeth I (Queen of England)
4. Henry VIII (King of England)
5. Henry VII (King of England)
6. William the Silent (King of the Netherlands)
7. Louis XIII (King of France)
8. Henry IV (King of France)
9. Edward VI (King of England)
10. James I (King of England)

Pre-socialist fully modern state leaders:

1. Eulalio Gutierrez (President of Mexico)
2. Jacques Billaud-Varenne (President of France)
3. Maximilien Robespierre (President of France)
4. Jacques-Louis David (President of France)
5. Louis Antoine de Saint-Just (President of France)
6. Georges Couthon (President of France)
7. Georges Danton (President of France)
8. Abraham Lincoln (President of the U.S.)
9. Ulysses S. Grant (President of the U.S.)
10. John Adams (President of the U.S.)

Socialist state leaders:

1. V.I. Lenin (Premier of Russia)
2. Fidel Castro (President of Cuba)
3. Raul Castro (President of Cuba)
4. Alexander Dubcek (Chairman of Czechoslovakia)
5. Imre Nagy (Prime Minister of Hungary)
6. Ahmed Ben Bella (President of Algeria)
7. Ho Chi Minh (President of Vietnam)
8. Thomas Sankara (President of Burkina Faso)
9. Maurice Bishop (Prime Minister of Grenada)
10. Bela Kun (Foreign Minister of Hungary)

Capitalist leaders of the socialist epoch:

1. Nelson Mandela (Prime Minister of South Africa)
2. Mathieu Kerekou (President of Benin)
3. Mengistu Haile Mariam (President of Ethiopia)
4. Jacobo Arbenz (President of Guatemala)
5. Juan Bosch (President of the Dominican Republic)
6. Carlos Andres Perez (President of Venezuela)
7. Lazaro Cardenas (President of Mexico)
8. Alvaro Obregon (President of Mexico)
9. Hugo Chavez (President of Venezuela)
10. Kwame Nkrumah (President of Ghana)
 
A previous thread had a list of one's favorite political leaders. That list brought much discussion, but I didn't see any other lists or mentions of political leaders others thought were important...or favorite, as it were.

Mine falls along these lines...

Martin Luther
Alexander Hamilton
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass
Harriet Tubman
John Muir
Theodore Roosevelt
JFK
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Politicians virtue is dependent on how many appearances they made on The Apprentice.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
(My most admired) state leaders of antiquity:

1. Julius Caesar (Dictator of Rome)
2. Marc Antony (Consul of Rome)
3. Marius (Consul of Rome)
4. Tiberius Gracchus (Tribune of Rome)
5. Gaius Gracchus (Tribune of Rome)
6. Qin Shi Huang (Emperor of China)
7. Pisistratus (Tyrant of Athens)
8. Cleisthenes (Tyrant of Athens)
9. Cypselus (Tyrant of Corinth)
10. Periander (Tyrant of Corinth)

State leaders of medieval/early modern times:

1. Girolamo Savonarola (Regent of Florence)
2. Abu Bakr ibn Umar (Amir of the Almoravids)
3. Elizabeth I (Queen of England)
4. Henry VIII (King of England)
5. Henry VII (King of England)
6. William the Silent (King of the Netherlands)
7. Louis XIII (King of France)
8. Henry IV (King of France)
9. Edward VI (King of England)
10. James I (King of England)

Pre-socialist fully modern state leaders:

1. Eulalio Gutierrez (President of Mexico)
2. Jacques Billaud-Varenne (President of France)
3. Maximilien Robespierre (President of France)
4. Jacques-Louis David (President of France)
5. Louis Antoine de Saint-Just (President of France)
6. Georges Couthon (President of France)
7. Georges Danton (President of France)
8. Abraham Lincoln (President of the U.S.)
9. Ulysses S. Grant (President of the U.S.)
10. John Adams (President of the U.S.)

Socialist state leaders:

1. V.I. Lenin (Premier of Russia)
2. Fidel Castro (President of Cuba)
3. Raul Castro (President of Cuba)
4. Alexander Dubcek (Chairman of Czechoslovakia)
5. Imre Nagy (Prime Minister of Hungary)
6. Ahmed Ben Bella (President of Algeria)
7. Ho Chi Minh (President of Vietnam)
8. Thomas Sankara (President of Burkina Faso)
9. Maurice Bishop (Prime Minister of Grenada)
10. Bela Kun (Foreign Minister of Hungary)

Capitalist leaders of the socialist epoch:

1. Nelson Mandela (Prime Minister of South Africa)
2. Mathieu Kerekou (President of Benin)
3. Mengistu Haile Mariam (President of Ethiopia)
4. Jacobo Arbenz (President of Guatemala)
5. Juan Bosch (President of the Dominican Republic)
6. Carlos Andres Perez (President of Venezuela)
7. Lazaro Cardenas (President of Mexico)
8. Alvaro Obregon (President of Mexico)
9. Hugo Chavez (President of Venezuela)
10. Kwame Nkrumah (President of Ghana)

Henry VIII, I just finished reading a book about the Tudors.

And anyone so deluded as to admire the murderous and barbarous Henry clearly has not read it.
 

EatTheRich

President
Henry VIII, I just finished reading a book about the Tudors.

And anyone so deluded as to admire the murderous and barbarous Henry clearly has not read it.
No, I don’t think I have. But what I find admirable about him is that he fought a political battle against the church and the nobility, in alliance with the revolutionary bourgeoisie. In the process he launched a number of progressive reforms (such as the break with official Catholicism) that put England on a path to modernity.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
No, I don’t think I have. But what I find admirable about him is that he fought a political battle against the church and the nobility, in alliance with the revolutionary bourgeoisie. In the process he launched a number of progressive reforms (such as the break with official Catholicism) that put England on a path to modernity.
No. What he did do was slaughter a great many of his fellow Englishmen, bankrupted the nation while spending lavishly on himself, involved England in costly, needless, and ultimately fruitless foreign intrigues, and generally set the nation back a century or two. This was the essence of his reform.

When he died, England rejoiced. He was the British Ivan the Terrible.

Was Henry VIII the Worst Monarch of All Time?
In a recent British poll, a group of historical writers chose Henry VIII as the worst monarch in history.

Was Henry VIII the Worst Monarch of All Time? - HISTORY

HENRY VIII: DARK REIGN OF A DESPOT

HENRY VIII: DARK REIGN OF A DESPOT – Chicago Tribune

Why was Henry VIII a Tyrant?

Why was Henry VIII a Tyrant? - The Anne Boleyn Files
 
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EatTheRich

President
No. What he did do was slaughter a great many of his fellow Englishmen, bankrupted the nation while spending lavishly on himself, involved England in costly, needless, and ultimately fruitless foreign intrigues, and generally set the nation back a century or two. This was the essence of his reform.

When he died, England rejoiced. He was the British Ivan the Terrible.

Was Henry VIII the Worst Monarch of All Time?
In a recent British poll, a group of historical writers chose Henry VIII as the worst monarch in history.

Was Henry VIII the Worst Monarch of All Time? - HISTORY

HENRY VIII: DARK REIGN OF A DESPOT

HENRY VIII: DARK REIGN OF A DESPOT – Chicago Tribune

Why was Henry VIII a Tyrant?

Why was Henry VIII a Tyrant? - The Anne Boleyn Files
He was, like Ivan the Terrible, a capitalist modernizing reformer, wrenching his country out of the past and into the modern (capitalist) age. And he did it with considerably less brutality than his Russian counterpart.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
He was, like Ivan the Terrible, a capitalist modernizing reformer, wrenching his country out of the past and into the modern (capitalist) age. And he did it with considerably less brutality than his Russian counterpart.
He was a despot, like all communist leaders.
 

EatTheRich

President
He was a despot, like all communist leaders.
The reason the rising capitalist class bolstered the absolutist monarchy was to fight their common enemy, the ultra-oppressive petty nobility. As with any communist leader, his power meant more freedom for more people than the power of their reactionary enemies.
 
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