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Devastating DOJ Report Says Biden ‘Did Not Remember When He Was Vice President’ and ‘When His Son Died’

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Think about what that dishonest hack said…

He said a jury would listen to Biden and conclude that he’s a nice, elderly man who can’t remember things. Why is that even an issue when it comes to making a prosecution decision? If a prosecutor can’t prove a case without the testimony of a defendant, that tells us the prosecutor has no case. Defendants don’t have to testify at all.

Hur’s slimeball makes NO sense.
On page 237 it says Biden offered Clear, forceful testimony.
Isn't that contradictory?

 
Soon as you provide definitive Russian collision proof...
Russia if your listening please hack into Hillary's Email...I recall that.Manafort,Don jr and son in law meeting with a Russian op to find "dirt" on Hillary.Pretty sleazy stuff but trump claims he knew nothing..........................Sure
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Why would I do that if Mueller didn't. I never said there was anything more than circumstantial evidence....like Manafort giving a Russian agent polling data.
Then we don't have to go any further on Biden either do we will take it as a given, having witnessed all the memory lapses and errors, that he is having difficulty with his memory at his advanced age.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Then we don't have to go any further on Biden either do we will take it as a given, having witnessed all the memory lapses and errors, that he is having difficulty with his memory at his advanced age.
Just as we can take it as a given that Trump has ethics problems.
 

EatTheRich

President
Age is a factor, but Joe Biden is a good man.Is he too old???perhaps but considering trump is a crazed white nationalist bent on being a dictator..The choice is easy
Neither would, in a sane world, come close to having the authority to order a nuclear attack. But capitalism's insane death cult imperatives are naturally reflected in the political realm.
 

EatTheRich

President
I hope those who have stated over and over again that Biden‘s mental health is fine will now realize that it is obvious there are indeed issues, and that those cognitive issues have been present for many years and appear to be getting increasingly worse.. This should be a red alert for many in our Country. This special council report is damning.
I fully expect the usual suspects to rush in and try desperately to change the subject to Trump, and continue to make excuses for President Biden.
Our country cannot go four more years with this sympathetic and forgetful man in charge of of our nation. Dear lord…he couldn’t even remember when he was Vice President, or when his son died.
So you are saying that Harris should be made president, through Biden's resignation or 25th Amendment declaration of incapacity, immediately?
 

EatTheRich

President
Trump will waltz into court and claim he was denying access and return of classified docs because he's older now and simply forgot or didn't know he had any in the boxes of stuff in mal. I thought I was referring to personal memorabilia he'll say ...Shrug.
Yeah, except for all the evidence and testimony they have that Trump was purposely and systematically withholding and concealing documents and evidence, and the orders of magnitude larger quantity of documents that Trump wasn't supposed to have.
 

EatTheRich

President
What Obama's mistakes did was knock him down from A GREAT President to a very good President.

The mistakes that Biden has made dealing with the economy, his own party, his appointments (Garland, Yellen Powell, etc) have kncoked him down from a middle of the pack President to a slightly below average President who seems to be falling further.
You are way too generous.

I don't grade on a curve. Lincoln gets a C+ from me. John Adams and Grant, a C. John Quincy Adams and Garfield, a C-. Washington, Van Buren, Andrew Johnson, Arthur, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft, and Eisenhower, a D+. William Henry and Benjamin Harrison, a D. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Carter, and Obama, a D-. The others, an F.
What mistakes?
Of course they are not so much mistakes as betrayals of humanity.

Obama: ordered extrajudicial assassinations, built concentration camps and incarcerated immigrants and dissidents, otherwise restricted immigration and increased scope and use of government surveillance powers and intelligence, expanded war on Afghanistan, including expansion of the war's theater into Pakistan, said before a man's trial that he would be found guilty, started wars on Libya, ISIS, Assad's government in Syria, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and the Lord's Resistance Army, failed to codify abortion rights into law, allied with gun-banners, used homophobia and race baiting for political advantage, broke the rail workers' strike, maintained the UN, NATO, and other imperialist alliances, failed to protect Blacks and other marginalized people from voter suppression, abolish the Senate or electoral college, or otherwise democratize the political system, weaponized the IRS and DOJ quite openly against his political enemies, allied with rogue regimes such as Israel and Pakistan, organized provocative maneuvers against N. Korea including the use of food as a weapon, backed far-right movements such as Falun Gong, depleted supplies that would be needed for Covid without replenishing them, generally let the Republicans and right-wing Democrats make a punching bag out of him, particularly with regard to "Obamacare" which spent a great deal of money to allow much less improved access to health care than a much cheaper plan would have (and which made the situation of a sizable minority worse), allowed extreme concentrations of wealth even as unemployment reached peaks unseen since the Reagan administration, failed to address student loans, credit card debt, medical debt, or homelessness, and bumbled his way through the political fray while watching the right gain power in the U.S. and much of the rest of the world, culminating in the election of Trump.

Biden: broke another rail workers' strike, maintained the UN, NATO, and other imperialist alliances, failed to protect Blacks and other marginalized people from voter suppression, failed to address student loans, credit card debt, medical debt, or homelessness, failed to abolish the Senate or electoral college, or otherwise democratize the political system, failed to codify abortion rights or otherwise prevent or ameliorate the overturn of Roe v. Wade, allied with rogue regimes such as Israel and Pakistan, continued to maintain imperialist alliances such as the UN and NATO, generally let the Republicans and right-wing Democrats make a punching bag out of him, restricted immigration, resumed anti-North Korea military exercises, allowed extreme concentrations of wealth even as inflation reached peaks unseen since the Carter administration, fumbled into nuclear saber-rattling with Russia, and bumbled his way through the political fray while watching the right continue to gain power, likely paving the way for a dictatorship (quite possibly a rightist one) in the U.S. in the near future.
 
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EatTheRich

President
The three biggest mistakes that Obama made were:

1) Assuming that we were in a "post-racial" America. He was unable to understand that the GOP is at it's heart a racist party and it took him far too long to understand that (if he even has to this day).

2) He was too lazy to get his hands dirty in the Obamacare fight. He stayed back to "let the process work itself" instead of kicking ass and jamming a better Obamacare through. He allowed fake Democrats like Ben Nighthorse to give him the Manchin treatment and weaken it. This was a very bad mistake as at the time he had the 60 vote super majority to really get good things done.

3) He refused to jail the banksters that cratered the economy in 2007-2008. These banksters held a gun at the head of the country and said that the country could either bail them out or they'd destroy it. We did have to bail them out. Once that was done Obama should have gone after them and jailed a few of them to serve as an example to the next generation of crooks. He didn't. The banksters rolled all over him and none were punished.

Those were his major mistakes.
1. Obama, who is by no means stupid, was well aware. But his pose of innocence gave him political cover for doing what he did best ... rolling over and giving the Republicans what they wanted. The Democratic Party is at its heart a racist (white-supremacist) party as well. But there is a division of labor between the two parties, and between the bourgeois left and bourgeois right, based on strategic differences within the ruling class.

Racism has its roots in the need of the bourgeoisie to weaken the working class by dividing it. But a section of the ruling class ends up getting duped by its own racist ideology, and at any rate the racist deformation of society by (in this country) white supremacy create inherent profit incentives for racial discrimination. At the same time, the bourgeoisie is itself racially divided, and likewise affected by liberal ideas persisting from the days of the leftist bourgeois revolutions and used to justify the bourgeoisie's leftist maneuvers even now, and even leftist ideas bubbling up from the lower class struggles and making themselves particularly attractive to the bourgeois still discriminated against due to race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, etc. All the same, the entire class tends to close ranks when profits are at stake, with the honorable exceptions doomed by the invisible hand of the market to be forced toward the economic and political margins.

Therefore, while the typical bourgeois has under the modern party system tended to favor the Republicans, the nonwhite and liberal bourgeoisie tend to favor the Democratic Party, and a policy under which the effects of racist discrimination as much as possible are felt only by the lower classes and not by the higher classes.

But the form of government we have, the bourgeois democratic republic, is based on the incapacity (given a specific combination of class forces) of the bourgeois class to rule directly without petit-bourgeois support. Meanwhile, the middle classes, especially when allied with the bourgeoisie, are much more under the sway of bourgeois ideology than the bourgeois themselves (or any other class), and those living in rural areas moreover reflect the general political backwardness of those areas; but the middle classes are also much more susceptible to the progressive leftist ideas originating in the working class. Thus the petit bourgeoisie finds itself divided on racial issues for similar reasons. The more racist element in the middle class tends to support the Republican Party, whose policy already supports their racist aims and the other conservative goals that tend to be mutually reinforcing with racism (but see below); but the more anti-racist elements in the middle class are inevitably disappointed with the limitations of bourgeois anti-racism, and wage a fight against the bourgeois party leaderships (primarily in the Democratic Party which is the preferred milieu for this social layer) to generalize anti-racist action. By the nature of bourgeois parties, they can most readily do so at the expense of other marginalized groups, women for example.

Since it is through the middle class that the bourgeoisie's political domination over the working class is organized, the backward elements of the working class trail along after the middle class ... primarily but not always on the sides of anti-racism and the left. Through its constitutional arrangements, stock market manipulation, and campaign contributions, the bourgeoisie so arranges it that in times of public complacency the conservative and racist elements maintain control, but in the face of a strong enough public rebellion they begin to give way. By doing this they attempt to channel discontent into electoral politics, thereby preventing a revolutionary upheaval that takes more radical measures against the status quo than they will countenance.

But bourgeois-conservative racial discrimination remains limited by the profit imperative. If sometimes in their counterrevolutionary zeal they lose sight, they are far less apt to do so than the middle classes and particularly the pauperized or proletarianized middle class elements that have little hope of profit under capitalism beyond rolling back history to a more primitive (less class-differentiated) level of development. It is from here that the ultraright forces demanding extremes of racism, even at the expense of profits, come.

2. That is of course the secret of success for the bourgeois left. Just as the petit-bourgeoisie is only able to take power in alliance with the bourgeoisie, so the bourgeois left is able to take power only on the condition that the balance of power is held by the center, and the center is able to take power only on the condition that the balance of power is held by the right. It is not that Obama was too weak to go up against Max Baucus and Joe Lieberman ... it is that Obama's role in the pageant, which allowed him to hold the office of the presidency, was to keep the liberals, working class, and anti-racists pacified until the bourgeoisie felt confident maneuvering through its mechanisms of political control to give the political initiative over to Baucus and Lieberman, whose role was to keep the liberals, working class, and anti-racists pacified until the bourgeoisie felt confident enough to give the political initiative over to McConnell and Boehner.

Politicians like this play a similar role vis-a-vis their plebeian-rightist opposition; the Tea Party and the right-wing component of the Trump movement are generally given the trappings of power only so their leaders can organize capitulation to the conservative elements preferred by the bourgeois mass. However, just as in the days of capitalism's leftist revolutions when the plebeian element sometimes gained the upper hand in the bourgeois government (in the phenomenon sometimes known as Jacobinism) this reflected the bourgeoisie's understanding that its precapitalist reactionary opposition could not be defeated without mobilizing the lower classes, so today the growing bourgeois understanding that eventually the bourgeois-democratic republic will fail to sustain capitalism and its profits is leading to a shift in power to the benefit of the rightists, preparing the way for the rise of ultraright and fascist elements.

3. It is politically unrealistic to expect that of any capitalist politician, particularly in the absence of a plebeian hijacking of the capitalist revolution/counterrevolution in the form of Jacobinism or fascism. The bankers, who dominate the political system by virtue of their stranglehold on the economy and the dependence of the political parties on their largesse, tell the president how it's gonna be, not the other way around. If Obama had tried to imprison them, he would most likely have been hustled out of office, by impeachment and removal on some pretext for example, and he would certainly have doomed the Democratic Party's electoral prospects as the bourgeoisie and everyone under their political sway shifted decisively toward the Republicans.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You are way too generous.

I don't grade on a curve. Lincoln gets a C+ from me. John Adams and Grant, a C. John Quincy Adams and Garfield, a C-. Washington, Van Buren, Andrew Johnson, Arthur, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft, and Eisenhower, a D+. William Henry and Benjamin Harrison, a D. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Carter, and Obama, a D-. The others, an F.


Of course they are not so much mistakes as betrayals of humanity.

Obama: ordered extrajudicial assassinations, built concentration camps and incarcerated immigrants and dissidents, otherwise restricted immigration and increased scope and use of government surveillance powers and intelligence, expanded war on Afghanistan, including expansion of the war's theater into Pakistan, said before a man's trial that he would be found guilty, started wars on Libya, ISIS, Assad's government in Syria, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and the Lord's Resistance Army, failed to codify abortion rights into law, allied with gun-banners, used homophobia and race baiting for political advantage, broke the rail workers' strike, maintained the UN, NATO, and other imperialist alliances, failed to protect Blacks and other marginalized people from voter suppression, abolish the Senate or electoral college, or otherwise democratize the political system, weaponized the IRS and DOJ quite openly against his political enemies, allied with rogue regimes such as Israel and Pakistan, organized provocative maneuvers against N. Korea including the use of food as a weapon, backed far-right movements such as Falun Gong, depleted supplies that would be needed for Covid without replenishing them, generally let the Republicans and right-wing Democrats make a punching bag out of him, particularly with regard to "Obamacare" which spent a great deal of money to allow much less improved access to health care than a much cheaper plan would have (and which made the situation of a sizable minority worse), allowed extreme concentrations of wealth even as unemployment reached peaks unseen since the Reagan administration, failed to address student loans, credit card debt, medical debt, or homelessness, and bumbled his way through the political fray while watching the right gain power in the U.S. and much of the rest of the world, culminating in the election of Trump.

Biden: broke another rail workers' strike, maintained the UN, NATO, and other imperialist alliances, failed to protect Blacks and other marginalized people from voter suppression, failed to address student loans, credit card debt, medical debt, or homelessness, failed to abolish the Senate or electoral college, or otherwise democratize the political system, failed to codify abortion rights or otherwise prevent or ameliorate the overturn of Roe v. Wade, allied with rogue regimes such as Israel and Pakistan, continued to maintain imperialist alliances such as the UN and NATO, generally let the Republicans and right-wing Democrats make a punching bag out of him, restricted immigration, resumed anti-North Korea military exercises, allowed extreme concentrations of wealth even as inflation reached peaks unseen since the Carter administration, fumbled into nuclear saber-rattling with Russia, and bumbled his way through the political fray while watching the right continue to gain power, likely paving the way for a dictatorship (quite possibly a rightist one) in the U.S. in the near future.
Wow...what a waste of time...

Obama faile to abolish the Senate and the Electoral College? No kiddin?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Yeah, except for all the evidence and testimony they have that Trump was purposely and systematically withholding and concealing documents and evidence, and the orders of magnitude larger quantity of documents that Trump wasn't supposed to have.
So it's compounded by volume you say

Is it also compounded by time? Biden had his a lot longer does that make it worse just like volume makes it worse?
 
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