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DOW destroying 401k's like Russians destroying Ukrainian cities....PJ mouthy pundits, silent.

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Who owns the fire department? The public(aka the workers)
Who owns the public schools? The public(aka the workers)
Run down and demand to drive the fire trucks
Run down and walk into school with a GUN

So why are people on trial for going to the white house if owned by public(workers) as you claiming?
 
Of which you've never worked either
Load ya GUNs
Don't you know how Stalinist Russia went?
Russia Farmer: I like farming
Stalin: don't care, we are moving into the future, you work in the steel mill now.
Farmer: f*ck that, don't steal my cow
Stalin: steel mill or gulag, you choose, farming is not an option.
 
Run down and demand to drive the fire trucks
Run down and walk into school with a GUN

So why are people on trial for going to the white house if owned by public(workers) as you claiming?
I don't know what people you are talking about. You will have to be more specific.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Don't you know how Stalinist Russia went?
Russia Farmer: I like farming
Stalin: don't care, we are moving into the future, you work in the steel mill now.
Farmer: f*ck that, don't steal my cow
Stalin: steel mill or gulag, you choose, farming is not an option.
Must be Mushrooms
 

EatTheRich

President
In each instance.... In exchange for what?
An excellent question. The very lack of advanced capitalist development that enabled the first socialist countries to leapfrog over those countries with more to dismantle and become the first to embrace socialism took its toll in the form of continuing backwardness that socialist construction isolated from the mainstream of world economy was insufficient to overcome, and counterrevolutionary political struggles that crystallized this backwardness. In the examples given above they took the form of

Russia: the self-determination and equitable treatment for all nationalities pioneered by Lenin (already breached during the Civil War with such programs as decossackization) were sharply reversed and the old Czarist-era policies of Great Russian chauvinism and antisemitism revived. Likewise, Leninist feminism was pushed back by a revival of patriarchy and Leninist democratization by the restoration of capitalist-era autocracy. In all cases, these reactionary political currents were magnified by a state increased in size and power by the conflux of an immature socialism highly dependent on technical expertise and by the intense class struggle to what amounted to industrial replication of oppression on a scale impossible for the less socioeconomically advanced countries (a pattern repeated in all the other socialist countries). Secret police terror, the horrors of the gulag system, and agricultural backwardness (eventually coupled with industrial backwardness as the Stalinist regime retarded the development of socialist industry) contributed to decades of misery despite the tremendous boost the revolution gave to productivity and living standards. The eventual restoration of capitalism was the culmination of backwardness’s revenge on progress and led to a further intensification of censorship and repression and to skyrocketing poverty.
China: backwardness took the forms of ongoing high illiteracy, a Byzantine maze of bureaucratic dictatorship, vicious repression, slave labor, concentration camps, and ongoing exploitation of workers and peasants including the 2nd-deadliest famine and 2nd-biggest mass killing in China’s history. The increase in living standards for hundreds of millions came at the expense of tens of millions more who were left behind. The backwardness, class contradictions, and counterrevolutionary dictatorship conspired to result in the eventual restoration of a predominately capitalist economy, although due to the huge advance in industrialization under socialism and the world’s consequent dependence on the Chinese market, and to the continued existence of a large socialist sector, this did not yet have the negative effects on the standard of living seen in places like Russia.
Cuba: Cuba paid the price in terms of continued industrial backwardness, low-quality housing, chronic shortages of consumer items, and abuses such as censorship, one-party elections, and in the worst few years slave labor in concentration camps. Cubans also paid the price by being the country hit harder by terrorism than any other country besides Israel and Nicaragua. The collapse of the Soviet Union which had allowed Cuba to develop relatively rapidly and freely led to a harsh economic crisis during which some of the evils of capitalist Cuba, such as prostitution, began to reappear, and to a retreat toward capitalist values and methods that have led to an ossification of dictatorial government and bigger class differentiation.
North Korea: the country suffered terribly from being bombed, its villages strafed, its best and brightest decimated by war. A harsh dictatorship with brutal torture, concentration camps, and extremely strict censorship were put in place, accompanied by an inherited caste system, and the self-serving and foolish decisions of the rulers led to a sharp reversal of the country’s early economic dynamism and eventually to a series of food crises as the country threatened to collapse back into capitalism.
East Germany: low-quality housing l, consumer shortages, and harsh dictatorship led to an inability to resist assimilation to the German Federal Republic, which imposed further austerities leading to big rises in unemployment and poverty and to the reemergence of homelessness.
Albania: the country remained backward, isolated, and subject to harsh secret police measures. Factories were inefficiently based on primitive technology. Much of the wealth accumulated by the workers under socialism was robbed from them by officials of the government of capitalist restoration, which of course restored taxation as well.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
An excellent question. The very lack of advanced capitalist development that enabled the first socialist countries to leapfrog over those countries with more to dismantle and become the first to embrace socialism took its toll in the form of continuing backwardness that socialist construction isolated from the mainstream of world economy was insufficient to overcome, and counterrevolutionary political struggles that crystallized this backwardness. In the examples given above they took the form of

Russia: the self-determination and equitable treatment for all nationalities pioneered by Lenin (already breached during the Civil War with such programs as decossackization) were sharply reversed and the old Czarist-era policies of Great Russian chauvinism and antisemitism revived. Likewise, Leninist feminism was pushed back by a revival of patriarchy and Leninist democratization by the restoration of capitalist-era autocracy. In all cases, these reactionary political currents were magnified by a state increased in size and power by the conflux of an immature socialism highly dependent on technical expertise and by the intense class struggle to what amounted to industrial replication of oppression on a scale impossible for the less socioeconomically advanced countries (a pattern repeated in all the other socialist countries). Secret police terror, the horrors of the gulag system, and agricultural backwardness (eventually coupled with industrial backwardness as the Stalinist regime retarded the development of socialist industry) contributed to decades of misery despite the tremendous boost the revolution gave to productivity and living standards. The eventual restoration of capitalism was the culmination of backwardness’s revenge on progress and led to a further intensification of censorship and repression and to skyrocketing poverty.
China: backwardness took the forms of ongoing High illiteracy, a Byzantine maze of bureaucratic dictatorship, vicious repression, slave labor, concentration camps, and ongoing exploitation of workers and peasants including the 2nd-deadliest famine and 2nd-biggest mass killing in China’s history. The increase in living standards for hundreds of millions came at the expense of tens of millions more who were left behind. The backwardness, class contradictions, and counterrevolutionary dictatorship conspired to result in the eventual restoration of a predominately capitalist economy, although due to the huge advance in industrialization under socialism and the world’s consequent dependence on the Chinese market, and to the continued existence of a large socialist sector, this did not yet have the negative effects on the standard of living seen in places like Russia.
Cuba: Cuba paid the price in terms of continued industrial backwardness, low-quality housing, chronic shortages of consumer items, and abuses such as censorship, one-party elections, and in the worst few years slave labor in concentration camps. Cubans also paid the price by being the country hit harder by terrorism than any other country besides Israel and Nicaragua. The collapse of the Soviet Union which had allowed Cuba to develop relatively rapidly and freely led to a harsh economic crisis during which some of the evils of capitalist Cuba, such as prostitution, began to reappear, and to a retreat toward capitalist values and methods that have led to an ossification of dictatorial government and bigger class differentiation.
North Korea: the country suffered terribly from being bombed, its villages strafed, its best and brightest decimated by war. A harsh dictatorship with brutal torture, concentration camps, and extremely strict censorship were put in place, accompanied by an inherited caste system, and the self-serving and foolish decisions of the rulers led to a sharp reversal of the country’s early economic dynamism and eventually to a series of food crises as the country threatened to collapse back into capitalism.
East Germany: low-quality housing l, consumer shortages, and harsh dictatorship led to an inability to resist assimilation to the German Federal Republic, which imposed further austerities leading to big rises in unemployment and poverty and to the reemergence of homelessness.
Albania: the country remained backward, isolated, and subject to harsh secret police measures. Factories were inefficiently based on primitive technology. Much of the wealth accumulated by the workers under socialism was robbed from them by officials of the government of capitalist restoration, which of course restored taxation as well.
So...the success of capitalism and the failure of socialism which asits doctrine holds that all must be kept equally depressed and uninspired.

Yes. Precisely
 

SW48

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Supporting Member
Curious if Bugsy is making daily posts about the stock market?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Curious if Bugsy is making daily posts about the stock market?
was watching some good softball recently and was thinking about you. how's that going?

i think i was watching womens...NC v Florida or some such...
 

SW48

Administrator
Staff member
Supporting Member
was watching some good softball recently and was thinking about you. how's that going?

i think i was watching womens...NC v Florida or some such...
I am on the slowpitch side men's and women's. Going great but ridiculously busy.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Curious if Bugsy is making daily posts about the stock market?
Why would I do that? I never make daily posts about the market, whether up or down.

I did start a thread about the down market and the effect of raising interest rates. It got little interest. Trolling prevails. Again.
 

EatTheRich

President
So...the success of capitalism and the failure of socialism which asits doctrine holds that all must be kept equally depressed and uninspired.

Yes. Precisely
An ideologically driven analysis that ignores the specifically capitalist elements of the backwardness and counterrevolution in the socialist states, and the specific concrete advances of the general welfare by socialist revolution.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
An ideologically driven analysis that ignores the specifically capitalist elements of the backwardness and counterrevolution in the socialist states, and the specific concrete advances of the general welfare by socialist revolution.
no, an ideology free, reality based analysis of the failure of socialism, as evidenced by..the failure of socialism... everywhere.
 
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