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Does ANYONE believe that Trump won the 2020 election?

Bugsy McGurk

President
That’s his key lie, right? His Big Lie.

And I know many Trump cultists pretend to believe his Big Lie, but do you REALLY believe something that flies in the face of all available evidence?

Will ANYONE go on record claiming they believe Trump actually won the 2020 election?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
He almost certainly won the vote total of those who cast their own vote. We need to outlaw "ballot harvesting." That ain't democracy...
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
C’mon now…surely there must be SOMEONE who will support Trump on this and unequivocally say he won the 2020 election, but it was stolen from him.

Anybody? Somebody?
 

Boltlady

Mayor
C’mon now…surely there must be SOMEONE who will support Trump on this and unequivocally say he won the 2020 election, but it was stolen from him.

Anybody? Somebody?
Of course I believe it because he did and it was.

This country would have been in much better shape if that had been allowed to stand. The number of people that would have been exposed for their corruption would have been staggering. As it is a lot of cats are out of the bag. We need more to be able to stop the destruction of this country before it's beyond hope for salvation.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Of course I believe it because he did and it was.

This country would have been in much better shape if that had been allowed to stand. The number of people that would have been exposed for their corruption would have been staggering. As it is a lot of cats are out of the bag. We need more to be able to stop the destruction of this country before it's beyond hope for salvation.
I’m sure you know that 60+ lawsuits designed to prove the “corruption” failed. And Trump’s own senior law enforcement and election security people concluded that there was nothing to Trump’s “fraud” claims. There is just no evidence to support the claim that Trump won the numerous swing states that gave the electoral victory to Biden (along with 7 million more popular votes).

But somehow you claim to be convinced that Trump was the actual winner. How do you manage to convince yourself that Trump won the swing states in question, not Biden? Do you have any evidence of that, or do you choose to believe it despite the absence of evidence?
 

Boltlady

Mayor
I’m sure you know that 60+ lawsuits designed to prove the “corruption” failed. And Trump’s own senior law enforcement and election security people concluded that there was nothing to Trump’s “fraud” claims. There is just no evidence to support the claim that Trump won the numerous swing states that gave the electoral victory to Biden (along with 7 million more popular votes).

But somehow you claim to be convinced that Trump was the actual winner. How do you manage to convince yourself that Trump won the swing states in question, not Biden? Do you have any evidence of that, or do you choose to believe it despite the absence of evidence?
ISSUE

A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
 

EatTheRich

President
ISSUE

A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
We are aware of all the Trump supporters prosecuted for listening to Trump and voting twice.
 

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
C’mon now…surely there must be SOMEONE who will support Trump on this and unequivocally say he won the 2020 election, but it was stolen from him.

Anybody? Somebody?
There's very few that fell for all of Trump's lies willing to admit they were duped, big time.
 

RepubBub

Council Member

The best and the brightest couldn’t even prove it.

But we got lonely rural armchair investigators with their plethora of blogs otherwise known as “evidence” to save the country.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
ISSUE

A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
The question is not whether you can find generic screeds from right wing kooks like the Heritage Foundation about isolated instances of voter fraud.

The question is why you conclude that Trump truthfully says he won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him. That requires evidence that the outcome in six key states was corrupted by fraud and Trump really got more votes in those states. You provide no such evidence for any of those six states.

Let’s make it easy and limit it to one state. Let’s see your evidence leading you to conclude that Trump really won Georgia but it was stolen from him.

Good luck.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
There's very few that fell for all of Trump's lies willing to admit they were duped, big time.
Some of the deplorables know Trump is lying but they just don’t care. The challenge here is finding any winger who can show that they believe in good faith that Trump was the real winner but it was stolen from him.

So far, no dice.
 

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
Some of the deplorables know Trump is lying but they just don’t care. The challenge here is finding any winger who can show that they believe in good faith that Trump was the real winner but it was stolen from him.

So far, no dice.
What really bugs me is the DC politicians knew he was lying as well.
Many now leaving the political scene are speaking out about Trump's lies.
Proving exactly the cowards... they were then, loving their power more than their oaths and country.
 

Boltlady

Mayor
The question is not whether you can find generic screeds from right wing kooks like the Heritage Foundation about isolated instances of voter fraud.

The question is why you conclude that Trump truthfully says he won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him. That requires evidence that the outcome in six key states was corrupted by fraud and Trump really got more votes in those states. You provide no such evidence for any of those six states.

Let’s make it easy and limit it to one state. Let’s see your evidence leading you to conclude that Trump really won Georgia but it was stolen from him.

Good luck.
It really wouldn't matter what I might say or show if it isn't an agreement with you and your ilk.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
It really wouldn't matter what I might say or show if it isn't an agreement with you and your ilk.
Such a lame copout. If you had the evidence I asked for - about Georgia or any other state - you would provide it. Instead, you dodge it and just insist that Trump won.

The only reasonable conclusion is that you know Trump is lying, but you don’t care. You are good with his Big Lie. And that’s deplorable
 

Boltlady

Mayor
Such a lame copout. If you had the evidence I asked for - about Georgia or any other state - you would provide it. Instead, you dodge it and just insist that Trump won.

The only reasonable conclusion is that you know Trump is lying, but you don’t care. You are good with his Big Lie. And that’s deplorable
There are many who still believe that Hillary won in 2016, including Hillary. Do you call them deplorable?
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
There are many who still believe that Hillary won in 2016, including Hillary. Do you call them deplorable?
Absurd. I know of no one who said that. But your effort to change the subject is very lame.

Bottom line - you have no evidence that Trump was the actual winner of any of the six key states - not one - but you still support Trump’s Big Lie claiming that he won the election but it was stolen from him. And that’s deplorable.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
ISSUE

A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

It actually demonstrates that people who try get caught. Nobody said there was no fraud. What is clear is that it is a tiny number.

1,271 convictions....out of 155 million votes.

Among the examples in the Heritage document are a case from 1948 (when Harry S. Truman beat Thomas Dewey) and a case from 1972 (when Richard Nixon defeated George McGovern). Only 105 of its 749 cases came from within the past five years.

Analysis: Heritage Foundation's Database Undermines Claims of Recent Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
There are many who still believe that Hillary won in 2016, including Hillary. Do you call them deplorable?
Hillary won more votes than Trump. The argument is about the Electoral College...not that there was voter fraud...although Trump did claim he won the popular vote and formed a commission to investigate...headed by Pence.
 

RepubBub

Council Member
Hillary won more votes than Trump. The argument is about the Electoral College...not that there was voter fraud...although Trump did claim he won the popular vote and formed a commission to investigate...headed by Pence.
The amount I lost by must be illegals!!!
 
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