Document thief Trump claims documents found at Mar-a-Lago were empty folders labeled 'classified' that he'd kept because they were 'cool'

[middleview]

Would it matter if he had thousands of them ? Or for that matter, would it matter if his aids/advisors had them ?

Sometimes these things get waaaay out of hand because of Demcrats' really bad habit of ignoring the LAW, bypassing it and essentially just inventing their own sets of "laws", so as to attack Republicans, especially Trump. The methodology seems to be the hell with what is legal or not. If Dems can go judge-shopping (as they have been doing for decades) and fit a charge against Trump into a totally biased against him courtroom, they will prevail, regardless of the legalities.

Trump once said regarding having presidential record documents, that he could do so if he wanted to. He's right.

Section 2205 (3) of the Presidential Records Act (USC 44 Ch 22) clearly says >>> "(3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President's designated representative."

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim

Not only is Trump entitled to possess the documents, but so are anyone whom he designates (Mark Meadows, Rudy Guiliani, etc)

Available does not mean he was entitled to take them from the White House and keep them in spite of having been notified by the archivist that he needed to surrender those documents...A judge agreed and issued a subpoena because Trump kept documents and intended to ignore those repeated requests.

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
§ 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records
(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

 

[middleview]

"I had no clue they were in my garage office and library"

How many documents are we talking about from Biden's garage? Is it 5 or 6? Trump's were in his f*cking desk and he now says they were his, they were declassified because anything he took out of the WH were automatically declassified when he took them....
Trump had something like 30 boxes and about 1,000 pages marked classified.

Read the law. Intent to take and keep them makes it illegal. He violated both the Presidential Records act and the Espionage act.

Grand jury in Trump classified documents case expected to meet this coming week after hiatus (msn.com)

 

[EatTheRich]

Different? No. The only ones making that claim are the Biden Human Shields.

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When there is physical evidence that Biden deliberately purloined them, lied to investigators about them, concealed them from law enforcement, and showed them to unauthorized people, it’ll be the same.

 

[middleview]

Different? No. The only ones making that claim are the Biden Human Shields.

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Really? How many documents were found at Biden's home and office? Was it a dozen?
Did the Biden staff contact NARA to tell them "Hey, we have some documents to turn over to you" or did NARA have to get a subpoena?

Biden has stated that he did not know the documents were in boxes in his office nor at his home. They had been accidentally moved and were returned as soon as they were found.

Trump has stated that he knew they'd been taken, refused to return them for over a year, lied about having returned all documents and had to be served with a subpoena to allow the FBI to search Mag-A-Lardo. There were 35 boxes of documents, including over 100 documents marked classified or top secret.

 

[PhilFish]

How many documents are we talking about from Biden's garage? Is it 5 or 6? Trump's were in his f*cking desk and he now says they were his, they were declassified because anything he took out of the WH were automatically declassified when he took them....
Trump had something like 30 boxes and about 1,000 pages marked classified.

Read the law. Intent to take and keep them makes it illegal. He violated both the Presidential Records act and the Espionage act.

Grand jury in Trump classified documents case expected to meet this coming week after hiatus (msn.com)

Ah so volume is the key you say, not the law?

 

[middleview]

Ah so volume is the key you say, not the law?

I pointed out the differences. A few pages is easier to miss than 35 boxes...AND
the law clearly states INTENT is key to a finding of a crime.

 

[PhilFish]

I pointed out the differences. A few pages is easier to miss than 35 boxes...AND
the law clearly states INTENT is key to a finding of a crime.

Ok.

Perhaps biden's intent was to say he didn't mean to, when he did

Perhaps trump's intent was to say he understood he could declassify the docs.

In any event.. I'll forestall the usual. I hope Trump is jailed...

 

[middleview]

Ok.

Perhaps biden's intent was to say he didn't mean to, when he did

Perhaps trump's intent was to say he understood he could declassify the docs.

In any event.. I'll forestall the usual. I hope Trump is jailed...

"Perhaps" is not evidence.

 

[PhilFish]

"Perhaps" is not evidence.

Is intent?

 

[middleview]

Is intent?

Intent is what Trump admitted.

 

[PhilFish]

Intent is what Trump admitted.

Yes. Look let's not go in circles. I think what he did was wrong.

Has presidential authority to unilaterally declassify documents been successfully adjudicated in court? If yes .please cite.

If no.then my point holds

 

[middleview]

Yes. Look let's not go in circles. I think what he did was wrong.

Has presidential authority to unilaterally declassify documents been successfully adjudicated in court? If yes .please cite.

If no.then my point holds

Really? He lied. He claimed he could declassify documents by merely thinking he had...

NARA sent instructions to the WH on how to declassify docs. I read those instructions when I got my clearance...

He admitted to having taken docs that, by law, should have been turned over to NARA.

 

[bdtex]

The great BOXES HOAX. lmao!

 

[middleview]

Yes. Look let's not go in circles. I think what he did was wrong.

Has presidential authority to unilaterally declassify documents been successfully adjudicated in court? If yes .please cite.

If no.then my point holds

So now the pool at Mag-a-Lardo was drained into the room where the video servers were and now it seems that security camera video was lost....curious?

 

[PhilFish]

Really? He lied. He claimed he could declassify documents by merely thinking he had...

NARA sent instructions to the WH on how to declassify docs. I read those instructions when I got my clearance...

He admitted to having taken docs that, by law, should have been turned over to NARA.

Again, the matter of unilateral declassification by a president has not yet been litigated. All I'm saying is we'll have to wait until it's adjudicated in a court. I know exactly what he said and I don't agree with what he did

 

[PhilFish]

So now the pool at Mag-a-Lardo was drained into the room where the video servers were and now it seems that security camera video was lost....curious?

Did the pool water have bit bleach in it?

 

[middleview]

Again, the matter of unilateral declassification by a president has not yet been litigated. All I'm saying is we'll have to wait until it's adjudicated in a court. I know exactly what he said and I don't agree with what he did

I don't dispute that the president can declassify documents. I am aware of the procedure for doing so and thinking they are declassified would not qualify as any acceptable part of the procedure.

Every document is stamped with the classification. If declassified then the classification stamp is crossed out and the record of the document is updated in the federal data base so that anyone else printing the document would then have the current classification printed on it.

If what Trump suggested were true, there would be no value at all in recording classification...

 

[PhilFish]

I don't dispute that the president can declassify documents. I am aware of the procedure for doing so and thinking they are declassified would not qualify as any acceptable part of the procedure.

Every document is stamped with the classification. If declassified then the classification stamp is crossed out and the record of the document is updated in the federal data base so that anyone else printing the document would then have the current classification printed on it.

If what Trump suggested were true, there would be no value at all in recording classification...

Yes. Let us wait n see

 

[TBLee]

Yes. Let us wait n see

Nah…..many don’t want to wait and see.

 

[Dawg]

Nah…..many don’t want to wait and see.

Remember how "cops acted stupidly" turned out.........
Leftist don't opine on classified document behind the Corvette or at office at Penn.